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Five Yemenis transferred from U.S. custody at Guantanamo: Pentagon

Our constitution states that congress is the only entity recognized as having the authority to declare war. In absence of that declaration we are not officially at war.
War on terrorism is like the war on drugs declared by a President it is not war at all but only a campaign of limited military war-like action..
Even with the authority of congress how could a nation really declare war on a tactic or a substance?
Officially the USA has not been at war since WWII.
It makes a big difference as to what can and can not be legally done by the President and the military and the status of combatants.
Without a full declaration of war, much of what we would like to do militarily and legally is constrained by the constitution itself.

Either **** or get off the pot.
 
Yeah, but why the try? If it was just one person it would be easy to shrug off but there are plenty more like this out there.

Yes there are plenty more who understand the limits and requirements of our constitution.
You can't shrug off the constitution.
 
Yes there are plenty more who understand the limits and requirements of our constitution. You can't shrug off the constitution.
Then write to your President or Congressman. The President insists there is a war going on (though he's also claimed to have ended part of it) and it's also been claimed he's a constitutional scholar. There are plenty of people besides you who believe this guy doesn't have a clue so welcome to the club!
 
Read and learn;

When passed, Congress intended the War Powers Resolution to halt the erosion of Congress's ability to participate in war-making decisions. The terrorist attacks against the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, however, created new complications for the separation of powers within the war powers sphere. After September 11, the United States Congress passed the Authorization for Use of Military Force against Terrorists (AUMF). President George W. Bush and his cabinet invaded Afghanistan to root out the Taliban government, which ruled Afghanistan and permitted the Al Qaeda terrorist network to conduct terrorist training within the country's borders. During the conflict, the U.S. military rounded up alleged members of the Taliban and those fighting against U.S. forces. The military then placed these "detainees" at a U.S. base located at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba at the direction of the Bush Administration who designed the plan under the premise that federal court jurisdiction did not reach the base. Consequently, the Bush Administration and military believed that the detainees could not avail themselves of habeas corpus and certain protections guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.

As the military held many of these prisoners at the base for years without bringing formal charges against them, the prisoners found counsel within the United States to file habeas corpus petitions within U.S. federal courts. A series of cases then came before the U.S. Supreme Court dealing with the constitutionality of the prisoners' detentions at Guantanamo.

In 2004 Rasul v. Bush became the first case in which the Supreme Court directly discussed the Bush Administration's policies. 542 U.S. 466. The Court in this case held that 28 U.S.C. § 2241 permits federal district courts to hear habeas corpus petitions by aliens held within territory over which the United States exercises "plenary and exclusive jurisdiction." This holding included Guantanamo detainees. The Court then instructed the district courts to hear the petitions.

After the Bush Administration responded to Rasul by permitting detainees to bring their petitions before military tribunals, the Supreme Court again addressed the matter in 2006 when they handed down Hamdan v. Rumsfeld. 548 U.S. 557. The Hamdan opinion held that the President lacks constitutional authority under the Commander in Chief Clause to try detainees in military tribunals. The tribunals also violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the Geneva Conventions. Furthermore, the Court rebuked the government's arguments that the AUMF expanded Presidential authority.

Congress responded by passing the Detainee Treatment Act, which provides that "no court, court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider . . . an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by . . . an alien detained . . . at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba." Lakhdar Boumediene, an Algerian citizen, challenged the constitutionality of this statute in Boumediene v. Bush (06-1195) in 2008. The Court struck down the Bush Administration's policies for a third time, holding that a Congressional suspension of habeas corpus requires an explicit suspension of the writ and that merely stripping the federal courts of jurisdiction does not actually suspend the writ. The Court also argued that the detainees lacked proper procedural safeguards to ensure a fair trial and the ability to ascertain the nature of their charges.
 
So, we should just withdraw and allow ourselves, and our interests to be attacked, or taken eh? That's just foolish

Well it seems like continuing the war is only increasing these attacks and support for these groups....
 
