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Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

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While it is true that Alabama suffered under 136 years of democratic rule we have been freed recently. Have you ever been to Huntsville? We have more degreed people h\per per capita than just about everyplace.

I would be glad too. I propose we take all of the Republican states.

Do it. My state is a hybrid though, so we stay in the good ole US of A.
 
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Good grief, I wanted you to try and play this argument because it's just clear how partisan your stance on this issue is. It's almost like you've never heard of Theo Van Gogh's murder. Here, educate yourself:
This isn't about Theo Van Gogh. Get relevant.
Are you going to answer the question now? Or are you going to try and avoid answering it once more? So again, is there a history of US politicians marching after terrorist attacks where free speech is at the centerpoint? The Danish embassy was attacked because of the Mohammed Cartoons. Theo Van Gogh was murdered for his movie Obsession. Where was the US president then? Was he marching?
You didn't read my previous post, have wandered way off topic, and now appear to be trolling.
 
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This isn't about Theo Van Gogh. Get relevant.

You claimed there hadn't been any terrorist attacks related to free speech. I showed that to be wrong. Twice. Where were the marches back then?
 
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You claimed there hadn't been any terrorist attacks related to free speech. I showed that to be wrong. Twice. Where were the marches back then?
You're right. There have been attacks from Muslims over the Mohammed cartoons, Van Gogh, and so on down the line. Free speech is threatened in US Universities by Muslims, and everywhere across the free world. And of course there is no free speech in any Muslim dominated countries. I got that wrong.

BUT 40 world leaders marched arm in arm through the streets of Paris in solidarity with the idea that enough is enough, freedom of speech must be protected, and Muslims should not define who we are.

You earlier posted about about security concern for BHO and yet Benjamin Netanyahu, a Jewish leader despised by Muslims because of his Jewishness, dared to attend. Even the White House has now admitted that it was a mistake not to send a representative. As well there was already very tight security in place in the area. Holder was right there and could have made an appearance as the US rep.

You are again correct that I'm partisan because I believe Obama to be the worst President in US history. It is foolish not to recognize this.

What do you make of this? “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”- Barrack Obama.

Was it embarrassment that kept him away or is he still concerned about the possibility of criticizing Muslims?
 
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You're right. There have been attacks from Muslims over the Mohammed cartoons, Van Gogh, and so on down the line. Free speech is threatened in US Universities by Muslims, and everywhere across the free world. And of course there is no free speech in any Muslim dominated countries. I got that wrong.

Good, where were the marches then? France gets the same treatment they, and the rest of the world, gave us after 9/11. A phone call and the best of luck fighting terrorism now that they acknowledge it is there. Do you disagree with the US doing what other countries did during America's 9/11?

You earlier posted about about security concern for BHO and yet Benjamin Netanyahu, a Jewish leader despised by Muslims because of his Jewishness, dared to attend. Even the White House has now admitted that it was a mistake not to send a representative.

I did no such thing. I have held the position that Obama did the same thing France did during 9/11.

What do you make of this? “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”- Barrack Obama.

I've seen the quote in context. Have you? Here it is:

“Here in the United States, countless publications provoke offense. Like me, the majority of Americans are Christian, and yet we do not ban blasphemy against our most sacred beliefs. As president of our country, and commander in chief of our military, I accept that people are going to call me awful things every day, and I will always defend their right to do so.

Americans have fought and died around the globe to protect the right of all people to express their views — even views that we profoundly disagree with. We do so not because we support hateful speech, but because our founders understood that without such protections, the capacity of each individual to express their own views and practice their own faith may be threatened.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Helvetica Neue, Verdana, sans-serif]We do so because in a diverse society, efforts to restrict speech can quickly become a tool to silence critics and oppress minorities. We do so because, given the power of faith in our lives, and the passion that religious differences can inflame[/FONT], the strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech — the voices of tolerance that rally against bigotry and blasphemy, and lift up the values of understanding and mutual respect.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Helvetica Neue, Verdana, sans-serif][/FONT]

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The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam but to be credible those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated or churches destroyed or the Holocaust that is denied

Relying on sound bites? I'm shocked Grant, shocked! I mean if you actually read the entire speech, you can see he's saying exactly the opposite of what a chopped out 3 seconds pretends he said.
 
