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Supreme Court to take up same sex marriage issues in April

Deuce said:
The 14th amendment is the question before the court. Nobody is arguing about "sexual choice."
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Yeah. exactly. Not sure what Jerry is going to argue....
 
Here's to hoping that the Supreme Court will do it's actual job and follow the Constitution. They've been pretty awful so far, and there is not much hope.
 
paddymcdougall said:
It is so exciting! back in the mid80s, a few years out of college, I wrote a letter to the editor in favor of same sex marriage. I had no idea I'd see it happen in my lifetime!

Now all we need is a woman president, and all my major life wishes will be met
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hahahaha niiiiice

that would be fine with me too and it will be a great achievement

what a great america my daughter will be in and my grandchildren as far as THESE fronts are concerned . . .
hopefully we make great strides in education, healthcare and infrastructure (transportation, utilities and technology)
 
Anthony60 said:
Here's to hoping that the Supreme Court will do it's actual job and follow the Constitution. They've been pretty awful so far, and there is not much hope.
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They will. The 14th amendment requires scrutiny of any gender-based restriction. This particular restriction doesn't pass the test.
 
Well, I hope they make the right decision and leave it to the States. The Feds should keep their noses out of it. At least half the Court are cowards, so you might get what you want.
 
Anthony60 said:
Well, I hope they make the right decision and leave it to the States. The Feds should keep their noses out of it. At least half the Court are cowards, so you might get what you want.
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if the feds have to keep out then what right do the states have to interfere.
 
Anthony60 said:
Well, I hope they make the right decision and leave it to the States. The Feds should keep their noses out of it. At least half the Court are cowards, so you might get what you want.
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You hope this but the 14th amendment applies to all state laws. This isn't a conflict, or a question of the 10th versus the 14th. States have the authority to "define marriage," that is already established. However, any such definitions still must comply with the 14th.
 
Ontologuy said:
1.)Your implied perspective is that the majority of Americans favor the oxymoronic SSM.
2.)They don't -- that's a fact.

Check the facts here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/184311-vote-here-gay-same-sex-unions.html#post1062823882.
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1.) because its true all recent polls range from 53-59%
not to mention majority support isnt needed since this is an equal rights issue
2.) its not a fact, as usual you are posting a lie that nobody honest educated and objective takes seriously (as one cab see by the multiple posters proving your claims wrong)all the polls prove your claim wrong)

the fact remains the majority of Americans do support equal rights
the fact also remains that support is just a bonus since its not needed on this equal rights issue.
no amount of posted lies, dishonest, illogical and unsupportable theories or mentally inept, retarded, inane, pseudo-intellectual ranting filled with obvious bigotry and hate will ever change that fact lol
 
Jerry said:
That's you, not me.


Be carfull, acusing people of trolling, is trolling.


Where in the forum rules are we required only to take genuine positions? The forum has even awarded me for taking opposing views. You need to check yourself.

My view on SSM is "they can't do worse than I did, let'em have a shot". Everything else is just me passing time.
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you do what you want but this isn't a nuanced issue. Trying to 'understand' the POV of bigots isn't on my priority list
 
Anthony60 said:
Here's to hoping that the Supreme Court will do it's actual job and follow the Constitution. They've been pretty awful so far, and there is not much hope.
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I agree 100%!!!!

if they follow the constitution like the super vast majority of the many cases and 45+ judges equal rights will be national and that benefits all Americans!
 
Anthony60 said:
Here's to hoping that the Supreme Court will do it's actual job and follow the Constitution. They've been pretty awful so far, and there is not much hope.
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They like will rule correctly in accordance with Constitution, upholding the 14th Amendment as they should. The states do not have the right to deny equal protection to their citizens, including concerning legal marriage, on the basis of either sex or sexuality without showing why such restrictions further at least a legitimate state interest.
 
Read more at Justice Department Will Urge Supreme Court To Rule In Favor Of Same-Sex Marriage

Justice Department Will Urge Supreme Court To Rule In Favor Of Same-Sex Marriage
The U.S. Justice Department, however, isn’t standing inactive on the sidelines — they’re stepping forward to put in their own two cents on how same-sex marriage cases should be settled. According to the Washington Blade, Eric Holder has stated that the Justice Department will file a Friends of the Court brief, in which they will “urge the Supreme Court to make marriage equality a reality for all Americans.”
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Holder said. “It is time for our nation to take another critical step forward to ensure the fundamental equality of all Americans — no matter who they are, where they come from, or whom they love.” - See more at: Holder to file brief arguing marriage rights 'for all Americans'
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more good news
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
if the feds have to keep out then what right do the states have to interfere.
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He and the other "states' rights" aficionados weren't so particular when the fed passed "DOMA" either, which was a severe restriction on states' ability to define marriage
 
Deuce said:
You hope this but the 14th amendment applies to all state laws. This isn't a conflict, or a question of the 10th versus the 14th. States have the authority to "define marriage," that is already established. However, any such definitions still must comply with the 14th.
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As long as due process was respected, ssm can still be banned. That's how the 14th works.
 
Anthony60 said:
The Constitution makes it clear that any power not given to the Federal government is reserved for the States and the people.
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Yes, the people, not just the states. And the 14th makes it clear that the states must show at least some state interest is furthered in treating people differently.
 
Deuce said:
You hope this but the 14th amendment applies to all state laws. This isn't a conflict, or a question of the 10th versus the 14th. States have the authority to "define marriage," that is already established. However, any such definitions still must comply with the 14th.
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Yes, and that has not been decided. The big issue is not SSM, it's following the Constitution.
 
Anthony60 said:
Yes, and that has not been decided. The big issue is not SSM, it's following the Constitution.
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States must abide by the Constitution too, including the Equal Protection Clause, which is violated by marriage bans based on gender/sex of those involved since the state cannot show any legitimate state interest is furthered by these bans. The Constitution is ultimately there to protect the citizens from the government, including state governments.
 
roguenuke said:
Yes, the people, not just the states. And the 14th makes it clear that the states must show at least some state interest is furthered in treating people differently.
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What part of the 14th are you referencing?
 
roguenuke said:
States must abide by the Constitution too, including the Equal Protection Clause, which is violated by marriage bans based on gender/sex of those involved since the state cannot show any legitimate state interest is furthered by these bans. The Constitution is ultimately there to protect the citizens from the government, including state governments.
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It has not been decided that not changing the definition of marriage violates the equal protection clause.
 
Anthony60 said:
What part of the 14th are you referencing?
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Equal protection clause. Not too hard to figure out. Certainly as clear as the tenth and how it divides power between the states and the people.
 
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