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Obama pushes broadband plan

Wait, hold on: are you suggesting that internet providers didn't lobby their state congresses to ban competing isps?

Lobbying for legislation isn't the same as buying legislation. How can pretend you don't know that? Or do you really NOT know that? I suppose it's possible that you could be that clueless, but surely, it was just an act on your part, right?
 
Sadly, I think the only way libs like you will ever realize that buying politicians isn't nearly as common or easy as you want to believe is to win mega millions and find out for yourself. Unfortunately, there can't be enough super powerball winners to do much to change the overall meme.

The only part I like and think is hilarious about your post is the libs reference. :lamo
 
So you think dial-up is better?

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These comments like yours are just stupid. I stated:

"Satellite broadband is extremely asynchronous and latency is very high. The only time its a good option is when there are simply no other options at all available."

Do you honestly think from that I mean't satellite broadband is worse than dial-up??

Perhaps the "broadband" in the statement would be indicative of me referring to other types of broadband access (DSL, Cable, Fiber, 4G/LTE).
 
The only part I like and think is hilarious about your post is the libs reference. :lamo

Seriously. I wish you the best and hope you win the powerball. You'll be disappointed when you find out that all the crap you spewed all along about "buying laws" as you please was complete sewage, but that's a small thing compared to having a lot of money to piss away and I have no doubt you would piss away a fortune if you won a fortune. It's amazing how many people who win millions end up dead broke again very quickly. Seems that people who aren't sharp enough to make their own fortune are likely not sharp enough to keep a fortune that falls into their lap, either. Fools and their money are soon parted.
 
Seriously. I wish you the best and hope you win the powerball. You'll be disappointed when you find out that all the crap you spewed all along about "buying laws" as you please was complete sewage, but that's a small thing compared to having a lot of money to piss away and I have no doubt you would piss away a fortune if you won a fortune. It's amazing how many people who win millions end up dead broke again very quickly. Seems that people who aren't sharp enough to make their own fortune are likely not sharp enough to keep a fortune that falls into their lap, either. Fools and their money are soon parted.
I have to admit, you are one funny person, very entertaining to read.

Speaking of buying laws, isn't that basically why lobbyists flock to DC and state capitals, to influence powerful legislators into pet projects and other wasteful stuff?

I suppose if one is a conservative, he or she might see lobbyists as just good old pals with a lot of money to toss.

I think if I had a lot of money or were wealthy, I'd start up a dog farm or ranch, and provide care, shelter and feeding of abandoned dogs.
 
Lobbying for legislation isn't the same as buying legislation. How can pretend you don't know that? Or do you really NOT know that? I suppose it's possible that you could be that clueless, but surely, it was just an act on your part, right?

Lobbyist;

A lobbyist is someone hired by a business or a cause to persuade legislators to support that business or cause. Lobbyists get paid to win favor from politicians. For example, oil companies send lobbyists to Washington to try to make life easier for oil companies.
 
I have to admit, you are one funny person, very entertaining to read.

Speaking of buying laws, isn't that basically why lobbyists flock to DC and state capitals, to influence powerful legislators into pet projects and other wasteful stuff?

No, that's why you THINK lobbyists flock to DC because you've overdosed on the Koolaide. Lobbyists are critical to both industry AND government. And if you actually cared about reality, you'd probably already see that. But instead, you care about mouthing dishonest talking points like the one I just quoted above.

I suppose if one is a conservative, he or she might see lobbyists as just good old pals with a lot of money to toss.

You're good at supposing stupid things, I see.

I think if I had a lot of money or were wealthy, I'd start up a dog farm or ranch, and provide care, shelter and feeding of abandoned dogs.

Well, the great thing about this country is that you could do that. Capitalism and free market principles let you ply whatever trade you wish to ply in order to support yourself and create your own wealth. Enjoy.
 
I don't think either party is actually a stooge for big business. Mostly that's just small minded little partisan hacks demonizing the other party. The beauty of going through life clinging to the pseudo conspiracy-theory that the rich control everyone's lives is awesome for people that don't have the intellectual courage to acknowledge that their life is actually the sum of their decisions and actions. Much better to blame all our personal failures and shortcoming on a system where the rich hold everyone else back, control all the laws of the country and keep poor, helpless, people like yourself from being the superstars you know you would be if only the deck wasn't so stacked against you.

Losers need excuses for their failures and that has to be one of the most coveted loser excuses of all time in this country. "The rich man be keepin' me down". Seems to be the sweetheart excuse for every left wing pinko that isn't a limousine liberal.

"I'm going to ignore the changes in US wages, wealth and income inequality while I spout the typical BS about "person responsibility" because....well.....facing up to changes in the US macroeconomy is not how I graze...Mooo".
 
