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Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

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Yes it does, you think Muslims became refugees voluntarily? You think they became radicalized the moment they were born?

That is the root of the problem but of course since you want these military interventions to continue you like to hide that fact.

Yes....
 
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I strongly disagree here. There can be extremism in all forms of religion, whether it be Muslim, or even Christian. 2 examples here.....

1) In Houston, there is both a Jewish community and a Muslim community. Both communities get along with each other fine, and Muslims have Jewish friends and Jews have Muslim friends. These are not extremists.

2) On the other hand, you do have your Timothy McVeighs, David Koreshes, abortion doctor murderers, those who lynched black people in the South in the 20th Century, and the like, who have claimed to be devout Christians. Of course, we are talking extremists here.

Take any religion to it's extreme, and you will find murder. There is a reason we have less of it than other nations. We have strong laws, and they do work to an extent to keep the nutters from creating mayhem and terror in the USA.

On the other hand, I am not going to blame all of Islam for what extremists do in the name of that religion. If I did, then it would only be fair to blame all of Christianity for the acts of Timothy McVeigh, abortion doctor murderers, those who lynched blacks in the South, and the likes of David Koresh and Jim Jones. They do not represent Christianity any more than the Paris terrorists represent Islam.

I LOVE the arguement you just posted...that all religions to date, have their extremists.

So let's do some math, shall we?

Cite for us the amount killed in the name of Allah by suicide bombings, beheadings, kidnappings...etc in just the past 10 years.

Then, cite for us the amount killed in the name of Jesus Christ in the past 50 years.

Also, cite the frequency... the result? Islam, contemporary islam, is nothing but terror. Thank you for replying!
 
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Not possible, Paris has strict gun control laws.

Parisian gun laws are so strict, that the cops responded, unarmed.
 
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I LOVE the arguement you just posted...that all religions to date, have their extremists.

So let's do some math, shall we?

Cite for us the amount killed in the name of Allah by suicide bombings, beheadings, kidnappings...etc in just the past 10 years.

Then, cite for us the amount killed in the name of Jesus Christ in the past 50 years.

Also, cite the frequency... the result? Islam, contemporary islam, is nothing but terror. Thank you for replying!

Torqemada would disagree with you here. He was responsible for the slaughter of many thousands of Jews and non-believers in the Middle Ages. He, of course, represented the Catholic Church.
 
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Well you wouldnt have had these radical elements if France and the rest of the West hadnt screwed up their countries of origin in the first place.

I am afraid to say that the colonial shutdown was rather a mess.
 
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Torqemada would disagree with you here. He was responsible for the slaughter of many thousands of Jews and non-believers in the Middle Ages. He, of course, represented the Catholic Church.

How is that relevant to anything i just posted. Did you read it? I said contemporary, and the past 50 years.

Are you refusing to answer my questions?

Other religions evolved. Except islam. Fact.
 
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Yeah, I guess it's too damn bad that here in the US we have a little thing called "freedom of religion."

When it comes to Christianity, it seems the message from the left is more like "freedom from religion".

Sorry for the interruption.
 
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Islam is not a religion is a political system mixed with religion.

Now we know you don't mean that.

Otherwise, get rid of that freaking "libertarian" designation for your political lean because I think I know exactly where you're going with this.
 
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How is that relevant to anything i just posted. Did you read it? I said contemporary, and the past 50 years.

Are you refusing to answer my questions?

Other religions evolved. Except islam. Fact.

The reason it is so low in the US NOW is because of our laws, which keep the Christian nutters from doing the same. But our laws did not always protect people. The Arawak Indians, which were the first tribe encountered by Columbus, were completely exterminated, and we committed genocide against Indians here, in the name of Manifest Destiny, which was a concept created by Christians here in the US. Millions of blacks died under slavery, and thousands more were lynched in the South, much of it in the name of Christianity. There is a reason that anti-abortionists and people like Fred Phelps only protest instead of murder today, and that is because they understand the consequences of breaking the strong laws that we have against that kind of activity. But what they have done is not Christian at all, just extremism, which does not represent Christ.

Here is the deal. I work for an Iranian company. The President of the company is Baha'i', and many of our customers are Muslim. I have Muslim friends, and they are just as American as you are. Many of them fly the American flag in their front yard, and are patriotic. So when I see people like you post slander against them, I see it for what it is.... Bigotry. And yes, what you are posting is exactly that.... Slander, racism, and hatred. You seek to stain a whole race of people with what extremists do. It is exactly this kind of mindset that allowed Hitler to murder 6 million Jews. He made them look subhuman enough that it seemed only right to murder them. This is exactly what you are doing against Muslims..... Make them look subhuman, so that murdering them is OK, because after all, they are all murderers anyways.
 
