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Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

Agreeing that someone should be fired from his job for expressing beliefs that you find disagreeable certainly constitutes intolerance.

Why do you keep lying about what people are saying?

He wasn't fired for "expressing beliefs." He was fired for pushing hateful religious beliefs onto subordinates under cover of authority.

If you are my employee, do you really think you have the right to push your religious books onto subordinates on company time? Are you really telling me you think the first amendment covers that?
 
Nevertheless, he is a citizen of the United States, and therefore, every bit as entitled to his rights under the First Amendment as every other citizen. Nothing in the First Amendment allows the rights that it affirms to be denied as a condition of working for the government. Same as the rest of the Bill of Rights.

This falls under not being able to yell fire in a crowded movie theater. There are exceptions to ALL of the First Amendment rights.
 
Adultry harms the spouse that is being cheated on. Homosexuality harms no one and is only between the people who are in a relationship with each other.

Homosexuality is degrading to those who engage in it, and to the society that embraces it. To think that it is any less harmful than adultery is to be deluded. All sexual immorality is harmful.
 
Homosexuality is degrading to those who engage in it, and to the society that embraces it. To think that it is any less harmful than adultery is to be deluded. All sexual immorality is harmful.

See, it is your opinion that it is harmfull and that doesnt count as actual harm. You have to be able to actually show the harm.
 
Homosexuality is degrading to those who engage in it, and to the society that embraces it. To think that it is any less harmful than adultery is to be deluded. All sexual immorality is harmful.

It's not immoral. You are wrong.
 
This falls under not being able to yell fire in a crowded movie theater. There are exceptions to ALL of the First Amendment rights.

Really?

The point of the classic “yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded theater” metaphor is that one is not allowed to exercise a right in a manner that creates a clear danger to others.

What clear danger does a fire chief create by writing a book that stands for decent moral values?
 
Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

I am not ducking anything. I am just not giving you the answer you are fishing for to try to prove some sort of point in your head. A person has to actually do something to cause a hostile work enviroment. It cant be just because the person exists. For example, handing out a book that has nothing to do with their job to their subordinates.

if i had a good relationship with a co-worker, i would be disappointed if that friendly co-worker chose NOT to share a copy of his work with me. just as i would a musician co-worker who released a musical recording
 
Only if you “interpret” it to require the exact censorship and suppression that it explicitly prohibits.

It's not censorship. He's an employee, on "company" time. He can be terminated for wasting it.
 
Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

if i had a good relationship with a co-worker, i would be disappointed if that friendly co-worker chose NOT to share a copy of his work with me. just as i would a musician co-worker who released a musical recording

You've swapped co-worker for boss, for some reason, and left out the whole public employee thing. So yeah I guess your completely different situation is worth talking about!
 
A fire chief is a public servant and not a lawmaker.

yes, he is a public servant
but that servitude to the public does not deprive him of his right to free speech, speaking out on his own behalf, evoking his personal views

now, show me where he engaged in biased behavior while on the job and i will defect to your position
 
yes, he is a public servant
but that servitude to the public does not deprive him of his right to free speech, speaking out on his own behalf, evoking his personal views

now, show me where he engaged in biased behavior while on the job and i will defect to your position

He's an employee on the job. It's not a free speech issue to fire someone for violating policy while on the job.
 
Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

if i had a good relationship with a co-worker, i would be disappointed if that friendly co-worker chose NOT to share a copy of his work with me. just as i would a musician co-worker who released a musical recording

Two people can be in agreement but it is still inappropriate for a supervisor.
 
He wasn't fired for "expressing beliefs." He was fired for pushing hateful religious beliefs onto subordinates under cover of authority.


No rebuttal, predictable. Next.

I was pointing out that you're speaking with a forked tongue.

Where you say, “pushing hateful religious beliefs”, it means exactly the same thing as “expressing beliefs”. You don't like the beliefs that he was expressing, so you characterize it as “pushing hateful religious beliefs” and try to treat it as if the different wording carries a different meaning. You're willfully engaging in doublespeak.
 
Really?

The point of the classic “yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded theater” metaphor is that one is not allowed to exercise a right in a manner that creates a clear danger to others.

What clear danger does a fire chief create by writing a book that stands for decent moral values?

Nothing about writing it just giving it to subordinates in producing a hostile work environment.
 
I was pointing out that you're speaking with a forked tongue.

Where you say, “pushing hateful religious beliefs”, it means exactly the same thing as “expressing beliefs”. You don't like the beliefs that he was expressing, so you characterize it as “pushing hateful religious beliefs” and try to treat it as if the different wording carries a different meaning. You're willfully engaging in doublespeak.

Everything the boss does carries authority with it. It's pushing.

And those beliefs are hateful, so that's accurate.
 
yes, he is a public servant
but that servitude to the public does not deprive him of his right to free speech, speaking out on his own behalf, evoking his personal views

now, show me where he engaged in biased behavior while on the job and i will defect to your position
A boss giving out books to subordinates expressing religious beliefs causes a hostile work environment to his subordinates who don't hold those beliefs.
 
Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

You've swapped co-worker for boss, for some reason, and left out the whole public employee thing. So yeah I guess your completely different situation is worth talking about!

possibly you had access to information which was not present in the linked cite within the OP
nowhere in what i read did the fire chief compel his subordinates to do anything relative to his publication
he gifted it to co-workers, including the mayor, to whom he was a subordinate
he may have gifted it to subordinate coworkers
why would that be problematic
and for extra credit, why would that rise to the level of being justification for the fire chief's termination
 
He's an employee on the job. It's not a free speech issue to fire someone for violating policy while on the job.

and what actions did he take, in his professional capacity, which gave cause for termination
 
Re: Atlanta Fire Chief: I was fired because of my Christian faith

Two people can be in agreement but it is still inappropriate for a supervisor.
what was inappropriate about gifting a copy of his publication to coworkers

now, if he compelled subordinate coworkers to read his work, then that would have been an abuse of his authority
but there is no indication such abuse is found
 
A boss giving out books to subordinates expressing religious beliefs causes a hostile work environment to his subordinates who don't hold those beliefs.

what did he do wrong by gifting to coworkers a copy of his publication

that they received a gift from him did nothing compelling to/against them. they did not have to accept it, nor did they have to read it
at least from my limited reading of the account
 
Haters gotta hate, but they also gotta be punished for it.
 
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