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Obama pushes broadband plan

MrVicchio said:
Obama promising free **** to stupid people?
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In the nineteen minutes between my post and yours, you could have read the article six times over and known the answer for yourself.
 
Cardinal said:
Internet providers successfully lobbied state governments in order to prevent local municipalities from building their own isps. That's what the proposal is about: restoring freedom to local governments to choose their own course and provide basic utilities to their citizens like they should have been able to from the very beginning. The communications corporations were able to bribe their way into preventing competition, and this bill opens competition back up again. Everyone wins. Well, everyone but Telecom that is, but **** them.
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Ah, I see. Something like that happened here. We have Windstream, used to be Alltel and they suuuuuck. Their contract will soon come to an end, hopefully they are not allowed to continue without competition, but it is my understanding that they own the lines as well. We have a new recent option, fiber optic offered by the local power coop (which has outstanding service) but it is not all installed yet and paying to get it run in a rural area can be expensive. It would cost about $1300 (I checked) to have it run to my business from the nearest junction point, but it would almost be worth it to tell Windstream to go pound sand. Habersham EMC (the power company offering the fiber optic) is bar none the best utility provider I have ever encountered. I live a half mile from the nearest paved road up on a mountain ridge with a steep dirt road, when the power went out last year (and two years before that) during a winter storm they had a crew out in less than an hour, and that line only services our home.

Anyway, I would much rather see competition between private companies and coops for utilities than having any government entity own it. Governments do not compete, and therefore have no incentive to be awesome.
 
Cardinal said:
In the nineteen minutes between my post and yours, you could have read the article six times over and known the answer for yourself.
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I read this:
"force taxpayer funded competition against private broadband providers -- against the wishes of the states."
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Obama pushes broadband plan, critics see

Translation Obama wants tax payers to pay for internet the government can give away to "targeted demographics" in return for votes. that's all this is. thats his schtick. Bribing stupid ppl with free **** and packaging it in a way the guillible can swallow, hook line amd sinker.
 
MrVicchio said:
I read this: Obama pushes broadband plan, critics see

Translation Obama wants tax payers to pay for internet the government can give away to "targeted demographics" in return for votes. that's all this is. thats his schtick. Bribing stupid ppl with free **** and packaging it in a way the guillible can swallow, hook line amd sinker.
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allow = force ? wow, ok orwell
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MrVicchio said:
I read this: Obama pushes broadband plan, critics see

Translation Obama wants tax payers to pay for internet the government can give away to "targeted demographics" in return for votes. that's all this is. thats his schtick. Bribing stupid ppl with free **** and packaging it in a way the guillible can swallow, hook line amd sinker.
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Too bad you read the most wrong part of the article instead of the actual proposal. Post #145.
 
Cardinal said:
Too bad you read the most wrong part of the article instead of the actual proposal. Post #145.
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I bet you still believe that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor...
 
MrVicchio said:
I bet you still believe that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor...
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tech30528 said:
Ah, I see. Something like that happened here. We have Windstream, used to be Alltel and they suuuuuck. Their contract will soon come to an end, hopefully they are not allowed to continue without competition, but it is my understanding that they own the lines as well. We have a new recent option, fiber optic offered by the local power coop (which has outstanding service) but it is not all installed yet and paying to get it run in a rural area can be expensive. It would cost about $1300 (I checked) to have it run to my business from the nearest junction point, but it would almost be worth it to tell Windstream to go pound sand. Habersham EMC (the power company offering the fiber optic) is bar none the best utility provider I have ever encountered. I live a half mile from the nearest paved road up on a mountain ridge with a steep dirt road, when the power went out last year (and two years before that) during a winter storm they had a crew out in less than an hour, and that line only services our home.

