Obama Proposes 2 Years of Free Community College

[Henrin]

While restricting the number of people who can go to school would indeed prevent those people from acquiring college debt in the first place, you're also restricting those people to service positions.

The problem appears to be the cost associated with college, so the question I have for Obama and anyone else that supports giving away access to college is how does that lower cost? If the government stopped providing student loans and allowed the market to control interest rates colleges would no longer be capable of getting whatever they want out of people. They would have to deal with the fact that the government isn't acting as everyone's sugar daddy and price their product with some sort of restraint.

Yes, my solution isn't concerned with everyone getting access, and to be honest, the only solution that can truly maximize access is one that maximizes price.

 

[digsbe]

You do mean 40k per year, right?

Yes. 40k+ per year. Google the tuition for basically any professional doctoral program (MD, DO, PharmD, JD, etc.), even in state ones are usually 25k+ per year (not covering costs of living).

 

[Cardinal]

Yes. 40k+ per year.

Oof. The norm was 20-25 in my time.

 

[digsbe]

Oof. The norm was 20-25 in my time.

The interest rate has doubled/trippled too. I've heard in the past the interest rates were close to 3%, now they are 6-7%+. They went down a little, last year they were 6.8 for the capped Stafford and 7.9 for the Grad PLUS loans (no subsidized interest deferment either like in the past as well).

 

[Linc]

How about this headline?
Republicans refuse to even discuss this matter, as with your feelings about Sen. Reid ?

LOL where is the money going to come from? ol yea I know higher taxes.

There is no way that the republican congress will take this up.

I can already give you the Huffpo, MediaMatters and dailykos headlines.

Republicans refuse to let kids go to college.

 

[Cardinal]

Yes, my solution isn't concerned with everyone getting access,

That's specifically what I'm concerned with. I think the country's best path forward to assured dominance in the world is taking advantage of the potential intellectual wealth in our large population through the promotion of the best and smartest among us. Abandoning the poor to non-education just because they're poor is an extraordinary waste of intellectual resources and harms us all in the long run. Education is a massive investment -- just ask the Indian and Chinese governments that have been sending their citizens here to learn engineering and computer technology in our best technical universities for decades. No fools, they. And how are they doing now? Oh yeah, they're taking all our blue and white collar base.

 

[Cardinal]

The interest rate has doubled/trippled too. I've heard in the past the interest rates were close to 3%, now they are 6-7%+. They went down a little, last year they were 6.8 for the capped Stafford and 7.9 for the Grad PLUS loans (no subsidized interest deferment either like in the past as well).

I was able to pay off my student loans a couple years ago. In the current environment there's simply no way I could have pulled that off (at least not before forty).

 

[ludin]

How about this headline?
Republicans refuse to even discuss this matter, as with your feelings about Sen. Reid ?

they don't have to take up a bill if they don't want to.

regardless of what the president thinks. he has no power over what bills congress will take up or won't.

 

[Declan]

I don't see this as a wedge issue.

And I think that giving away two years of college is insane. Somebody will have to pay for those two years.

It is half the cost of the Bush tax cuts when those happened. Trailer park conservatives will see a light for their child; teachers will see a chance to pick up adjunct work. If this doesn't pass, you will see in November 2016 what you don't see today

 

[Linc]

Thank you for agreeing that the GOP House is what GOPs charged Sen. Reid was all about .

they don't have to take up a bill if they don't want to.

regardless of what the president thinks. he has no power over what bills congress will take up or won't.

 

[Declan]

You think kids with a C+ average are getting "good grades"?

doesn't matter where they draw the line.

 

[Declan]

Lol.....


" President Hillary Clinton " is just a bit less ridiculous than a Majority Democrat House.

Clintons influence in the Midterms was nada, zero, zilch.

Opposing it isn't Political suicide, because its a ridiculous idea.

It is a politically brilliant idea because the red state governorships will go down in the obstruction. You fail to recognize the willingness of people to jump ship for an election if there is a payoff for them---it is why liberal northern virginia turned out in droves for the GOP governor candidate a decade and a half or so just because he vowed to eliminate their personal property taxes on cars.

 

[ludin]

Thank you for agreeing that the GOP House is what GOPs charged Sen. Reid was all about .

no idea what you are talking about. have a nice day.

 

[ludin]

The problem appears to be the cost associated with college, so the question I have for Obama and anyone else that supports giving away access to college is how does that lower cost? If the government stopped providing student loans and allowed the market to control interest rates colleges would no longer be capable of getting whatever they want out of people. They would have to deal with the fact that the government isn't acting as everyone's sugar daddy and price their product with some sort of restraint.

