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Most of America’s rich think the poor have it easy

JANFU said:
Start with temp workers and schedules that change from day to day but they are left on call, in case they are needed. Many of these people work a number of low paid jobs and try to juggle schedules.
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Does not every country have that same problem, yet as you say we have 1 in 3 children living in poverty.
 
leoborn said:
And California leads the nation in the number of children living in Poverty! Why isn't Pelosi doing something for the poor in her State instead of being on the bandwagon shouting that the gas tax should be raised so she has more money to spend on what she wants, which isn't hungry children? Typical politician lying out of both sides of her mouth!
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Grand Mal said:
Another thing they tell each other is that the poor have 'an inability to defer gratification'.
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Well, they don't always defer gratification, but a side narrative from their perspective is: if it is nearly impossible to do much better, why should we remove daily pleasures from our lives.

It's a somewhat persuasive argument. If the well-to-do presume that hard times are more of an ephemeral presence rather than a sustained reality, you would think that the poor should defer from such pleasures. However, if the poor are correct that in order to even get the faintest of improvements, they have to sacrifice just about any and all pleasures for year after year with potentially no real end in sight, why should they ignore the pleasure principle all of the time?

I think a substantial number of the poor don't overspend on pleasures, but simply see the measly left-overs they have as something to get them through the day. A few moments of pleasure eases the sea of misery.
 
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Born Free said:
I am sure their are experts on the subject. Without any knowledge on the subject, I would guess however, it is our culture.
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Blaming "culture" is the easy way out. It lets you throw up your hands and not bother to actually inspect the system in which these poverty levels arise. You're really just saying "it's their own fault" but are being cowardly about it.
 
Born Free said:
Does not every country have that same problem, yet as you say we have 1 in 3 children living in poverty.
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Does poverty create more problems?
How does the US rate compared to developed countries?
Child poverty in the U.S. is among the worst in the developed world - The Washington Post

The United States ranks near the bottom of the pack of wealthy nations on a measure of child poverty, according to a new report from UNICEF. Nearly one third of U.S. children live in households with an income below 60 percent of the national median income in 2008 - about $31,000 annually.
 
JANFU said:
Yeah I guess being poor is living the dream. Clearly more people should aim for that dream of being poor.
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There will always be poor people and there will always be low life Political narratives based on creating division when none exist.

What's needed to help " poor people " isn't forced redistribution from Rich to poor.

That just makes more people poor as Government policies for the purpose of creating " equity " wind up sucking more and more discretionary income out of the wallets of the Middle class.

Think Argentina or Venezuela or France.

What helps poor people is a strong and healthy free market economy thats not being monkeyed with by the Government.
 
JANFU said:
Does poverty create more problems?
How does the US rate compared to developed countries?
Child poverty in the U.S. is among the worst in the developed world - The Washington Post

The United States ranks near the bottom of the pack of wealthy nations on a measure of child poverty, according to a new report from UNICEF. Nearly one third of U.S. children live in households with an income below 60 percent of the national median income in 2008 - about $31,000 annually.
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Progressive policies and Government intervention for the purpose of creating " economic equality " into the free markets always produce more poverty
 
JANFU said:
Does poverty create more problems?
How does the US rate compared to developed countries?
Child poverty in the U.S. is among the worst in the developed world - The Washington Post

The United States ranks near the bottom of the pack of wealthy nations on a measure of child poverty, according to a new report from UNICEF. Nearly one third of U.S. children live in households with an income below 60 percent of the national median income in 2008 - about $31,000 annually.
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How would you solve this?
 
I've seen refugees in war zones and poverty stricken Nations and
I think USA poor are much better off but only having lived in and been
exposed to the culture of this Nation don't have a realistic perspective
on their situation. They don't know real poverty because it is not on
their scale of measurement. I don't mean anything bad by what I'm saying,
just like pain is relative to the worst pain you have ever felt. Think about
that and someone that has experienced truly devastating pain. That person
has a completely different relativity, just like rich and poor. Extremes of the
same measurement. Bottomline is poor in the USA are a lot better off than
than poor in many Nations, but it's all relative.
 
Fenton said:
There will always be poor people and there will always be low life Political narratives based on creating division when none exist.

What's needed to help " poor people " isn't forced redistribution from Rich to poor.

That just makes more people poor as Government policies for the purpose of creating " equity " wind up sucking more and more discretionary income out of the wallets of the Middle class.

Think Argentina or Venezuela or France.

What helps poor people is a strong and healthy free market economy thats not being monkeyed with by the Government.
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That didn't happen in Latin America. When Chile, under Pinochet, tried these free market policies half the country plunged into poverty.
 
Fenton said:
Progressive policies and Government intervention for the purpose of creating " economic equality " into the free markets always produce more poverty
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Any proof on that?
 
Fenton said:
There will always be poor people and there will always be low life Political narratives based on creating division when none exist.

What's needed to help " poor people " isn't forced redistribution from Rich to poor.

That just makes more people poor as Government policies for the purpose of creating " equity " wind up sucking more and more discretionary income out of the wallets of the Middle class.

Think Argentina or Venezuela or France.

What helps poor people is a strong and healthy free market economy thats not being monkeyed with by the Government.
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Ever been poor, ever struggled from pay day to pay day. When 1 seemingly minor expense in your life is a huge impediment in anther's?

The economy of PT employment, of which many poor are a part of has changed diagrammatically over the last 10 years or so.
 
j-mac said:
How would you solve this?
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Me I am Canadian, No idea how your various programs work, but I am sure income cutoffs from benefits impact in the wrong way, instead a gradual decline so that would/could be in need of changing.
PT workers- defined schedules. is another.
Tell me as you live there.
 
