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Family Outraged After North Miami Beach Police Use Mug Shots as Shooting Targets

Not sure with Miami Beach PD but many cops purchase rounds and targets themselves. Wager this started with the motivating factor being a cheap alternative to buying targets. The target was a printout from a normal printer (8.5 X 11). Likely just morphed into something stupid. Claiming this is some "desensitizing" conspiracy is just....stupid.

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Training for head shots is a waste of taxpayer dollars and could provide impetus for unsafe shots.

Center mass.
 
Training for head shots is a waste of taxpayer dollars and could provide impetus for unsafe shots.

Center mass.

How would it be any different if there were Bullseye's in the little boxes instead of mug shots? I think people are just looking for things to get outraged over....And let's not leave out the whole reason for this faux outrage seems to be to further the current hate rhetoric against Law Enforcement....This should be the poster for invented issues.
 
How would it be any different if there were Bullseye's in the little boxes instead of mug shots? I think people are just looking for things to get outraged over....And let's not leave out the whole reason for this faux outrage seems to be to further the current hate rhetoric against Law Enforcement....This should be the poster for invented issues.

It should be a silhouette. I'm not here to discuss other aspects of the event; merely that training other than silhouette center mass is a waste of taxpayer dollars and targets such as in the article may provide impetus to unsafe (for the officer) shots.

Did the department save money? No. It wasted money on ineffective and even risk-creating training. Such a claim is clearly an excuse.
 
It should be a silhouette.

Why? At 300 yards let's say, what would be different between a silhouette, and this photocopy to the naked eye?

I'm not here to discuss other aspects of the event

Such as?

merely that training other than silhouette center mass is a waste of taxpayer dollars

Ok, so ordering silhouettes on the internet can cost as little as .10 cents per sheet, and running off copies in an office runs about .05 cents....So, no I'd say they were saving money.

targets such as in the article may provide impetus to unsafe (for the officer) shots.

What "impetus for unsafe shots" does this provide?

Did the department save money? No. It wasted money on ineffective and even risk-creating training.

Repeating your claim doesn't make it true no matter if you try and authoritatively answer your own question or not...Target practice does not create risk, it reduces it by making the shooter more proficient....
 
Mostly in bad taste. I guess the PC crowd could be satisfied, if a
number of crazed white crack heads were included in the spread.
 
Target practice does not create risk, it reduces it by making the shooter more proficient....

Target practice with improper procedure does create risks.
 
Mostly in bad taste. I guess the PC crowd could be satisfied, if a
number of crazed white crack heads were included in the spread.

That's tilting at windmills.
 
I couldn't argue against this point even if I wanted to.

I'm actually surprised that nobody has stepped in to explain this to me by now.
 
Training for head shots is a waste of taxpayer dollars and could provide impetus for unsafe shots.

Center mass.

Not necessarily training for head shots but for accuracy. Squares on a range target are common.

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Yeah, I'm totally cool with the police using pictures me of me as target practice. I think it's great.

Do the cops have your mugshot? If they do, who's fault is that?
 
Notice the delineation of accuracy in the boxes. No such thing exists for the head shots.

Oh good, you're back....Explain what in the "proper procedure" creating risk was done in using this target?
 
Oh good, you're back....Explain what in the "proper procedure" creating risk was done in using this target?

There was no attempt to gauge accuracy, as noted above; it was a head shot exercise. If you cannot see the inherent problems, that's your shortcoming and I see no need to explain it to those capable of understanding.

So, tell us why you really support it.
 
There was no attempt to gauge accuracy, as noted above...

Clearly you don't shoot much...Do you think that placing a cluster within a 1 or 2" box from say 50 or 75 meters is an accurate shot?

it was a head shot exercise

No, it wasn't. While the optics of using mug shots was embarrassing for the department in terms of the optics of insensitivity toward the people involved, the exercise was to place the grouping of shots within the box, NOT practicing for a head shot...That is a silly narrative for those like you to paint the police as some kind of murderous cowboys...

If you cannot see the inherent problems, that's your shortcoming and I see no need to explain it to those capable of understanding.

Oh, I understand alright...And, I'd put my firearms experience up against yours any day of the week...So, to premise that the use of mug shots was anything other than insensitivity, which toward criminals, I could really care less about, is somehow an exercise to do anything else other than place a grouping of shots in a 2" square from 50 meters is just plain stupid.

So, tell us why you really support it.

I see, so since I am arguing that is really nothing to see here, I must support it eh? Is that how your mind works? That explains much...You might try actually having a conversation rather than trying so hard to fit others into your own false mischaracterizations....Just a little advice.
 
Clearly you don't shoot much...Do you think that placing a cluster within a 1 or 2" box from say 50 or 75 meters is an accurate shot?



No, it wasn't. While the optics of using mug shots was embarrassing for the department in terms of the optics of insensitivity toward the people involved, the exercise was to place the grouping of shots within the box, NOT practicing for a head shot...That is a silly narrative for those like you to paint the police as some kind of murderous cowboys...



Oh, I understand alright...And, I'd put my firearms experience up against yours any day of the week...So, to premise that the use of mug shots was anything other than insensitivity, which toward criminals, I could really care less about, is somehow an exercise to do anything else other than place a grouping of shots in a 2" square from 50 meters is just plain stupid.



I see, so since I am arguing that is really nothing to see here, I must support it eh? Is that how your mind works? That explains much...You might try actually having a conversation rather than trying so hard to fit others into your own false mischaracterizations....Just a little advice.

tl;dr

Translation: I like the idea of practicing head shots on black people.
 
If a shooter doesn't care about accuracy there is no need for targets.

True. So, why use black peoples' heads as targets...
 
If they were to pay me royalties I'd pose for photos for this purpose. Shoot (no pun intended, ok a little), I'd even make different faces.
 
tl;dr

Translation: I like the idea of practicing head shots on black people.

No, the people in the boxes have nothing to do with it...But, I understand that is your go to when you've been shown to be wrong.
 
No, the people in the boxes have nothing to do with it...But, I understand that is your go to when you've been shown to be wrong.

I was shown correct at every turn, including the lack of boxes to indicate accuracy on the head-shots.
 
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