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Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

Absolutely. But extremists are a small segment of our electorate, and they vote for their team even when their team disappoints them. That's why we often mistakenly refer to extremists as "the base".

The left seem to have a lot of extremists. Just sayin'.
 
If we want to start paying down debt without re-crashing the economy, we need a balanced approach of tax increases and spending cuts across the board. Avoid hitting any one area too hard.
 
2 months off but close enough. . . . . . .

Gallup: Voter opposition to Obama at 16-year high, worse than Bush, Clinton
Gallup: Voter opposition to Obama at 16-year high, worse than Bush, Clinton | WashingtonExaminer.com

Angry and frustrated voters are planning to use the midterm elections in one month to tell President Obama they oppose his agenda, the highest “no” vote percentage Gallup has measured in the past 16 years.

The polling outfit found that 32 percent of voters want to send a message of opposition with their vote, compared to just 20 percent who are sending a signal of support.

That is 13 points higher than in 1998 when former President Clinton was headed to impeachment for lying about his sex affair with a former White House intern and even a smidge higher — 2 points — than in 2008, when Americans were tired of President Bush’s military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

funny thing. the topic was about the present . what IS he polling at NOW?


The only poll that really counts is the election. We won. We took Congress. THAT'S the present.

Case closed.
 
The only taxes that should be raised are gas taxes, as the sharp decrease in oil and gas prices means drivers can afford an extra 25 cents per gallon to fix highways, bridges, and tunnels.

I don't totally disagree, but that tax burden does tend to fall on the poor and middle class a little harder than on the wealthy.

I would though, support a higher gas tax, if it was offset or at least partially offset with the bottom three income tax brackets having a substantial rate decrease. This should actually be acceptable to most everyone. Those on the far right should like it because it would still increase taxes on the 47% that they despise so much and refer to as "tax slackers", it should appease the tree hugers (who coincidentially also happen to mostly be on the far left) for obvious reasons, and it should be appealing to the solidly middle class and upper middle class.

Politicallly, it would seem to be a win-win-win proposition, but nearly everyone has this kneedjerk reaction to it. I think it's mostly because the price of gas is in our face every day. No product is more price competitive than gas, which is evidenced by the fact that every gas station has a huge $100,000 sign advertising gas prices.
 
2 months off but close enough. . . . . . .


Gallup: Voter opposition to Obama at 16-year high, worse than Bush, Clinton
Gallup: Voter opposition to Obama at 16-year high, worse than Bush, Clinton | WashingtonExaminer.com

Angry and frustrated voters are planning to use the midterm elections in one month to tell President Obama they oppose his agenda, the highest “no” vote percentage Gallup has measured in the past 16 years.

The polling outfit found that 32 percent of voters want to send a message of opposition with their vote, compared to just 20 percent who are sending a signal of support.

That is 13 points higher than in 1998 when former President Clinton was headed to impeachment for lying about his sex affair with a former White House intern and even a smidge higher — 2 points — than in 2008, when Americans were tired of President Bush’s military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Isn't it interesting how partisan hack authors can spin the same poll in any direction that they wish?
 
Isn't it interesting how partisan hack authors can spin the same poll in any direction that they wish?

As the saying goes, the only poll that really counts is the election. We took Congress. We won.
 
In 1965 a new car cost around $2500. In 2015 it costs around $20000

Inflation, ever heard of it? People who attended school past the 4th grade usually analyze these things in either constant year $s, or in % of gdp. Maybe you can try as well.





Now with that said, do you also like making #'s up?
Historical Tables | The White House

I certainly have but can you please explain with 50 states, and thousands of local communities why do we need the govt. to spend 20% of GDP most of it on social programs and debt service? Do you have any idea what your various taxes were created to fund?
 
Eliminate the department of transportation and I am running surpluses. What exactly are you willing to eliminate and how would you pay for the difference?

Wrong, the department of Transportation is much less than 200 billion dollars
 
Well, I agree for the most part with the exception of not seeing people of principle having a backbone as extreme. (I say this for both sides)

I think it is a mistake also to look at the middle as a compromise between the two "extremes" as you put it rather than a position of its own, fighting its own battle and unfortunately winning. It's called the state quo.

