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Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

No lessons learnt yet? This has been going on for donkey years. What took place does not surprise me one bit. They hit out of the blues.

Nothing those animals do surprises me either so don't preach to me about lessons learnt.
 
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A family saw their loved one in the police gunned down on a sidewalk because the magazine staff intentionally inflamed tensions instead of showing some responsibility and restraint. Freedoms are meaningless if people do not exercise those rights responsibly. It isn't like they did not know they were feeding hate while hiding behind those police officers forced to protect them. Is your life worth a cartoon being published?

This simply makes me angry. An undefended freedom is one that will be lost. Those who believe as you do will wonder why no one prevented the losses that will come.

No. It is time to rise up and insist that our government serve in its first capacity, not to clothe us nor feed us nor pay for our health care. But to defend us from foreign enemies like Islamofascists and border jumpers. But also from internal enemies who would willingly give up liberty.

Go put on your chains now and bow down to the ones who might let you live if your pay their tax.
 
No lessons learnt yet? This has been going on for donkey years. What took place does not surprise me one bit. They hit out of the blues.

If the supposed lesson is aimed at bolstering a retreat on free expression, it won't happen and it must not happen. Free expression, not all of which is tasteful and some of which can shock the senses, is the lifeblood of creativity, innovation, and human progress. France in particular in the wake of the terrorist attack and the West in general cannot afford to yield on this core freedom without sacrificing far more than any supposed reduction in fear might produce. Indeed, if France or the West retreated, secular government might well become the next target in future attacks?
 
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why should innocent people;e be bared from coming hear based on their faith its un American

This country belongs to its citizens. It does not belong to Islamofascists who want to seize it.

Why do you stand with Islamofascists?
 
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It is is also highly political. Religion was the means to cement followers for conquest.

We can stop inviting Islamofascists into this country. We can also insist on assimilation. Anything less puts the nation farther along the path to national suicide. There are many here on visas. We can track them and ensure they leave when their visas expire.

We have enough cockroaches and scorpions of our own. We do need to stop bringing more in.

I dislike Islam immensely, but a right is a right, if they come and preach and shout allahuh ak****whatever those inferior religious sayings are, so long as they do not break the law and harm others, they are free to do so.

Absolutely, 100% free to do so.

Not a tihng you can do, not a thing I can do, not a thing we can do.

I understand that Islam has a history of intertwining itself with the politics of the ME and still does so to an unparalleled degree, that was not the original point I made when addressing spartan, that was a made up point from a certain fool who decided to misquote people (which this fool has a bad habit of doing).
 
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From the BBC:

...the lawyer for Charlie Hebdo, Richard Malka, confirmed that next week's edition of the magazine would go ahead on Wednesday and would have a print run of one million, instead of the normal 60,000 copies.

BBC News - Charlie Hebdo massacre: Suspects 'rob service station'

This is good news. It is vitally important that the terrorists and others who might seek to stifle free expression understand that they will not succeed.
 
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why should innocent people;e be bared from coming hear based on their faith its un American

Well how many times do they have to prove themselves as a violent and blood thirsty group before we wake up and bar them from coming here.
 
If the supposed lesson is aimed at bolstering a retreat on free expression, it won't happen and it must not happen. Free expression, not all of which is tasteful and some of which can shock the senses, is the lifeblood of creativity, innovation, and human progress. France in particular in the wake of the terrorist attack and the West in general cannot afford to yield on this core freedom without sacrificing far more than any supposed reduction in fear might produce. Indeed, if France or the West retreated, secular government might well become the next target in future attacks?

Free expression demolishing a religion has no place in Asia.
 
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Not much diversity within the ME.
How have you arrived at that conclusion?

I was talking about Islamic sects and secularists etc,not racial diversity.
 
Found this on Facebook

‘Je suis Charlie’? No, You’re Not, or Else You Might Be Dead

One of the spontaneous social-media reactions to the Charlie Hebdo massacre today was the Twitter hashtag #JeSuisCharlie ("I am Charlie"). It's an admirable sentiment, resonant with the classic post-9/11 Le Monde cover "Nous sommes tous Americains." It's also totally inaccurate.

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So no, we're all not Charlie—few of us are that good, and none of us are that brave. If more of us were brave, and refused to yield to the bomber's veto, and maybe reacted to these eternally recurring moments not by, say, deleting all your previously published Muhammad images, as the Associated Press is reportedly doing today, but rather by routinely posting newsworthy images in service both to readers and the commitment to a diverse and diffuse marketplace of speech, then just maybe Charlie Hebdo wouldn't have stuck out so much like a sore thumb. It's harder, and ultimately less rewarding to the fanatical mind, to hit a thousand small targets than one large one.

And it's not just those of us in the media business who have failed to be Charlie Hebdo. Every person in the broader West, whether it be a Financial Times editor or the president of the United States, who wrongly thinks that speech should not offend, and falsely believes that artistic commentary can somehow incite murderous violence, are also contributing to an ever-worsening cultural climate of speech, and therefore freedom.

Today is an awful day for the basic project of free inquiry. Do you really wanna be Charlie Hebdo? Then get on out there, live and speak bravely. And God help you.
 
Freedom of expression does not give you the licence to make a mockery of religion. Charlie Hebdo planted the time bomb and it exploded.

Freedom of speech does give you the freedom to mock a religion.

You're blaming the journos at the magazine for the attack on them. Blame those who perpetrated the attack.
 
Freedom of speech does give you the freedom to mock a religion.

I'm pretty sure mocking things is a natural right, as a harmless expression. Opposing mockery only serves extreme nationalist or religious elements.

What kind of faith does one have in opposing religious mockery.
 
Freedom of expression does not give you the licence to make a mockery of religion. Charlie Hebdo planted the time bomb and it exploded.

If you don't know what freedom of speech means you better avoid using the term.
Just a small advice.
 
Freedom of expression does not give you the licence to make a mockery of religion. Charlie Hebdo planted the time bomb and it exploded.

And what do they deserve for their expression?
 
I also live in a Muslim country and most of the time considered 3rd world citizen, have hard time at visas etc.

I know its very difficult to make any distinction when looking at a country from outside and far away and make any specific observations. But considering Turkey its very obvious that there are around %10 - 15 population that live by the western standards.

I am not saying let us immigrate to your countries, I am trying to point out, maybe its also time that west turn their eyes to the situation in Turkey.. Islam is taking over here by the use of democracy and uneducated population. Maybe take some example and be proactive where you live..

ISIS is being supported by masses, also armed and financed by the government...

Everything that happens, is explained by conspiracy theories, even the attack on Paris raised some doubts on morons out here, saying its west trying to show Islam is violent.. The Ignorace is unbearable but its a fact... And trying to live through it is a torture don't make the same mistake. And really be careful..
 
Freedom of speech does give you the freedom to mock a religion.

You're blaming the journos at the magazine for the attack on them. Blame those who perpetrated the attack.

Read your blasphemy statutes.

In the United States, a law against blasphemy, or a prosecution on that ground, would violate the American Constitution. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..." While there are no federal laws which forbid "religious vilification" or "religious insult" or "hate speech", some states have blasphemy statutes.
 
If you don't know what freedom of speech means you better avoid using the term.
Just a small advice.

Avoid? I can talk bull**** and its freedom of expression.
 
Freedom of expression does not give you the licence to make a mockery of religion. Charlie Hebdo planted the time bomb and it exploded.



**** that puritanical noise. if a mockery of your religion makes you want to kill people, you have no faith.
 
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