JANFU said:
Me I am Canadian, No idea how your various programs work, but I am sure income cutoffs from benefits impact in the wrong way, instead a gradual decline so that would/could be in need of changing.
PT workers- defined schedules. is another.
Tell me as you live there.
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Well, I didn't start the thread, but as a Canadian what prompted you to want to start a thread on something you have no idea what you are talking about, as you so clearly state here?

So, hmmm..Interesting. You start a thread from a progressive media outlet without so much as commenting on it to kick it off, then when someone asks you to offer your ideas, you have nothing.....
 
leoborn said:
And California leads the nation in the number of children living in Poverty! Why isn't Pelosi doing something for the poor in her State instead of being on the bandwagon shouting that the gas tax should be raised so she has more money to spend on what she wants, which isn't hungry children? Typical politician lying out of both sides of her mouth!
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Haven't you heard? High gasoline taxes actually benefit the poor. :roll:
 
DaveFagan said:
I've seen refugees in war zones and poverty stricken Nations and
I think USA poor are much better off but only having lived in and been
exposed to the culture of this Nation don't have a realistic perspective
on their situation. They don't know real poverty because it is not on
their scale of measurement. I don't mean anything bad by what I'm saying,
just like pain is relative to the worst pain you have ever felt. Think about
that and someone that has experienced truly devastating pain. That person
has a completely different relativity, just like rich and poor. Extremes of the
same measurement. Bottomline is poor in the USA are a lot better off than
than poor in many Nations, but it's all relative.
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And that means it should not be addressed?
 
Fenton said:
Progressive policies and Government intervention for the purpose of creating " economic equality " into the free markets always produce more poverty
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The things these guys manage to convince themselves of.
 
j-mac said:
Well, I didn't start the thread, but as a Canadian what prompted you to want to start a thread on something you have no idea what you are talking about, as you so clearly state here?

So, hmmm..Interesting. You start a thread from a progressive media outlet without so much as commenting on it to kick it off, then when someone asks you to offer your ideas, you have nothing.....
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I am on other boards, where people from other countries bring up Canada problems.
Rules are clear on posting in MSM.
I left it open for discussion.
Does it matter where the facts come from?
Read my posts when you say I have noting. That is bad deflection, same as because I am canadian I should not post.
We have similar issues and same problems up here.
 
JANFU said:
I am on other boards, where people from other countries bring up Canada problems.
Rules are clear on posting in MSM.
I left it open for discussion.
Does it matter where the facts come from?
Read my posts when you say I have noting. That is bad deflection, same as because I am canadian I should not post.
We have similar issues and same problems up here.
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Nope, never said you shouldn't post, that is your strawman...It does matter where the polls come from, how the questions are asked, how it was polled, and whom they polled, so you're wrong there too...I have read your posts, and find them rather typical, and interchangeable....So if you have similar issues in Canada, then what would you do to solve these perceptions, and problems? That's all I asked, and instead of simply answering you get all defensive, and say you don't have any thoughts on a solution, so why should anyone even bother with this thread?

If I want to read the bird cage lining known as WaPo, I'll read it there.
 
JANFU said:
And that means it should not be addressed?
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No,. It means simply that the relativaty of the problem must be guaged accurately. I
just made an objective analysis of the problem acknowledging psychological factors. I
did not propose any political or social actions or inactions.
 
Deuce said:
Blaming "culture" is the easy way out. It lets you throw up your hands and not bother to actually inspect the system in which these poverty levels arise. You're really just saying "it's their own fault" but are being cowardly about it.
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Get over yourself, now try your idea of cause. You wish to criticize others but offer no idea of your own. Coward
 
JANFU said:
Most of America’s rich think the poor have it easy - The Washington Post
Most of America's richest think poor people have it easy in this country, according to a new report released by the Pew Research Center. The center surveyed a nationally representative group of people this past fall, and found that the majority of the country's most financially secure citizens (54 percent at the very top, and 57 percent just below) believe the "poor have it easy because they can get government benefits without doing anything in return." America's least financially secure, meanwhile, vehemently disagree — nearly 70 percent say the poor have hard lives because the benefits "don't go far enough." Nationally, the population is almost evenly split.

Link to the report.
The Politics of Financial Insecurity | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press
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I guess you would have to define "easy" before I couuld say whether I agree or not.


Compared to sudan's poor? they have it quite easy.
 
JANFU said:
Start with temp workers and schedules that change from day to day but they are left on call, in case they are needed. Many of these people work a number of low paid jobs and try to juggle schedules.
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I asked does not every country have the same problem with temp workers?

JANFU said:
Does poverty create more problems?
How does the US rate compared to developed countries?
Child poverty in the U.S. is among the worst in the developed world - The Washington Post

The United States ranks near the bottom of the pack of wealthy nations on a measure of child poverty, according to a new report from UNICEF. Nearly one third of U.S. children live in households with an income below 60 percent of the national median income in 2008 - about $31,000 annually.
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Then you come back with the above that has absolutely nothing do to with my question.
 
Born Free said:
I asked does not every country have the same problem with temp workers?



Then you come back with the above that has absolutely nothing do to with my question.
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My apologies- From what I have read many temps are on a flex schedule which changes quickly. From day to day these can change. Then notified they are on call, and not called in. A number of people with PT employment have more that 1 PT job.
I believe Congress is in the process of changing full time as defined by hr to 30. From what i recall it is around 40 now.
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