Anyway, I would much rather see competition between private companies and coops for utilities than having any government entity own it. Governments do not compete, and therefore have no incentive to be awesome.
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I actually have it pretty good compared to a lot of people. Being in an area with nearly a dozen choices my i.p. doesn't abuse me (that I'm especially aware of) and so I don't see red. This, however, does not describe nineteen states that have made laws making it illegal for municipalities to offer their own isps. With local governments offering their own isps private companies would have to offer something better than "godawful" at the highest prices. That's what competition does, and ultimately it's the consumer/citizen that benefits from it, just as I've benefited by having nearly a dozen providers to choose from. Simply repeating "government doesn't compete" over and over doesn't make it true because it's proven, demonstrably false.
 
MrVicchio said:
I bet you still believe that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor...
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So you're reduced to trolling then. You're backpedaling because losing on one front you're trying to shift the argument to a completely unrelated one. Just admit you didn't understand the topic before chiming in and move on.
 
ALEC doesn't want municipalities to be able to run broadband services and have been successful in getting laws passed against it. Why? More money for the big companies. Because, competition is not nearly as profitable as monopolies.

What The Media Needs To Know About Who's Fighting To Restrict Broadband Access | Research | Media Matters for America

How ALEC Helps Big Telecoms Change State Laws for Corporate Gain | Benton Foundation

How ALEC Helps Big Telecom Change State Laws for Corporate Gain | PR Watch
 
beefheart said:
ALEC doesn't want municipalities to be able to run broadband services and have been successful in getting laws passed against it. Why? More money for the big companies. Because, competition is not nearly as profitable as monopolies.

What The Media Needs To Know About Who's Fighting To Restrict Broadband Access | Research | Media Matters for America

How ALEC Helps Big Telecoms Change State Laws for Corporate Gain | Benton Foundation

How ALEC Helps Big Telecom Change State Laws for Corporate Gain | PR Watch
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In addition...

ISP lobby has already won limits on public broadband in 20 states | Ars Technica
http://www.klgates.com/files/Public...c723-fe67-4fc1-b85b-c71221c50bb6/Coma1204.pdf

The people coming out against Obama's proposal have no clue a)what the proposal is about and b)why it was created in the first place.
 
beefheart said:
ALEC doesn't want municipalities to be able to run broadband services and have been successful in getting laws passed against it. Why? More money for the big companies. Because, competition is not nearly as profitable as monopolies.

What The Media Needs To Know About Who's Fighting To Restrict Broadband Access | Research | Media Matters for America



How ALEC Helps Big Telecoms Change State Laws for Corporate Gain | Benton Foundation

How ALEC Helps Big Telecom Change State Laws for Corporate Gain | PR Watch
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...but... but.... OP told us the only unfair competition would be IF government got involved in the industry.

how can this be?
 
SlevinKelevra said:
...but... but.... OP told us the only unfair competition would be IF government got involved in the industry.

how can this be?
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The OP didn't read his own article.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
...but... but.... OP told us the only unfair competition would be IF government got involved in the industry.

how can this be?
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Because his ODS has eclipsed his ability to reason.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
...but... but.... OP told us the only unfair competition would be IF government got involved in the industry.

how can this be?
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unfair competition exists in the private sector as well.. that's for damned sure... often the unfair practices is codified into law, making it a public/private partnership of corruption.

is that an excuse for the govt to take over what has been a private industry?.. or it is an excuse to properly regulate the market/industry?

personally, I lean towards proper regulation...for many reasons.... others seem to believe that the govt taking over the market is a very good thing.
 
Thrilla said:
unfair competition exists in the private sector as well.. that's for damned sure... often the unfair practices is codified into law, making it a public/private partnership of corruption.

is that an excuse for the govt to take over what has been a private industry?.. or it is an excuse to properly regulate the market/industry?

personally, I lean towards proper regulation...for many reasons.... others seem to believe that the govt taking over the market is a very good thing.
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But industry taking over government is okey dokey for you. Right.

You still haven't actually read the article, have you?
 
Cardinal said:
But industry taking over government is okey dokey for you. Right.
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well, that all depends on the particular situation... got an example you'd like to discuss?

You still haven't actually read the article, have you?
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which article?.. i've read many

speaking of not reading, did you get around to reading the USPS piece on their monopoly ye?
 
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