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Now we wait to see how France; and the west, deal with this. In a very narrow scope or in a broad defensive manner. I'm for the latter. It's also probably wise for Muslims in France to stay off the streets for a while, however I don't think that France will invading Iraq.
 
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How is that relevant to anything i just posted. Did you read it? I said contemporary, and the past 50 years.

Are you refusing to answer my questions?

Other religions evolved. Except islam. Fact.

To the leftist, the Dark Ages never ended.
 
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The reason it is so low in the US NOW is because of our laws, which keep the Christian nutters from doing the same. But our laws did not always protect people. The Arawak Indians, which were the first tribe encountered by Columbus, were completely exterminated, and we committed genocide against Indians here, in the name of Manifest Destiny, which was a concept created by Christians here in the US. Millions of blacks died under slavery, and thousands more were lynched in the South, much of it in the name of Christianity. There is a reason that anti-abortionists and people like Fred Phelps only protest instead of murder today, and that is because they understand the consequences of breaking the strong laws that we have against that kind of activity. But what they have done is not Christian at all, just extremism, which does not represent Christ.

Here is the deal. I work for an Iranian company. The President of the company is Baha'i', and many of our customers are Muslim. I have Muslim friends, and they are just as American as you are. Many of them fly the American flag in their front yard, and are patriotic. So when I see people like you post slander against them, I see it for what it is.... Bigotry. And yes, what you are posting is exactly that.... Slander, racism, and hatred. You seek to stain a whole race of people with what extremists are doing. It is exactly this kind of mindset that allowed Hitler to murder 6 million Jews. He made them look subhuman enough that it seemed only right to murder them. This is exactly what you are doing against Muslims..... Make them look subhuman, so that murdering them is OK, because after all, they are all murderers anyways.

Just three questions;

Do you disagree that most Muslim population is unedcutated, and lack logical reasoning?

Do you disagree that Muslim population can't integrate to the social life of the country they migrated to?

Aren't they obliged to integrate to a country's social life, laws and values?
 
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Reading this thread, I was disheartened to see some blame placed on the publication's staff, editors, and/or cartoonists. I vigorously disagree, even as I might not like some of the content in question. IMO, John Stuart Mill made among the strongest arguments for free speech (a free press can logically be viewed as an extension of free speech) in On Liberty. He wrote:

First, if any opinion is compelled to silence, that opinion may, for aught we can certainly know, be true. To deny this is to assume our own infallibility.

Secondly, though the silenced opinion be an error, it may, and very commonly does, contain a portion of truth; and since the general or prevailing opinion on any object is rarely or never the whole truth, it is only by the collision of adverse opinions that the remainder of the truth has any chance of being supplied.

Thirdly, even if the received opinion be not only true, but the whole truth; unless it is suffered to be, and actually is, vigorously and earnestly contested, it will, by most of those who receive it, be held in the manner of a prejudice, with little comprehension or feeling of its rational grounds. And not only this, but, fourthly, the meaning of the doctrine itself will be in danger of being lost, or enfeebled, and deprived of its vital effect on the character and conduct: the dogma becoming a mere formal profession, inefficacious for good, but cumbering the ground, and preventing the growth of any real and heartfelt conviction, from reason or personal experience.


IMO, the second point touches on the heart of the matter related to Charlie Hebdo's satirical work. The power of the cartoons, from the perspective laid out by Mill, is not that they are "truth" per se, but that they convey contemporary perceptions. In turn, those perceptions are rooted in events and developments. Those events and developments are, as Mill put it, "a portion of truth." It is that "portion of truth" that represents a good starting point for a serious dialogue among Muslims and also between Muslims and non-Muslims. It is not a recipe for attacking all Muslims or their faith. It is an opening to focus on the narrower political Islamist movement and its smaller set of actors, some of whom have been condemned by Muslims i.e., as happened most recently in Australia and in France, where the extreme individual (Australia) or individuals (France) have been publicly condemned by some leading Muslim religious authorities.

In sum, that this terrorist attack occurred is all the more reason for a vigorous defense of free speech and a free press. It should not be used as an occasion for a retreat from those bedrock liberties, otherwise, much more will be lost in the process from such a retreat.
 
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Multi-culturalism failing yet again.

