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Most of America’s rich think the poor have it easy

Born Free said:
Get over yourself, now try your idea of cause. You wish to criticize others but offer no idea of your own. Coward
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I suggested inspecting the system in which these poverty levels arise.
 
Deuce said:
I suggested inspecting the system in which these poverty levels arise.
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What actually do you mean by "inspecting" the system? And what areas do you feel need scrutiny? It's easy to come up with meaningless nonsense, but really says nothing about what truly can be done, or would be done.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
That didn't happen in Latin America. When Chile, under Pinochet, tried these free market policies half the country plunged into poverty.
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Its happening RIGHT NOW in Argentina and Venezuela.

You got any better examples than a ruthless dictator ?
 
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And this is legal? Oh. My. God!
 
j-mac said:
What actually do you mean by "inspecting" the system? And what areas do you feel need scrutiny? It's easy to come up with meaningless nonsense, but really says nothing about what truly can be done, or would be done.
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Meaningless nonsense like "it's the culture," yes, I agree.
 
JANFU said:
Most of America’s rich think the poor have it easy - The Washington Post
Most of America's richest think poor people have it easy in this country, according to a new report released by the Pew Research Center. The center surveyed a nationally representative group of people this past fall, and found that the majority of the country's most financially secure citizens (54 percent at the very top, and 57 percent just below) believe the "poor have it easy because they can get government benefits without doing anything in return." America's least financially secure, meanwhile, vehemently disagree — nearly 70 percent say the poor have hard lives because the benefits "don't go far enough." Nationally, the population is almost evenly split.

Link to the report.
The Politics of Financial Insecurity | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press
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so why don't these rich people give it all up for the life of ease? I mean, it's easy and awesome--- they say so THEMSELVES!
 
Born Free said:
You don't think that some of the poor are because of their own choosing. You don't think that some poor are living off the tax payer and loving it. Have you ever thought that some will not work no matter what. Did you ever think that some would rather steel than work? Yes living on the tax payer for some is living the dream.
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Did you ever think that despite your rhetoric, what it means to have STRUCTURAL UNEMPLOYMENT in a country?
 
Fenton said:
Venezuela......Argentina....France.....Spain....Italy...Greece....America
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OK - Do you think poverty levels are to high when compared to other OECD countries?
 
SlevinKelevra said:
Did you ever think that despite your rhetoric, what it means to have STRUCTURAL UNEMPLOYMENT in a country?
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That from what I understand is the major difference in this recession compared to past recessions.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
odd that you left out examples on the other side of the "outcome"
of course, also odd that you picked france to include in that list.
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Why would that be odd....France has somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% UE rate....Isn't that too high?
 
JANFU said:
That from what I understand is the major difference in this recession compared to past recessions.
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No, the difference is Keynesian economic policies that have bloated our money supply, artificially propped up the stock market, and prolonged the recovery.
 
leoborn said:
And California leads the nation in the number of children living in Poverty! Why isn't Pelosi doing something for the poor in her State instead of being on the bandwagon shouting that the gas tax should be raised so she has more money to spend on what she wants, which isn't hungry children? Typical politician lying out of both sides of her mouth!
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"I'm outraged by the facts I made up!" Hahahaha. All the states with the highest percentage of children living in poverty are in the south, except Missouri. DC is all the way up there, but it isn't a state. Just on the issue of percentage of children living in poverty, California isn't doing as well as some of northern states, but it's warm and a lot of poor people go there to get rich or slowly die, so I'd say they've been doing pretty well for themselves.
 
The statement that elicited the ostensibly egregious response, by it's wording, implied comparison between today (when government benefits are available to help) vs. yesteryear when there weren't.

To ask if the rich REALLY think the poor have it easy, the question should not have included the word "today" to insinuate that comparison was the point.

The poor have it easy because they can collect government benefits. (False.... it's still not easy to be poor)
The poor have it easy today because they can collect government benefits. (True... There were no safety nets before the great society).

Adding the word "today" shifted the insinuated focus of the question.
 
