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donsutherland1 said:
There are many good people who are Muslims. That important point should not be ignored. The extreme acts carried out by Islamist terrorists should not be used to define the character of all Muslims.

Also, yesterday's edition of The New York Times profiled an Islamic scholar who teaches a perspective that differs greatly from that advanced by the radical Islamists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/w...orgotten-side-in-a-changing-germany.html?_r=0
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Is there anyone denying anything you said? Or is this entire thread just one big straw man?
 
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Hatuey said:
The myth that Muslims simply stand idle as terrorism attacks happen is nonsense. Muslim police officers and firefighters helped during 9/11. Muslim nurses healed the victims of the Boston bombings. Muslims risk their lives every single day fighting terrorism. Millions more demonstrate against terrorism. Many more denounce attempts to radicalize them. Why people still push the bull**** lie that Muslims "are silent" while these attacks are going on is beyond me. It may be genuine run of the mill ignorance. However, when some of the people doing it are self admitted Islamophobes, one can't help but think that there is something far more sinister behind their words.
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I agree with your larger point, but in all fairness, this guy wouldn't have known so far as I can tell that these were Muslims attacking the store. He heard gunfire and got people in a freezer. Good on him. I do not see that his religion really is relevant to what he did.
 
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lizzie said:
There is no American action done in the "name of Christianity" or the name of Jesus. This is not a religious war to us. Maybe it is to a portion of Muslim extremists, but over here, it's a secular issue. This country is not a "Christian nation". The majority of citizens may be Christian, but we don't live in a theocracy, and we aren't fighting terrorism on the basis of religious ideology.
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I'm going to give G.W. Bush credit for one thing: I believe that he made that clear shortly after this terrorism kerfuffle 1st kicked off.

But some people in the USA who belong to the evangelical far right still have their heads up their butts about all this.

I don't know of any cure for that-some people are going to be as stupid as they want to be.
 
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shrubnose said:
But some people in the USA who belong to the evangelical far right still have their heads up their butts about all this.
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I think there may be a small percentage of evangelicals who are crazy enough to think this is a religious war, but for the most part, even the staunch Christians don't see it that way. Although I am not Christian, nor outwardly religious, I have frequent exposure and interaction with them, as my family is just about as Christian-religious as you can get, but they don't discuss the war on terror from the perspective of religion. I am not a supporter of either of the actions which GW Bush initiated, and I never did support them. That being said, the ISIS issue is something that I think needs to be eradicated. Not because of their religion, but because they are criminally insane.
 
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shrubnose said:
How many people did it take to start the Christian religion? :roll:

Fill us in.




"The church is precisely that against which Jesus preached -- and against which he taught his disciples to fight." ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
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What? :lamo
 
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herenow1 said:
I'm a conservative, and a Christian and I believe even if Muslims did speak out( which they do, I don't know why people say they don't) that still wouldn't stop the crazies from killing. You can't reason with crazy!!
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I agree. Thats why there needs to be more than 45 examples of tweets and small statements of 'outrage'.
 
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VanceMack said:
I dont know if its more sad they actually believe it or if they know its bull**** and just spew it as a lie.
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These are the same folks who say all cops are racists.
 
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VanceMack said:
I agree. Thats why there needs to be more than 45 examples of tweets and small statements of 'outrage'.
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What percentage of 1 billion is 45?
 
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Henry David said:
Do you suppose that Christians too have the same obligation to cull the extremists? If so, how should this be done?
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Christians should...of course. They should vocally draw lines of distinction. They should shun them they should do everything in their power to ensure the group be remote and isolated (ala Westboro for example). They should ensure there be no safe haven within their church. They should move against them to shut off financial ties. And it should done 24/7...not just by holding up a little hashtag sign. It damn sure shouldnt be excused, or justified. There sho9uld defintely never be any of that inanae bull**** "well..you know...SURE it was wrong...but...you know...if you guys didnt make them angry....well...I mean...come on..at the end of the day, you had to expect something like that..."
 
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apdst said:
What percentage of 1 billion is 45?
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According to some, thats a majority.

I laughed out loud literally when I read the '45' ways muslims are taking a stand against fundamentalist extremists.

That **** is as pathetic and impotent as holding a sign saying "#bringbackourgirls"
 
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lizzie said:
I think there may be a small percentage of evangelicals who are crazy enough to think this is a religious war, but for the most part, even the staunch Christians don't see it that way. Although I am not Christian, nor outwardly religious, I have frequent exposure and interaction with them, as my family is just about as Christian-religious as you can get, but they don't discuss the war on terror from the perspective of religion. I am not a supporter of either of the actions which GW Bush initiated, and I never did support them.
That being said, the ISIS issue is something that I think needs to be eradicated. Not because of their religion, but because they are criminally insane.
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I totally agree, ISIS must be destroyed.
 
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VanceMack said:
According to some, thats a majority.

I laughed out loud literally when I read the '45' ways muslims are taking a stand against fundamentalist extremists.