European Politicians did this to their own Countries and citizens.

That is why they will pay, maybe with their lives, and to be honest they will have earned it...
 
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To the leftist, the Dark Ages never ended.

And who's largely at fault for that? Not just the leftists. The left did not make oil and cheap labor more important than human rights. The left did not hitch themselves so deep into the pockets of the people who have lengthened the dark ages.

Don't get me wrong, left wing politics have also not solved this problem (and to some degree have made it worse too) but you cannot solve centuries of religious domination and undemocratic rule in one generation.
 
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The reason it is so low in the US NOW is because of our laws, which keep the Christian nutters from doing the same. But our laws did not always protect people. The Arawak Indians, which were the first tribe encountered by Columbus, were completely exterminated, and we committed genocide against Indians here, in the name of Manifest Destiny, which was a concept created by Christians here in the US. Millions of blacks died under slavery, and thousands more were lynched in the South, much of it in the name of Christianity. There is a reason that anti-abortionists and people like Fred Phelps only protest instead of murder today, and that is because they understand the consequences of breaking the strong laws that we have against that kind of activity. But what they have done is not Christian at all, just extremism, which does not represent Christ.

Here is the deal. I work for an Iranian company. The President of the company is Baha'i', and many of our customers are Muslim. I have Muslim friends, and they are just as American as you are. Many of them fly the American flag in their front yard, and are patriotic. So when I see people like you post slander against them, I see it for what it is.... Bigotry. And yes, what you are posting is exactly that.... Slander, racism, and hatred. You seek to stain a whole race of people with what extremists do. It is exactly this kind of mindset that allowed Hitler to murder 6 million Jews. He made them look subhuman enough that it seemed only right to murder them. This is exactly what you are doing against Muslims..... Make them look subhuman, so that murdering them is OK, because after all, they are all murderers anyways.

Not sure why you 100% deflected from my questions. Are you, once again, refusing to answer my questions? How many killings in the name of Allah in ONLY the past 10 years, and how many killings in the name of Jesus Christ in the past 50 years?
 
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Muslims believe that Israel/US/far right or a non-Muslim organization is responsible for the attack.As always.

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No more R.I.P Avenge the Fallen.

They will try and the will die, Leftist tend to then that some how if that side with the enemies of the West and her peoples and their cultures they will be spared..They will not.

Do you think because claim you're more enlightened than the rest of your nations, cultures, peoples they hate you any less?

I think you need to stop mooching off this country and move back where you came from. Or at least learn good English. I can't make heads or tails out of your writing.

No excuse. My first language is not English either.
 
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Torqemada would disagree with you here. He was responsible for the slaughter of many thousands of Jews and non-believers in the Middle Ages. He, of course, represented the Catholic Church.

true and appears that a fair amount of Islam (a Religion started 700 years or so after Christianity) remains 700 years behind Christianity as well.
 
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Not possible, Paris has strict gun control laws.

There would be a lot more of these if guns were as easy to access as in the U.S.
 
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I think you need to stop mooching off this country and move back where you came from. Or at least learn good English. I can't make heads or tails out of your writing.

No excuse. My first language is not English either.

based on your avatar is it "Meow" :mrgreen:

Do you really think AS is an immigrant?
 
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Well you wouldnt have had these radical elements if France and the rest of the West hadnt screwed up their countries of origin in the first place.

A comment revealing no knowledge of history. The Islamic world has been in decline for centuries for entirely internal reasons. The science that once led the world and saved our common intellectual heritage is now scorned as an affront to Islam. Rage against Islamic decline and decay powers these terrorists.
 
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Gunmen Attack Offices of Paris Satirical Newspaper, Killing 12

"PARIS — Masked gunmen burst into the Paris offices of a French satirical newspaper on Wednesday and killed 12 people, including top journalists and two police officers, before fleeing in a car. The gunmen were still at large at dusk, as an extensive police dragnet spread across a traumatized city.


Among the dead were four prominent cartoonists who have repeatedly lampooned Islamic terrorists and the Prophet Muhammad, leading to speculation that the attack on the newspaper, Charlie Hebdo, was the work of Islamic militants acting alone or in concert with extremist groups.


A police guard assigned to protect the newspaper was among the first victims. A second police officer, who responded to reports of the shooting, was killed on the sidewalk outside the office by the fleeing suspects, the Paris police said. The shooting of the second police officer was captured in a widely-seen video. . . ."


 
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I guess those terrorists showed them that Islam is a religion of peace!
 
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