I guess the reason that the status quo is the status quo is because we made it like it is because we desire it to be like it is. Status quo isn't necessarily a bad thing, at least when it's a good thing.

Sometimes I get accused of being a class warrior, but that really befuddles me because I'm not a radical at all. Our income distribution system isn't terribly out of whack with the system we have (mostly because we DO have a progressive income tax system), and all I desire to do is to fine tune it to the point that all income classes grow in income at more or less the same rate, like they did in the "good ole days".
 
If we want to start paying down debt without re-crashing the economy, we need a balanced approach of tax increases and spending cuts across the board. Avoid hitting any one area too hard.

Yup, but no one really wants to start paying down the debt. There is no need.
 
I guess the reason that the status quo is the status quo is because we made it like it is because we desire it to be like it is. Status quo isn't necessarily a bad thing, at least when it's a good thing.

Sometimes I get accused of being a class warrior, but that really befuddles me because I'm not a radical at all. Our income distribution system isn't terribly out of whack with the system we have (mostly because we DO have a progressive income tax system), and all I desire to do is to fine tune it to the point that all income classes grow in income at more or less the same rate, like they did in the "good ole days".

instead of this political nonsense, reform the tax code so everyone gets what they want.

republicans can get their lower rates and dem's can get their special tax cuts and breaks for lower income people.
everyone should be happy.
 
That's absolutely true.

But where I get frustrated with Obummer is that he isn't offering middle class tax cuts. If he would have proposed a combo deal, like cutting the bottom three tax rate and "paying for it" by increasing capital gains or other taxes that tend to hit the rich harder, I would have been more supportive.

Wow, has liberalism done a number on you, why do tax cuts have to be paid for? Do you believe you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to the govt? What kind of accounting puts tax cuts as an expense?
 
The only poll that really counts is the election. We won. We took Congress. THAT'S the present.

Case closed.

And Romney is POTUS? Wow, I mustuv missed sompin.
 
Is the dollar worth today what it was in 1965?

And did we have as many retirees in 1965 as we do today? I may be wrong, but I suspect that most of the growth in government spending since then, in terms of percent of GDP, has been in SS and Medicare. So do you think that we should screw our old folks?


Of course not but the question remains why is it the Federal Government's responsibility to pay 20% of our GDP for the bloated Federal Govt? Why is SS and Medicare on budget in the first place?
 
Wow, has liberalism done a number on you, why do tax cuts have to be paid for? Do you believe you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to the govt? What kind of accounting puts tax cuts as an expense?

No, it must be conservatives who rubbed off on me. Remember, liberals don't care about the budget deficit.
 
I certainly have but can you please explain with 50 states, and thousands of local communities why do we need the govt. to spend 20% of GDP most of it on social programs and debt service?

Because people elected representatives and senators on platforms to enact or keep those programs?



PS, got any "proof" of your persistent 35 year crusade against fed spending at 20% of GDP?
 
Easiest way to boost revenues is to widen the tax base through a simplification of the tax code.

Unfortunately, Obama is more interested in wedge issues than actually boosting revenues.
 
(chuckle)

"Class warfare"... When are you guys going to give up on the memes.

The new taxes are long overdue and I look forward to their attention, however, just because Obama says he's gonna do it doesn't make it so.

In the liberal world there never is enough govt. enough taxes and enough money to social engineer
 
had to dig this one back up. Too funny

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Wrong, the department of Transportation is much less than 200 billion dollars

The apparently you are unaware of what the current deficit is despite all your blather. Cutting half of the military budget and then adding $200B create a budget surplus. Very rich considering you were being a jerk acting like I am the one who knows nothing of the federal budget and spending. :lamo
 
instead of this political nonsense, reform the tax code so everyone gets what they want.

I thought that was what I was proposing

republicans can get their lower rates and dem's can get their special tax cuts and breaks for lower income people.
everyone should be happy.

I really don't know that dems care so much about special tax breaks for the poor. Remember, the poor don't pay taxes anyhow.
 
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