That **** is as pathetic and impotent as holding a sign saying "#bringbackourgirls"
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Most of the 45 are politicians, so we have to take that for what it's worth...lol
 
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apdst said:
Most of the 45 are politicians, so we have to take that for what it's worth...lol
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Its the equivalent of having a son who is beasting the **** out of kids on playgrounds, having the cops come to your door about it, and declaring "son, its wrong for you to bully people" and think...phew! Well...I did MY part!

Its all made even worse when others say, "yes...he shouldnt bully, but that little Jones kid...he's a little asshole and I'm not saying he SHOULD be beaten down like bread dough...but...he DESERVES to be beaten down like bread dough."
 
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VanceMack said:
According to some, thats a majority.

I laughed out loud literally when I read the '45' ways muslims are taking a stand against fundamentalist extremists.

That **** is as pathetic and impotent as holding a sign saying "#bringbackourgirls"
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Michelle mounted an 18 character attack. That was highly effective, except the girls haven't been brought back. Lol.
 
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humbolt said:
Michelle mounted an 18 character attack. That was highly effective, except the girls haven't been brought back. Lol.
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But you cant say the fed didnt 'do something'. Back...what was that...2 years ago...

We had MO, we had a few ambassadors...I think there were some Hollywood stars...FFS...what more do you NEED to prove how much we are doing something?
 
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VanceMack said:
But you cant say the fed didnt 'do something'. Back...what was that...2 years ago...

We had MO, we had a few ambassadors...I think there were some Hollywood stars...FFS...what more do you NEED to prove how much we are doing something?
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No boots on the ground for that. Somebody could get hurt. Paper cuts are bad enough.
 
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VanceMack said:
Its the equivalent of having a son who is beasting the **** out of kids on playgrounds, having the cops come to your door about it, and declaring "son, its wrong for you to bully people" and think...phew! Well...I did MY part!

Its all made even worse when others say, "yes...he shouldnt bully, but that little Jones kid...he's a little asshole and I'm not saying he SHOULD be beaten down like bread dough...but...he DESERVES to be beaten down like bread dough."
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I believe they don't agree with how it was handled, but they certainly agree with it being handled.
 
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VanceMack said:
But you cant say the fed didnt 'do something'. Back...what was that...2 years ago...

We had MO, we had a few ambassadors...I think there were some Hollywood stars...FFS...what more do you NEED to prove how much we are doing something?
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There are a million people marching in Paris. I'm sure the terrs are shifting their pants over that.
 
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donsutherland1 said:
There are many good people who are Muslims. That important point should not be ignored. The extreme acts carried out by Islamist terrorists should not be used to define the character of all Muslims.

Also, yesterday's edition of The New York Times profiled an Islamic scholar who teaches a perspective that differs greatly from that advanced by the radical Islamists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/w...orgotten-side-in-a-changing-germany.html?_r=0
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All those good people are damned reluctant to take a meaningful stand against the ones who would murder in the name of Islam. That fact shouldn't be ignored, either.
 
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apdst said:
There are a million people marching in Paris. I'm sure the terrs are shifting their pants over that.
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They're not creaming them in ignorant glee, that much is true.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
They're not creaming them in ignorant glee, that much is true.
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What's your point?
 
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shrubnose said:
If you can use the word 'crusade', why can't others use it?

Fill us in.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
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You can use Inquisition instead ;)
 
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Henry David said:
If you're looking for a one word answer, how about "abortion"?

Otherwise, if for the sake of discussion we agree that the US is a "Christian nation" as so many people claim, I would say that much harm is brought by this Christian nation, including torture and military aggression. Professional deception has much to do with most americans being deceived about what really happened 13 years ago, so I do understand the enthusiasm most folks feel about the War On Terror, but YES, I do feel that many Christians need a serious "examination of conscience", as to what is done in their name and with their tax dollars by the government.
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Yep. You could also use 'creationism,' as in those trying to force it into science curricula.
 
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Apocalypse said:
First of all that claim isn't from FOX News.

Secondly, you claim that Monte's statement is a lie because Hamas claims something else, you take the words of the same kind of terrorists that committed the atrocities in Paris over those of Western newspapers and that says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about these papers.
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PoS said:
And that is exactly why I dont bother with Fox News because that claim is a lie.





So no such thing as a good Muslim in your view, eh? OK. :roll:
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The leaders of these terror groups are smart enough to realize that their success or failure hinges upon finances and recruitment. If Hamas can get more people buying into their hateful propaganda, the more money they will get and the longer their organization will last. It is marketing. They are also smart enough to know that if more money is going to ISIS, there will be less money for Hamas. (For example)

Also, the religion of Islam allows, no, commands, its followers to lie to the infidels (us!). This destroys any credibility of any statements coming from the Hamas leader!

I refuse to "stick my head in the sand" and hope and pray that the problem will just fade away. Don't forget 9-11!
And...don't think that it cannot happen again!
 
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