No, that's why you THINK lobbyists flock to DC because you've overdosed on the Koolaide. Lobbyists are critical to both industry AND government. And if you actually cared about reality, you'd probably already see that. But instead, you care about mouthing dishonest talking points like the one I just quoted above.
I agree, lobbyists are VERY critical for industry to influence govt....f'ning DUH.....that is hardly a defense for "the GOP is not a stooge for Big Business", in fact it is a supporting argument opposing the position..
 
No, that's why you THINK lobbyists flock to DC because you've overdosed on the Koolaide. Lobbyists are critical to both industry AND government. And if you actually cared about reality, you'd probably already see that. But instead, you care about mouthing dishonest talking points like the one I just quoted above.



You're good at supposing stupid things, I see.



Well, the great thing about this country is that you could do that. Capitalism and free market principles let you ply whatever trade you wish to ply in order to support yourself and create your own wealth. Enjoy.

That was absolutely fantastic, thanks for the laugh.

What's your favorite drink?
 
Lobbyist;

Most of the value that lobbyists provide is in keeping industry apprised of legislation that is going to be affecting them. You probably didn't know that. It doesn't make decent class warfare propaganda, so you'll never hear that from the people you like to listen to.

Lobbyists also organize information and help with hearings. They are typically industry professionals and understand the legislative process. The government heavily regulates industry and industry relies heavily on lobbyists to keep good communication between legislators and the industry they are regulating. While I know that the pinko left thinks that things would be swell if we just regulated business without any input from business at all, our government can't let that happen because the constitution guarantees us the right to petition the government and redress grievances.
 
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Most of the value that lobbyists provide is in keeping industry apprised of legislation that is going to be affecting them. You probably didn't know that. It doesn't make decent class warfare propaganda, so you'll never hear that from the people you like to listen to.
Sure.....the flow of "information"....is mainly from govt to industry via lobbyists.....not influence from industry to govt via lobbyists!

Wow....just WOW!
 
I agree, lobbyists are VERY critical for industry to influence govt....f'ning DUH.....that is hardly a defense for "the GOP is not a stooge for Big Business", in fact it is a supporting argument opposing the position..

That made no sense unless you think lobbyists and "the GOP" are synonymous. But then again, you probably do think that.
 
Sure.....the flow of "information"....is mainly from govt to industry via lobbyists.....not influence from industry to govt via lobbyists!

Wow....just WOW!

Lobbyists do the leg work. They work with legislators and communicate back to industry what's going on. Communication is a two-way street. You should try to learn something about this government of ours. You seem very interested in discussing political things, so knowing how our political system actually works would be helpful for you.
 
That made no sense unless you think lobbyists and "the GOP" are synonymous. But then again, you probably do think that.
I see that even at this level of conversation, where 2 related comments are conflated into straw, you cannot, will not, make a point that moves your argument forward. It was not my argument that needed defending, you are still stuck with 2 incorrect positions, the level of BB influence on the GOP and what exactly the main job of a lobbyist is. Your view of nearly everything we have debated today is so wrong...and has been shown as so......yet you insist.
 
Lobbying for legislation isn't the same as buying legislation. How can pretend you don't know that? Or do you really NOT know that? I suppose it's possible that you could be that clueless, but surely, it was just an act on your part, right?

By the way, I'd just like to say that you are the first person in this thread who is critical of Obama's proposal that actually acknowledges that lobbying has taken place. Everyone else has ignored or skirted around that fact. So congratulations! Now, that doesn't take away from the fact that your attempting to differentiate between "buying" and "lobbying" is absolutely hilarious and strains the realms of credulity to its breaking point, but congratulations nonetheless.

On another note, earlier today I asked for an example of a government in existence today that most closely approximates your ideals of how a government should be run. You complained about me wanting an example, pointing out that you hadn't actually done any research on the matter, and I countered quite correctly that your entire credibility was on the line. After all, if you haven't done any research, or reading, or watching of the news...or anything at all...what good is your opinion besides as just another product of one who's good for picking up and moving large large rocks from one location to another and not really much else? As there was no further response from you, I assumed you had gone off to actually research this very interesting point for yourself, so I held off. Yet here you are again and you have supplied no example of a country that most closely approximates your ideal. Do you have one or would you like some more time to carry out further research?
 
These comments like yours are just stupid. I stated:

"Satellite broadband is extremely asynchronous and latency is very high. The only time its a good option is when there are simply no other options at all available."

Do you honestly think from that I mean't satellite broadband is worse than dial-up??

Perhaps the "broadband" in the statement would be indicative of me referring to other types of broadband access (DSL, Cable, Fiber, 4G/LTE).
Sounds to me like you are saying, "no other options at all available. You said it. I didn't. ;)

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Lobbyists do the leg work. They work with legislators and communicate back to industry what's going on. Communication is a two-way street. You should try to learn something about this government of ours. You seem very interested in discussing political things, so knowing how our political system actually works would be helpful for you.
I'm not disagreeing with the idea that communications by lobbyists are "2 ways", the point is the "main" way the communication goes.....and that "main" way is from industry TO govt, the govt is not paying the lobbyist to communicate to industry....it is in fact industry paying lobbyists to communicate the wants of industry.