Well it seems like continuing the war is only increasing these attacks and support for these groups....

More Americans died after joining ww2 than before. More policemen go down, when they are enforcing against mafia thugs than when they don't.
 
Yea, so I'm sure they'll just go back home and play nice from now on....not join up with any terror networks again....

I wish I was taking the Naive pills that you have.

Most detainees dont "return to terrorism". The vast majority do not. Hell many of the detainees were never terrorists in the first place, as Republican Congressman Specter said, "the arrests of most of the roughly 500 prisoners held there were based on "the flimsiest sort of hearsay".

And I know what you are going to site is this "30% return to terrorism" study.
1.)30% is not most
2.)And there are several key problems with this study:
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2009/02/10/debunking-former-vice-president-cheney%25e2%2580%2599s-myths-returning-to-the-battlefield The actual number is closer to 14%.
 
Most detainees dont "return to terrorism". The vast majority do not. Hell many of the detainees were never terrorists in the first place, as Republican Congressman Specter said, "the arrests of most of the roughly 500 prisoners held there were based on "the flimsiest sort of hearsay".

And I know what you are going to site is this "30% return to terrorism" study.
1.)30% is not most
2.)And there are several key problems with this study:
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2009/02/10/debunking-former-vice-president-cheney%25e2%2580%2599s-myths-returning-to-the-battlefield The actual number is closer to 14%.

I'm not saying all of them return to terrorism. It's impossible to tell who will-unless they tell you.

Watch the G-bay documentary on Netflix. The prisoners yell out their intentions in many scenes. Quite a sight...
 
More Americans died after joining ww2 than before. More policemen go down, when they are enforcing against mafia thugs than when they don't.

More terrorist attacks happen when you are fighting a "war on terror". More people join terrorist groups when you are fighting a "war on terror". Sounds like this is never gonna end. Sound like our little "War" here is actually increasing terror.
 
Nope. Continuing to the war on terror is entirely up to us.
You're not the first who believes there shouldn't be a military response to terrorism but, like the rest, don't seem to have a clear alternative in mind.
 
More terrorist attacks happen when you are fighting a "war on terror". More people join terrorist groups when you are fighting a "war on terror". Sounds like this is never gonna end. Sound like our little "War" here is actually increasing terror.
It is terror that's increasing and will continue n that direction until it is stopped. Any ideas on how to combat international terrorism?
 
Think of it this way - even compared to the Bush administration, Yemen has far less compunction about people's rights than the US does. They won't hesitate to basically torture the **** out of these people.
 
I'm not saying all of them return to terrorism. It's impossible to tell who will-unless they tell you.
There is more ways to tell if they return to terrorism or decide to join terrorism. Monitoring, many are transferred to a countries prison system, many have deals set up with the host country they are released to where they have to meet certain conditions.

Watch the G-bay documentary on Netflix. The prisoners yell out their intentions in many scenes. Quite a sight...
Which one?
 
More terrorist attacks happen when you are fighting a "war on terror". More people join terrorist groups when you are fighting a "war on terror". Sounds like this is never gonna end. Sound like our little "War" here is actually increasing terror.

Capitulation to terrorism is a much better option. :roll:
 
There is more ways to tell if they return to terrorism or decide to join terrorism. Monitoring, many are transferred to a countries prison system, many have deals set up with the host country they are released to where they have to meet certain conditions.


Which one?

From what I'm reading, it's too hard to track. They go back to the "UFA" style of communication (using word of mouth and no electronics) making them impossible to trace.

-It's the tour of G-bay through the eye's of the MPs. Forgot the name, I will google it for you after this meeting.
 
You're not the first who believes there shouldn't be a military response to terrorism but, like the rest, don't seem to have a clear alternative in mind.

