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Obama to call for new tax increases in State of the Union address

TurtleDude said:
encouraging class warfare, dependency on government handouts and bloated government is the real recipe for disaster-not the lack of collectivist income redistribution that the socialist left always clamors for so they can pretend they are helping the failures while dipping their beaks into the stream of confiscated wealth and gaining wealth and power from the votes of those given the money of other
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Confiscated wealth? Did you look at the charts? 99% of people are more productive than ever, work longer hours, and their share in the wealth being generated is less and less. All of the gains in the economy are going to the top 1%. They own the majority of the capital, and it's dangerous because it leads to the "too big to fail" mentality. If they go down, all the capital tied up in the banks and entire economy goes down, so we bail them out. That is a form wealth redistribution.
 
SheWolf said:
Confiscated wealth? Did you look at the charts? 99% of people are more productive than ever, work longer hours, and their share in the wealth being generated is less and less. All of the gains in the economy are going to the top 1%. They own the majority of the capital, and it's dangerous because it leads to the "too big to fail" mentality. If they go down, all the capital tied up in the banks and entire economy goes down, so we bail them out. That is a form wealth redistribution.
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do you know why? because of investment. I make far more than I spend even with the outrageous taxes I pay. so I invest half my income each year. and yes, each year I am generally wealthier than I was the year before

why do I have a duty to pay more taxes when I already pay far far more than what I use
 
US Conservative said:
Socialists love that sort of thing, its a way to redistribute wealth, isn't it?
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I Love how with you guys....whenever tax cuts favor the working/middle class it is "Wealth Redistribution"
When tax cuts favor the wealthy its "allowing them to keep more of their money".

Can you be any more shallow?
 
disneydude said:
I Love how with you guys....whenever tax cuts favor the working/middle class it is "Wealth Redistribution"
When tax cuts favor the wealthy its "allowing them to keep more of their money".

Can you be any more shallow?
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only if you believe all wealth belongs to the government can you claim that taking less from those who already pay more than what they use is no different than allowing those who don't pay for what they use, pay less is the same
 
disneydude said:
I Love how with you guys....whenever tax cuts favor the working/middle class it is "Wealth Redistribution"
When tax cuts favor the wealthy its "allowing them to keep more of their money".

Can you be any more shallow?
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I want everyone to keep as much as they earn as possible. :2wave:
 
US Conservative said:
I want everyone to keep as much as they earn as possible. :2wave:
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Yes....because enjoying all that America offers should be free and paying back to a country that enables you to enjoy the way of life we do should not be necessary......
 
US Conservative said:
I want everyone to keep as much as they earn as possible. :2wave:
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And yet they think that is "greedy"..

disneydude said:
Yes....because enjoying all that America offers should be free and paying back to a country that enables you to enjoy the way of life we do should not be necessary......
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Ever stop to think make not that we are taxing to little but spending and offering too much?

Plus who is giving out billions in benefits to illegals? Yet refuses to secure the border?
 
SheWolf said:
The people at the top of Wall Street aren't very exceptional. They blew up the economy, were bailed out by the tax payers, and none of them were fired. They continue to lobby everybody in DC, and they are creating another economic bubble as we speak.
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Really? They did all that and got even richer, that sounds very exceptional skills at debating and politics to me..
 
TerryOfromCA said:
Many of today's rich were yesterday's middle class, and even poor. That's the part that liberals always leave out: Mobility.

If a rich guy today was born into poverty, then God bless him, and let him enjoy the fruits of his success.

Liberals are all about envy. Its very ugly.
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It sounds so good but alas even that part of the American dream is slipping from our grasp. 41% of the wealthy are children who had wealthy parents. Wealth begets wealth in our society and the very rich are the last people that need compounding, passive, unearned streams of income but they are the ones that have the most of it.
Yet another reason that money should be taxed as income. It's not like they still won't be the very rich.

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Conservative said:
Taking from the top end to redistribute to the lower classes doesn't benefit anyone especially since it is the Govt. doing the redistribution. Too much waste, fraud, and abuse of our taxdollars to do any good and per Obama this tax on the rich will generate 32 billion dollars a year enough to run out govt. for a couple days and certainly a waste of money and effort. Let the rich spend their dollars, invest their dollars, save their dollars the way they want without govt. intervention. That is the American way where neighbor helps neighbor and nothing defines the Federal Govt. as that neighbor.
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We took it from the bottom and gave it to the top; no reason that reversing the process should be off the table.
 
disneydude said:
Yes....because enjoying all that America offers should be free and paying back to a country that enables you to enjoy the way of life we do should not be necessary......
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I didn't say free-there is a bare minimum of taxation needed to legitimate purposes (roads, military, etc).
Note this does not include failed lefty "programs" that never deliver. :2wave:
 
AmericanSpartan said:
And yet they think that is "greedy"..