I can't believe again how little you have thought this through. This is so inane.
 
By the way, I'd just like to say that you are the first person in this thread who is critical of Obama's proposal that actually acknowledges that lobbying has taken place. Everyone else has ignored or skirted around that fact. So congratulations! Now, that doesn't take away from the fact that your attempting to differentiate between "buying" and "lobbying" is absolutely hilarious and strains the realms of credulity to its breaking point, but congratulations nonetheless.

Yeah, har har har. Lobbying = buying because little libbies say so. The fact that it's a stupid thing to say certainly isn't going to keep any lib from saying it and as many little mindless libs as hear it from repeating it because even though it's nonsense, it just sounds so heartwarming to the cockles of the hearts of the poor little lost souls suffering from pathological issues of class envy.
 
I'm not disagreeing with the idea that communications by lobbyists are "2 ways", the point is the "main" way the communication goes.....and that "main" way is from industry TO govt, the govt is not paying the lobbyist to communicate to industry....it is in fact industry paying lobbyists to communicate the wants of industry.

I can't believe again how little you have thought this through. This is so inane.

I said the main VALUE is keeping industry apprised of all the crap congress has in store for them. I didn't say that most of their efforts in communication are from Washington back to industry. They work very hard to try to affect legislation for business in a positive way. What's absurd, however, is this idiotic meme that lobbyists are evil and that everything they do is for the sake of helping business screw the working class and that whatever they suggest to legislators becomes law because legislators are powerless to make up their own minds about anything - or that they're so beholden to huge campaign contributors that they just cave in as soon as a lobbyist from an industry that makes campaign contributions says "booh".

Lobbyists are the bogey man for ignorant political hacks and, for some reason, it's mostly LIBERAL political hacks that are eaten up with this particular ignorance but I've seen some righties that wallow in the same ignorance as far as lobbyists go. They're a necessary part of making government work to everyone else.
 
Never? That's an odd thing to say. Absolute statements like yours are pretty silly and make a very transparent strawman. If you want to create a ridiculous position for me, it's better to make one that's not so transparent. Transparencies make poor strawmen.

OK Money is SELDOM a factor for politicians. It sounds just as foolish. Money is everything if a politician wishes to keep his job. Can we agree on that?
 
OK Money is SELDOM a factor for politicians. It sounds just as foolish. Money is everything if a politician wishes to keep his job. Can we agree on that?

Money is everything to you in order to eat and put a roof over your head. Does that mean that you do whatever it takes to get money whether it is legal or not and whether it is right or not? If you do, then that explains why you think everyone else must behave that way, too. If you don't then why do you assume you're the only one that wouldn't sell your soul to the highest contributor? I wouldn't, but maybe you would, huh?
 
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I said the main VALUE is keeping industry apprised of all the crap congress has in store for them. I didn't say that most of their efforts in communication are from Washington back to industry. They work very hard to try to affect legislation for business in a positive way.
Re: positive for the business who pays them to do so......again 'ning DUH!

What's absurd, however, is this idiotic meme that lobbyists are evil and that everything they do is for the sake of helping business screw the working class and that whatever they suggest to legislators becomes law because legislators are powerless to make up their own minds about anything - or that they're so beholden to huge campaign contributors that they just cave in as soon as a lobbyist from an industry that makes campaign contributions says "booh".
What is idiotic is the constant pooh-poohing of the effect of lobbying by industry and the vastly greater influence it has over a vote by a single constituent. This denial is just so ludicrous!


Lobbyists are the bogey man for ignorant political hacks and, for some reason, it's mostly LIBERAL political hacks that are eaten up with this particular ignorance but I've seen some righties that wallow in the same ignorance as far as lobbyists go. They're a necessary part of making government work to everyone else.
"Govt work to everyone else"? WTF? You think the influence of lobbying, which is carried out far more by Big Business....is doing so for "everyone else"?

Good grief.....why am I wasting so much time on such ignorant postings from you?
 
Yeah, har har har. Lobbying = buying because little libbies say so. The fact that it's a stupid thing to say certainly isn't going to keep any lib from saying it and as many little mindless libs as hear it from repeating it because even though it's nonsense, it just sounds so heartwarming to the cockles of the hearts of the poor little lost souls suffering from pathological issues of class envy.

Okay, so you have no idea what a political system that shares your ideals would even look like because you've done literally no research whatsoever, and you are completely unaware of what happens during the lobbying process.

Right-o.
 
Money is everything to you in order to eat and put a roof over your head. Does that mean that you do whatever it takes to get money whether it is legal or not and whether it is right or not? If you do, then that explains why you think everyone else must behave that way, too. If you don't then why do you assume you're the only one that wouldn't sell your soul to the highest contributor? I wouldn't, but maybe you would, huh?

You are crazy if you think everyone has to make decisions for all of us based on what some contributor wants. It is unique to politics and dangerous by nature.
 
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