Where did I say "there shouldnt be a military response to terrorism"? Hell after Al-Qaeda attacked us I thought we should bomb their camps in Afghanistan (a military response). My alternative is this; stop increasing terrorism. This self declared "War on Terror" is clearly not a working policy.
 
It is terror that's increasing and will continue n that direction until it is stopped.
"The report suggests that U.S. foreign policy has played a big role in making the problem worse: "The rise in terrorist activity coincided with the US invasion of Iraq," it concludes. "This created large power vacuums in the country allowing different factions to surface and become violent." Indeed, among the five countries accounting for the bulk of attacks, the U.S. has prosecuted lengthy ground wars in two (Iraq and Afghanistan), a drone campaign in one (Pakistan), and airstrikes in a fourth (Syria)."
After 13 years, 2 wars and trillions in military spending, terrorist attacks are rising sharply - The Washington Post


Any ideas on how to combat international terrorism?
Yea. Stop taking actions that only increase international terrorism.
 
"The report suggests that U.S. foreign policy has played a big role in making the problem worse: "The rise in terrorist activity coincided with the US invasion of Iraq," it concludes. "This created large power vacuums in the country allowing different factions to surface and become violent." Indeed, among the five countries accounting for the bulk of attacks, the U.S. has prosecuted lengthy ground wars in two (Iraq and Afghanistan), a drone campaign in one (Pakistan), and airstrikes in a fourth (Syria)."
After 13 years, 2 wars and trillions in military spending, terrorist attacks are rising sharply - The Washington Post
With no mention at all of Obama pulling the troops from a "stable" Iraq? How can you take that seriously?
Yea. Stop taking actions that only increase international terrorism.
When do you suppose Islamic terrorism began?
 
More terrorist attacks happen when you are fighting a "war on terror". More people join terrorist groups when you are fighting a "war on terror". Sounds like this is never gonna end. Sound like our little "War" here is actually increasing terror.

Judging by the past, crime never stops, but sometimes peters out. You can only contain and fight it.
 
With no mention at all of Obama pulling the troops from a "stable" Iraq? How can you take that seriously?
Because: "The rise in terrorist activity coincided with the US invasion of Iraq. This created large power vacuums in the country allowing diferent factions to surface and become violent. Despite the fact that a government was formed and elections held, the country and region has been unstable ever since. In 2006 Nouri al-Maliki was appointed Prime Minister of Iraq. In the following year amid sectarian tensions Iraq sufered the worst year of terrorist activity recorded since 2000. It was only in 2013 with the rise of ISIL that Iraq sufered this same level of terrorism again."

--Despite Obama's rhetoric that Iraq was "stable" it was in fact not stable. It has been unstable since the invasion. The invasion created power vacuums and openings for radical groups to gain strength and in some aspects become popular. One of these groups that surfaced was Al-Qaeda in Iraq which later split to become ISIS. The "Obama pull out" of Iraq (which actually was more of Obama trying to keep troops in Iraq, which Maliliki, the US public, and the Iraqi government all saying a collective "no"). But to argue all we needed was to leave 5,000 (which Obama wanted), or even 3,000 (which others suggested) would of been enough to somehow stop the rise of ISIS in Iraq, to that I shall share what the Ambassador of Iraq from 2010-2012 said, " But the common argument that U.S. troops could have produced different Iraqi political outcomes is hogwash. The Iraqi sectarian divides, which ISIS exploited, run deep and were not susceptible to permanent remedy by our troops at their height, let alone by 5,000 trainers under Iraqi restraints." Max Boot: Obama's Tragic Iraq Withdrawal - WSJ

And as General Wesley Clark said: "I don’t think that keeping a few thousand troops in Iraq would have stopped ISIS. And it wouldn’t have fixed the Iraqi forces. " http://radio.foxnews.com/2014/10/11...onger-in-iraq-wouldnt-have-made-a-difference/

When do you suppose Islamic terrorism began?
When? No idea. When do you think it began?
 
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