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APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo

What the **** happened to "her body, her choice"?

I think it's disgusting that people support violating her bodily autonomy this way. I find it confusing that so many who vehemently support her right to make decisions about her own pregnancy are supporting this violation.
 
Do you ever have any intelligent reply or do you just wander around babbling RW BS and insulting people? Suicide is not a freedom. Semper Fi, J-mac.
Ok, A Marine that isn't for standing on the side of freedom....We've come a long way since I was in I guess.
 
Big difference in 97 year old and a 17 year old, I have no problem with DNR's for people who rationally reach that decision due to medical problmes, quality of life, etc. But I do have a problem with unnecssary suicide.
Truthfully, I think there's a point at which it should be OK. I don't know what that point is. If someone is 95 and has had 2 heart attacks, maybe a DNR isn't out of the question. If you've already been through the ringer medically speaking maybe it's OK to accept that you will die.

I'm not saying that in this case the threshold has been reached. However, I do think there's a point where it's OK to let go and let nature take its course.
 
Who? I never realized so many people were pro sucide.
I think it's disgusting that people support violating her bodily autonomy this way. I find it confusing that so many who vehemently support her right to make decisions about her own pregnancy are supporting this violation.
 
I think it's disgusting that people support violating her bodily autonomy this way. I find it confusing that so many who vehemently support her right to make decisions about her own pregnancy are supporting this violation.

Same here. On the one hand people support her right to make decisions regarding her body. On the other hand, those same people don't support her right to make decisions regarding her body. How do you reconcile that?
 
Grumble - I think the real question is she mature enough to decide her own medical treatment. Her state's laws seem
To dicate that age is the primary deciding factor. I haven't thought much about this until now - but in general I err on the side of less government/more family intervention in these types of matters. It sounds as though her parents support her decision to refuse the treatment. I am going to check to see how many states have these mature minor statues. I wonder if there has been a case yet where the minor wants to refuse treatment, the parents disagree, and the court issues an opinion?

Welcome, and I think what you are proposing would be interesting....Say a girl of 17 get's pregnant, and her parents want her to have the baby, and they will help, or raise it themselves, and the girl wants an abortion....Who would win in that case?
 
How bout is she wanted to commit suicide while pregnant?
Welcome, and I think what you are proposing would be interesting....Say a girl of 17 get's pregnant, and her parents want her to have the baby, and they will help, or raise it themselves, and the girl wants an abortion....Who would win in that case?
 
Do you ever have any intelligent reply or do you just wander around babbling RW BS and insulting people? Suicide is not a freedom. Semper Fi, J-mac.

When posed with intelligent questions sure....But you get what you give there Marine....Semper Fi to you.
 
APNewsBreak: Girl says she knows she'll die without chemo






On one side, she's an idiot who can be cured. On the other, she has a right to be an idiot and die because of that. Not sure how I feel about this but I smell the anti-science stench a mile away.

She's a minor, so it's not her decision to make, thank heavens. Teenagers struggle to assert their own identities against the authority figures in their lives. This struggle can take on extreme forms for those teenagers under stress, even to the point of suicide.
 
How bout is she wanted to commit suicide while pregnant?

How do you know that her intent is to commit suicide? I think that is a gross mischaracterization of what has been stated as her reason....Seems to me this is little more than a teenager that dosen't want the "icky" stuff....In that case it is true that her parents should step up and not only explain to her what has to be done, but that they will be there with her....It sounds to me like a mom that want's to be more a friend than a parent...But it has NOTHING to do with her wanting to commit suicide....So, it would be nice if those wanting to flame the board could have a rational discussion without the conflation of peoples intent.
 
She's a minor, so it's not her decision to make, thank heavens. Teenagers struggle to assert their own identities against the authority figures in their lives. This struggle can take on extreme forms for those teenagers under stress, even to the point of suicide.

Right, and what happens when this sort of thing is no longer about a minor refusing chemo? What happens when it is about the State refusing treatment to say, you when you're 77, and need a liver transplant? or bypass surgery to live?

Won't it be great then that we confined this girl to a gurdy and shoved a needle in her arm at the point of a gun?
 
If you have a disease that almost certainly will kill you if you dont get it treated, and you will almost certainly be cured and live a long healthy life if you do, and you refuse that treatment, it is indeed suicide. Suicide is defined as the act of causing ones own death. She would be causing her own death.
How do you know that her intent is to commit suicide? I think that is a gross mischaracterization of what has been stated as her reason....Seems to me this is little more than a teenager that dosen't want the "icky" stuff....In that case it is true that her parents should step up and not only explain to her what has to be done, but that they will be there with her....It sounds to me like a mom that want's to be more a friend than a parent...But it has NOTHING to do with her wanting to commit suicide....So, it would be nice if those wanting to flame the board could have a rational discussion without the conflation of peoples intent.
 
