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China bans wearing burqa in biggest Muslim city

Carjosse said:
France did ban the wearing of it in public but the law also applied to masks and any other sort of face covering. This Chinese law seems to only include burqas.
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Nobody will stop you wearing a Grace Kelly Carre slung elegantly to cover but the eyes in Paris.
 
joG said:
Nope. The French did that a while back. Suppression of religious minorities has a long tradition all across Eurasia and was a main reason to leave for the wilderness of North America.
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No one is suppressing any religion.
 
CMPancake said:
Again, nudity isn't the same as Religious expression. Quit trying to compare the two.
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Both are about freedom of expression.

China does not view religion, or freedom of religion as we do. We make a distinction, they dont necessarily.
 
Grant said:
No one is suppressing any religion.
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That is your opinion and that of the French majority, but not that of the women concerned nor of their families. With the power on its side it is simple to say that disallowing religious practice is not suppression. In the same way it was not discriminatory to ask Blacks to stand in the back of the bus, because that was their place and station. You can always find a euphemism for an outrageous act of humiliation of a minority that makes the perpetrator feel good and righteous. Come on. We know that. We are Americans. Our heritage stands for the exact opposite. We struggled against that type of oppresion.
 
joG said:
That is your opinion and that of the French majority, but not that of the women concerned nor of their families. With the power on its side it is simple to say that disallowing religious practice is not suppression.
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This burka thing is a recent phenomenon and not part of Islam.

In the same way it was not discriminatory to ask Blacks to stand in the back of the bus, because that was their place and station.
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Now you've entered another world altogether. Adios.
 
just guessing, but I think it's more about keeping the Uyghur separatists under the boot of the Han Chinese.
What they do in Tibet also, trying to destroys cultures or religions from their occupations.

It's so bad in Tibet..

China Bans Reincarnation Without Government Permission | Humans Are Free

By barring any Buddhist monk living outside China from seeking reincarnation, the law effectively gives Chinese authorities the power to choose the next Dalai Lama, whose soul, by tradition, is reborn as a new human to continue the work of relieving suffering. -
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Grant said:
This burka thing is a recent phenomenon and not part of Islam.

Now you've entered another world altogether. Adios.
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Mormons and born again Christians are a new phenomenon. So what? Who am I to say what another person really believes?
 
I support face covering bans for non-Muslim majority nations but not for the reasons China gave. To link Muslim face coverings to extremism is wrong and demonizes Muslims. The reason to give is that citizens can't cover face for crime reasons. I can't walk around with a motorbike helmet on because it hides my identity. This is a good enough reason. I think the CPC got this one wrong.
 
That is an idiotic statement. China does not ban all forms of expression. What are you even talking about?
 
Dragonfly said:
China bans wearing burqa in biggest Muslim city - CNN.com




Is China ahead of the curve here? Breaking new ground? Or setting themselves up for more hatred and attacks?

Would you support burqa bans in your country?
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IMO, I don't think they are breaking new ground. They pulled this kind of stuff before and they are still totalitarian in nature. It wasn't too long ago that the Dalai Lama proclaimed some form of autonomy for Tibet within China that would allow his people to freely practice their culture, language and religion. Many were rounded up and put in prison, some were exiled and many protesters were killed.
 
Dragonfly said:
China bans wearing burqa in biggest Muslim city - CNN.com




Is China ahead of the curve here? Breaking new ground? Or setting themselves up for more hatred and attacks?

Would you support burqa bans in your country?
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when i was in afghanistan,i was about a 3 hour drive from china,specifically that province,which also borders many muslim countries and russia.it is part of the gobi desert,and even though not heavily populated,is mostly muslim.

its a bad move for china to tzamper with anything in any religious are,china was the only major comunist block country to allow widespread religious practice,although it was heavily restricted to state control,whereas other comunist block countries outright banned religion,or had an even tighter control on it.

even being china,i cant see such acts against muslims going far,as much of its western region is muslim,and the region in question could stir up rebels from kazakstan afghanistan uzbekistan kyrgystan etc.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Even more irony...in context this is "progressive".

Not that long ago it was illegal to practice ANY religion.
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The Chinese government persecutes Christians: China's Christians fear new persecution after latest wave of church demolitions | World news | The Guardian

And it's trying to control the Catholics. From WaPo:

Even those most optimistic, however, acknowledge that any rapprochement [between the Chinese government and the Catholic Church] would take much time and require a breakthrough on the conflict at the heart of the rift: which side has final say over who gets ordained in China.
The Vatican maintains that the pope has sole authority in appointing bishops. China’s atheistic Communist Party — long distrustful of what it considers foreign religions — insists that only China should select its church leaders.

The fight between two of the world’s most hierarchical and authority-driven powers has become so fraught that Chinese authorities have in some cases resorted to kidnapping bishops approved by Rome, according to the Vatican, and pressured them into laying their hands upon government-chosen bishops at their ordinations — a move meant to lend such ceremonies legitimacy despite Vatican opposition. For China

Pope Francis denies Dalai Lama an audience because of China concerns | World news | The Guardian
 
I remember the old expression "when in Rome, do as the Romans do." I firmly believe that, if you decide to live in a country other than your native country, you should integrate yourself with the culture. In the case of muslims, the issue is more than just a matter cultural integration. It is also an issue of security. It makes sense to me that a country would pass laws designed to make life a little uncomfortable for those that refuse to integrate in the hopes of motivating them to go home. Personally, I would deport every resident from a muslim country that is not a citizen. That is obviously too extreme for almost everybody but it would certainly help with security. WE would only have to deal with the home grown terrorists. What China did is not as effective as that but is likely more acceptable. Integrate or leave. It actually makes sense to me.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Mormons and born-agains wear burkhas?
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No, but their religion is new. The argument that burkhas being new to Islam are not part of the religion and /or religious belief is therefore faulty, unless applicable to a large number of religions.
 
joG said:
I don't really care what disturbs Phyllis. If that is the way folks want to worship it is none of Phyllis' affair.
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This wasn't about Phyllis, it was about the photos and your contention that this burka idea was an old one. We can see the changes which have come to Egypt and the photos should have made that apparent. If you'd prefer to see the photos on another website i can provide that as well.

Is it your understanding that these graduate women chose to worship in burkas over those intervening years? That there was no religious pressure applied at all?
 
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