Ever stop to think make not that we are taxing to little but spending and offering too much?

Plus who is giving out billions in benefits to illegals? Yet refuses to secure the border?
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Right. Taking from everyone by force=not greedy. Wanting everyone to keep what they earn=greedy.
More lefty logic.
 
disneydude said:
Yes....because enjoying all that America offers should be free and paying back to a country that enables you to enjoy the way of life we do should not be necessary......
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you seem to think people who work hard, save and invest somehow have a duty to pay far more than what they get, while others should have their government services subsidized by people like me

I pay over 400K in income taxes. that is more income taxes than millions upon millions of Americans will ever pay collectively in their life time. what benefits do I get that they do not?
 
upsideguy said:
We took it from the bottom and gave it to the top; no reason that reversing the process should be off the table.
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where do you come up with this crap? then top 1% pay more income taxes in a year than the bottom 25% will pay in a century
 
A quick question to these whom support additional income taxes levied...

How does removing more money from the economy benefit anyone?..be as specific as possible in answering
 
iguanaman said:
It sounds so good but alas even that part of the American dream is slipping from our grasp. 41% of the wealthy are children who had wealthy parents. Wealth begets wealth in our society and the very rich are the last people that need compounding, passive, unearned streams of income but they are the ones that have the most of it.
Yet another reason that money should be taxed as income. It's not like they still won't be the very rich.

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People who spew the crap you spew are why I advocate people be well armed. Your attitude is that the wealth of other should be confiscated or stolen because those people don't "need" what they have. You basically advocate government imposed theft and looting

its like saying because you don't work hard enough to have a car-anyone who owns 2-3 cars should have one taken from them because they "don't need three cars" and you need one

that sort of attitude is disgusting IMHO and is nothing more than parasitic nonsense

if you NEED something you ought to work hard enough to BUY it rather than demand someone smarter, more industrious, talented OR YES Luckier than you are give it to you
 
TerryOfromCA said:
Many of today's rich were yesterday's middle class, and even poor. That's the part that liberals always leave out: Mobility.

If a rich guy today was born into poverty, then God bless him, and let him enjoy the fruits of his success.

Liberals are all about envy. Its very ugly.
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LOL.....that is a myth that has been sold to the middle and working classes in order to get them to work hard so that the upper classes can continue to prosper. It is next to impossible for someone born into poverty to work their way up to the 1%. It is difficult enough for them to raise themselves out of poverty. Statistics just don't bear this out. You either are gullible enough to accept it or are just perpetuating the myth.
 
disneydude said:
LOL.....that is a myth that has been sold to the middle and working classes in order to get them to work hard so that the upper classes can continue to prosper. It is next to impossible for someone born into poverty to work their way up to the 1%. It is difficult enough for them to raise themselves out of poverty. Statistics just don't bear this out. You either are gullible enough to accept it or are just perpetuating the myth.
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and all I will note is so what

I don't owe you anything merely because my family before me worked hard, saved, and invested wisely.
 
Thrilla said:
A quick question to these whom support additional income taxes levied...

How does removing more money from the economy benefit anyone?..be as specific as possible in answering
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The easiest way to answer your question is to look at the history of tax cuts. Tax cuts to the middle/working classes tend to benefit the economy more, because they are more likely to spend the money thus stimulating the economy. This isn't true with tax cuts to the wealthy who already have more than they spend.
 
TurtleDude said:
and all I will note is so what

I don't owe you anything merely because my family before me worked hard, saved, and invested wisely.
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I would disagree. The history of America has always been that those who have benefited the most pay back more.
 
TurtleDude said:
and all I will note is so what

I don't owe you anything merely because my family before me worked hard, saved, and invested wisely.
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LOL....so **** those who are living in poverty.....let them eat cake, right?
 
disneydude said:
LOL....so **** those who are living in poverty.....let them eat cake, right?
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I don't care what they eat but I'll be damned if people like you steal from my table in order to buy the votes of those too lazy to feed themselves
 
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