You know of any 77 year olds getting a liver transplant now? Talk about flaming, "at the point of a gun?" comon man...
Right, and what happens when this sort of thing is no longer about a minor refusing chemo? What happens when it is about the State refusing treatment to say, you when you're 77, and need a liver transplant? or bypass surgery to live?

Won't it be great then that we confined this girl to a gurdy and shoved a needle in her arm at the point of a gun?
 
Welcome, and I think what you are proposing would be interesting....Say a girl of 17 get's pregnant, and her parents want her to have the baby, and they will help, or raise it themselves, and the girl wants an abortion....Who would win in that case?

If the state requires parent consent for abortion and the girl took her case to the courts than the courts would decide whether an abortion was allowed in that the case.

States have the right to take a compelling interest in the health/welfare of a minor.
 
There is not a " her body ,her choice" .

You might be confusing that with " right of privacy" , which only applies to certain zones of privacy regarding such things as marriage, child rearing, contraception, abortion, among a few others.

This most certainly is "her body, her choice" Minnie. It's her body and it should be her choice what medical procedures she decides her body will endure. You don't get to pick and choose the application of that thinking.
 
How do you know that her intent is to commit suicide? I think that is a gross mischaracterization of what has been stated as her reason....Seems to me this is little more than a teenager that dosen't want the "icky" stuff....In that case it is true that her parents should step up and not only explain to her what has to be done, but that they will be there with her....It sounds to me like a mom that want's to be more a friend than a parent...But it has NOTHING to do with her wanting to commit suicide....So, it would be nice if those wanting to flame the board could have a rational discussion without the conflation of peoples intent.

To the best of my knowledge, she has never said she wants to "commit suicide".
 
If you have a disease that almost certainly will kill you if you dont get it treated, and you will almost certainly be cured and live a long healthy life if you do, and you refuse that treatment, it is indeed suicide. Suicide is defined as the act of causing ones own death. She would be causing her own death.

You are using that description of what she is doing here dishonestly, to paint a picture of some depressed teen wanting to off herself...I believe that is done because you don't really have a good argument to the counter points addressed here, so you turn to inflammatory descriptors to incite....
 
If the state requires parent consent for abortion and the girl took her case to the courts than the courts would decide whether an abortion was allowed in that the case.

States have the right to take a compelling interest in the health/welfare of a minor.

Ok, so the state says that there is no health interest in her getting rid of that baby, so she is ordered to carry it to term...You'd have a cow, and you know it.
 
Ok, so the state says that there is no health interest in her getting rid of that baby, so she is ordered to carry it to term...You'd have a cow, and you know it.

If the state is willing to pay for it after? Sure. Why not. However, I'm sure there would be a few million conservatives crying foul at having to pay more in taxes for... the children of other people. If the state isn't willing to pay for the child after, it really has no place in telling her to keep it. Not that it did in the first place, women's reproductive choice and all of that. :shrug:
 
To the best of my knowledge, she has never said she wants to "commit suicide".

No, Of course there isn't....This is just a teenage girl that doesn't want to experience the discomfort of the treatment, and a mom who can't be adult enough to step in and get her to see the consequences of her decisions....I notice also that an article posted earlier (hat tip Minnie) said that the remission rate was 85% for 5 years....What about after that? What is the success rate after that? In the end I agree that she should get the chemo, but I just don't agree that the State should be forcing her at the point of a gun to do it.
 
You know of any 77 year olds getting a liver transplant now?

Why does that matter? Now I personally must know someone in order to present the scenerio? :roll:

Talk about flaming, "at the point of a gun?" comon man...

Yes, at the "point of a gun".... I assume that the Judge that ordered this had local police ensure that his orders were carried out? Are police armed?
 
If the state is willing to pay for it after? Sure. Why not. However, I'm sure there would be a few million conservatives crying foul at having to pay more in taxes for... the children of other people. If the state isn't willing to pay for the child after, it really has no place in telling her to keep it. Not that it did in the first place, women's reproductive choice and all of that. :shrug:

We already pay for millions of illegitimate children in this country....Ever heard of Aid to families with dependent children?
 
We already pay for millions of illegitimate children in this country....Ever heard of Aid to families with dependent children?

So what you're saying is that you'd be okay with paying a few more hundred bucks in taxes for say the... "40 million" supposedly aborted fetuses? Correct?
 
No, Of course there isn't....This is just a teenage girl that doesn't want to experience the discomfort of the treatment, and a mom who can't be adult enough to step in and get her to see the consequences of her decisions....I notice also that an article posted earlier (hat tip Minnie) said that the remission rate was 85% for 5 years....What about after that? What is the success rate after that? In the end I agree that she should get the chemo, but I just don't agree that the State should be forcing her at the point of a gun to do it.

As a mother I agree she should have the chemo treatments. But as an American I think it isn't my choice what she does, and I am firmly against the state deciding that she is capable of and authorized to make her own medical decisions some of the time but not all of the time. The same thing goes for her parents and how their decisions on what is right for her are being denied.
 
Its her body to do with what she pleases, so long as she isn't hurting others.
 
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