Yes, my solution isn't concerned with everyone getting access, and to be honest, the only solution that can truly maximize access is one that maximizes price.

if anything it increases it.

higher demand equals more cost.

it means more classes more teachers more everything. you will see college prices go through the roof to meet the demand of students wanting to take classes.

 

[imagep]

Sounds to me like Obama is willing to do a little horse trading.

He sees the reality of the GOP controlling both houses and he knows that if he takes out his veto pen every time they send him a bill that the Democrats will feel the wrath at the polls in 2016. This smells like he's floating a deal...

I just commented on the same idea in another tread.

 

[Linc]

if anything it increases it.

higher demand equals more cost.

it means more classes more teachers more everything. you will see college prices go through the roof to meet the demand of students wanting to take classes.

Class sizes will simply get bigger--meaning lower cost per pupil.
Ever been involved in education ?

 

[nota bene]

That's specifically what I'm concerned with. I think the country's best path forward to assured dominance in the world is taking advantage of the potential intellectual wealth in our large population through the promotion of the best and smartest among us. Abandoning the poor to non-education just because they're poor is a massive waste of resources and harms us all in the long run. Education is a massive investment -- just ask the Indian and Chinese governments that have been sending their citizens here to learn engineering and computer technology in our best technical universities for decades. No fools, they. And how are they doing now? Oh yeah, they're taking all our blue and white collar base.

I agree with you about the enduring value of education and that it's absolutely worth the investment. You should ask those international students their opinions of their American classmates' academic maturity and work ethics. I'm not kidding.

 

[Linc]

If we can figure out a way to pay for it without hitting the middle class I'm all for it.
However, I think it should also include trade schools as college ain't for everyone.

I like your comment about trade schools.
Our local community college already has a huge trade school component.

Not to mention some students are already coming out of high school with the full 60 hours and an AA, but normally from 0-30 .

 

[Linc]

I agree with you about the enduring value of education and that it's absolutely worth the investment. You should ask those international students their opinions of their American classmates' academic maturity and work ethics. I'm not kidding.

Why the constant slam from conservatives on American students ?

 

[Cardinal]

Why the constant slam from conservatives on American students ?

Coming from an educator's standpoint myself, the American appreciation for education is utterly abhorrent. Americans can be counted on to be late and demand to be served. The Asians are there to learn, and they treat their teachers like gods.

 

[azgreg]

I like your comment about trade schools.
Our local community college already has a huge trade school component.

Same around here, but not all trades are covered.

Not to mention some students are already coming out of high school with the full 60 hours and an AA, but normally from 0-30 .

Those are students who more than likely don't need any help. Students out of Honors and AP programs are in great shape for scholarships to 4 years schools.

 

[Henrin]

That's specifically what I'm concerned with. I think the country's best path forward to assured dominance in the world is taking advantage of the potential intellectual wealth in our large population through the promotion of the best and smartest among us. Abandoning the poor to non-education just because they're poor is an extraordinary waste of intellectual resources and harms us all in the long run. Education is a massive investment -- just ask the Indian and Chinese governments that have been sending their citizens here to learn engineering and computer technology in our best technical universities for decades. No fools, they. And how are they doing now? Oh yeah, they're taking all our blue and white collar base.

The only way I can see to increase access to education and lower costs is if there was more players in the field. Just throwing all your eggs in one basket and giving away the service for free will get you what you're after, but it will come at a high price.

 

[ludin]

Class sizes will simply get bigger--meaning lower cost per pupil.
Ever been involved in education ?

:roll:

can only fit so many people into a classroom that ever heard of fire safety codes?

 

[Linc]

Same around here, but not all trades are covered.
Those are students who more than likely don't need any help. Students out of Honors and AP programs are in great shape for scholarships to 4 years schools.

But they save a hell of a lot of money, honors or not.
I wish I could have gotten one year of gen eds out of the way back when I graduated HS in 1971.

Here in IL, it's been a matter of common-sense.
The first child, often very wild, goes to an expensive 4-year and screws the pooch, ending up back at CC 2nd semester or 2nd year.
Parents simply won't give the next in line the same chance to screw up and waste tens of thousands they can't afford .

 

[Cardinal]

The only way I can see to increase access to education and lower costs is if there was more players in the field. Just throwing all your eggs in one basket and giving away the service for free will get you what you're after, but it will come at a high price.

Or regulate the educational industry and lower interest rates and/or free education.