Mustachio said:
"I'm outraged by the facts I made up!" Hahahaha. All the states with the highest percentage of children living in poverty are in the south, except Missouri. DC is all the way up there, but it isn't a state. Just on the issue of percentage of children living in poverty, California isn't doing as well as some of northern states, but it's warm and a lot of poor people go there to get rich or slowly die, so I'd say they've been doing pretty well for themselves.
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I see a few Northern, and north eastern states in the same boat as "the South".... California, and Texas lead....

Children in poverty (100 percent poverty) | KIDS COUNT Data Center
 
Fenton said:
Its happening RIGHT NOW in Argentina and Venezuela.

You got any better examples than a ruthless dictator ?
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Under the ruthless dictator, there were no social policies being done by the government when they pushed through their great Chicago Boy experiment. They basically took most, if not nearly all safety nets away. They basically went from around a 15% poverty rate to a 48% within short period of time. When they started to push back in some safety nets (near the end of his reign of terror), the poverty rate went down and continued to do so under other leaders after him. The leaders who continued to put back into place social safety nets that were taken away.

As far as Argentina goes:
The greatest vulnerability to poverty arises in periods of economic crises or prolonged sluggish growth, which reduces employment and earnings and limit the ability of the government to finance social programs that directly support the poor, according to the World Bank report dated Aug. 7 and made public last week. The institution approved lending Argentina as much as $4.8 billion through 2018 as the nation’s reserves dwindle. Argentina

We are talking structural adjustments, the whole sale and/or privatization and deregulations of government owned operations and the opening up of the market to the global economy which all led to its economic crisis.

They are now left very vulnerable as highlighted here: The multilateral organization estimates there is a poverty rate of about 11% in Argentina, but has highlighted that the country should “focus on the need to sustain social gains achieved in recent years and expand social inclusion in an efficient and sustainable manner.”

The World Bank report, published for internal use in August of this year but made public more recently, thus echoes warnings made by the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) about stalling social progress in the region.

Vulnerable populations, for the purposes of social policy, are those who have made it out of poverty but do not enjoy economic security like the middle class does. They live on an average 4 to 10 dollars a day and risk being clawed back under the poverty line by economic turmoil, recession or volatility. A third of Argentina's population 'vulnerable' to falling back into poverty, says World Bank — MercoPress
 
j-mac said:
Sorry, I got it wrong...The number I was looking at was the youth UE rate, which in France is around 24%, while overall UE is around 10.4%....But even with that, it isn't good...Even the clip you provided to me, says as much.
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Sure-- it's not "good" but the point was not all countries with (whatever buzzword) "errrmuuugod socialism {sic}" are in some unemployment hellhole. it was cherry picked data set (ignoring those countries with great employment levels) and had an incorrect data point to boot! LOL
 
SlevinKelevra said:
Sure-- it's not "good" but the point was not all countries with (whatever buzzword) "errrmuuugod socialism {sic}" are in some unemployment hellhole. it was cherry picked data set (ignoring those countries with great employment levels) and had an incorrect data point to boot! LOL
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So, it's the same argument...."It's not that Socialism ultimately fails, it's just that they either didn't do it right, or weren't allowed to do enough of it" amirite? At some point we have to understand that aspects of both Capitalism, and Socialism have to be there together in a fragile coexistence in order to work, and be compassionate. Either one on its own fails.
 
j-mac said:
So, it's the same argument...."It's not that Socialism ultimately fails, it's just that they either didn't do it right, or weren't allowed to do enough of it" amirite? At some point we have to understand that aspects of both Capitalism, and Socialism have to be there together in a fragile coexistence in order to work, and be compassionate. Either one on its own fails.
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assuming by "Socialism" you mean social safety/insurance programs and progressive taxes, then I'd agree. I hate how the word has been co-opted, but it is what it is....
 
SlevinKelevra said:
assuming by "Socialism" you mean social safety/insurance programs and progressive taxes, then I'd agree. I hate how the word has been co-opted, but it is what it is....
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Well, absolutely that is what I am talking about....I am quite certain that most are not in favor of the overreaching government control that comes with truly Socialist countries.
 
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