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Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

blaxshep said:
I'm not a liberal. The government has an obligation not to endorse any religion. It has no place in government. If you want a government that is a theocracy go join ISIS.
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so just to be clear: if he was giving out pamphets of pro-athiest ideology you would still support the guy being fired, right?
 
iguanaman said:
Govt. officials promoting religious views violates the separation of church and state. Why is that so difficult for you? You want a theocracy?
What if he was a Muslim handing out Jihad pamphlets? Still OK with you?
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It says no where that he did it AT WORK.
 
blaxshep said:
I'm not a liberal. The government has an obligation not to endorse any religion. It has no place in government. If you want a government that is a theocracy go join ISIS.
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Nice straw man. And if you don't wish to be labeled a liberal don't engage in such dishonesty. According to the OP he wasn't fired for distributing religious material but far taking a dim view of a protected class. In a choice between an intolerant, leftist despotism and a theocracy, I am not seeing such differing alternatives.
 
WCH said:
What part of "politically powerful" escapes you?
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So the internal HR policies that almost every place of employment in this country has about nondescrimination was not part of this decision? This is your stance?
 
WCH said:
It's says so in the second paragraph.
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Mr. Reed had suspended Mr. Cochran for a month without pay in November, opening an investigation into whether Mr. Cochran’s authorship and distribution of the book to workers violated the city’s nondiscrimination policies. That move sparked a debate about religious liberty and freedom of expression: Last month, the 1.4-million member Georgia Baptist Convention began an online petition that called for Mr. Cochran’s reinstatement and suggested his First Amendment rights had been violated.
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point covered by this paragraph:
1. cochran was suspended for distributing a book in a manner which violates HR policies
2. This sparked a debate among groups that are not the fire department or city of atlanta
3. there was a petition.

So where does it state anything about gay and lesbian groups in this paragraph?
 
Fletch said:
Nice straw man. And if you don't wish to be labeled a liberal don't engage in such dishonesty. According to the OP he wasn't fired for distributing religious material but far taking a dim view of a protected class. In a choice between an intolerant, leftist despotism and a theocracy, I am not seeing such differing alternatives.
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Now homosexuals are a protected class ... :lamo
 
The Mayor's office use discrimination as an excuse for the firing not, pushing religion in the work place.

The Mayor is doing a little political CYA
 
WCH said:
The Mayor's office use discrimination as an excuse for the firing not, pushing religion in the work place.

The Mayor is doing a little political CYA
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And your proof of this is?
 
tacomancer said:
point covered by this paragraph:
1. cochran was suspended for distributing a book in a manner which violates HR policies
2. This sparked a debate among groups that are not the fire department or city of atlanta
3. there was a petition.

So where does it state anything about gay and lesbian groups in this paragraph?
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Sorry, the third paragraph.
 
WCH said:
The Mayor's office use discrimination as an excuse for the firing not, pushing religion in the work place.

The Mayor is doing a little political CYA
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So let me get this straight, the Mayor's office discriminated against Mr. Cochran for discriminating against homosexuals?
 
tacomancer said:
So the internal HR policies that almost every place of employment in this country has about nondescrimination was not part of this decision? This is your stance?
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There was no discrimination. [except against Cochran] It was totally imagined by the Mayor's office.
 
WCH said:
Sorry, the third paragraph.
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The matter also presents a challenge for Mr. Reed, a second-term Democrat who presides over a metropolis whose social mosaic is defined by strong expressions of Christianity and large and politically powerful gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual groups.
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points covered in this paragraph (which is a whole sentence ..., not exactly a paragraph (*jokingly shakes his fist at news paper people*))

Mr Reed has some political challenges between opposing lobby groups

Ok, this still does not say the homosexuals or bisexuals directly caused this firing...

so, do you have any proof?
 
WCH said:
There was no discrimination. [except against Cochran] It was totally imagined by the Mayor's office.
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So the Mayor's office imagined that Mr. Cochran gave workers a religious book he wrote containing passages that condemn homosexuality?
 
tacomancer said:
points covered in this paragraph (which is a whole sentence ..., not exactly a paragraph (*jokingly shakes his fist at news paper people*))

Mr Reed has some political challenges between opposing lobby groups

Ok, this still does not say the homosexuals or bisexuals directly caused this firing...

so, do you have any proof?
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Wanna bet? Who do you think gets these non-discrimination laws enacted?
 
WCH said:
There was no discrimination. [except against Cochran] It was totally imagined by the Mayor's office.
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anti-descrimination policies are a standard set of HR policies in any place of employment, why do you somehow think the city of atlanta is unusual in this regard?
 
WCH said:
Wanna bet? Who do you think gets these non-discrimination laws enacted?
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WCH said:
There was no discrimination. [except against Cochran] It was totally imagined by the Mayor's office.
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which is it, are there laws or policies he crossed created by the gay agenda or was it totally imaginary? you are making inconsistent arguments.
 
blaxshep said:
So the Mayor's office imagined that Mr. Cochran gave workers a religious book he wrote containing passages that condemn homosexuality?
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No,

“Despite my respect for Chief Cochran’s service, I believe his actions and decision-making undermine his ability to effectively manage a large, diverse work force,” Mr. Reed said. “Every single employee under the fire chief’s command deserves the certainty that he or she is a valued member of the team and that fairness and respect guide employment decisions.”

In the Mayor's opinion, Cochran *might* discriminate due to his held beliefs.
 
WCH said:
Wanna bet? Who do you think gets these non-discrimination laws enacted?
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So it is your stance that we should allow discrimination in the public work place and it is a form of discrimination not to?
 
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