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Good, where were the marches then?
Some marches should have been organized perhaps, but they weren't. This latest attack certainly inspired 40 leaders from around the world to attend in a show of faith and force. Obama or a rep should have been there as well.
France gets the same treatment they, and the rest of the world, gave us after 9/11. A phone call and the best of luck fighting terrorism now that they acknowledge it is there. Do you disagree with the US doing what other countries did during America's 9/11?
This is more than the French. They have been anti American for years, as have many European nations. But that was foolish and petty and should now be ignored. There are more important things to deal with than small minded slights from the past. In fact Obama said this.
France is America's oldest ally, and has stood shoulder to shoulder with the United States in the fight against terrorists who threaten our shared security and the world. Time and again, the French people have stood up for the universal values that generations of our people have defended. France, and the great city of Paris where this outrageous attack took place, offer the world a timeless example that will endure well beyond the hateful vision of these killers. We are in touch with French officials and I have directed my Administration to provide any assistance needed to help bring these terrorists to justice."
I did no such thing. I have held the position that Obama did the same thing France did during 9/11.
Again you are right. I checked back and it was Thorgasm.
I've seen the quote in context. Have you? Here it is: Takes an entirely different meaning, doesn't it?
Yes, it does. He spoke those words to the UN while claiming Benghazi was caused by a Youtube video. I doubt Hollande will make the same claim.
 
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Some marches should have been organized perhaps, but they weren't.

You know, continuing to show your ignorance ISN'T helpful:

Outrage and Sadness — The Murder of Theo Van Gogh — Crime Library

The murder of Theo Van Gogh sparked a firestorm of outrage among citizens throughout the Netherlands. On the night of the brutal killing approximately 20,000 people gathered in central Amsterdam's Dam Square to pay tribute to Theo and show support for freedom of speech by making noise for seven minutes. According to Expatica.com, the public came equipped with "horns, drums, pots and pans and anything that could generate a 'racket,'" which they used to express their anger at the tragedy. The seven minutes of noise was followed by a two-minute vigil of silence. The massive turn out at the rally was evidence that the Dutch were not going to accept being bullied into keeping silent or accept the murder of those who speak their mind.

As I asked: WHERE WERE THESE WORLD LEADERS THEN? Listen, you can bull**** around the yard as much as you'd like, and I can keep catching you slip. However, you've yet to answer a simple question: Where were all these world leaders the last 14 years when the US fought this war with mostly Canada and the UK? Nowhere to be seen.Their rhetoric means nothing to me at this point. Maybe you're the type of person they put it on the display for? I'm sure Gruber described that kind not too long ago. It's on the tip of my tongue. Do you remember what words he used? ;)
 
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That law was repealed.

Yep, thanks to conservative Mark Steyn after he was hauled in front of the board for daring to criticize Muslims.

The election of Harper as PM didn't hurt either.
 
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Yep, thanks to conservative Mark Steyn after he was hauled in front of the board for daring to criticize Muslims.

The election of Harper as PM didn't hurt either.
They went shopping for a Tribunal. 1 problem is once accused you are footing the bill, while those that make the allegations do not incur any costs.
That said the Tribunals such as in Ontario were going overboard.
Lastly- they do serve a purpose. Problems that a person cannot afford to go to court can be addressed thru these tribunals. So they serve a valuable purpose.
Still they need to be reined in somewhat.
 
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They went shopping for a Tribunal. 1 problem is once accused you are footing the bill, while those that make the allegations do not incur any costs.
That said the Tribunals such as in Ontario were going overboard.
Lastly- they do serve a purpose. Problems that a person cannot afford to go to court can be addressed thru these tribunals. So they serve a valuable purpose.
Still they need to be reined in somewhat.

The accusers (Muslims) filed complaints in every jurisdiction they could find. Ontario had no jurisdiction, so they had to bow out. Even after bowing out and never hearing any testimony, they threw their two cents in and were roundly criticized throughout Canada for it.

Steyn stated publicly that he wanted them to rule against him so he could take it to the Supreme Court.
 
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The accusers (Muslims) filed complaints in every jurisdiction they could find. Ontario had no jurisdiction, so they had to bow out. Even after bowing out and never hearing any testimony, they threw their two cents in and were roundly criticized throughout Canada for it.

Steyn stated publicly that he wanted them to rule against him so he could take it to the Supreme Court.

Nope
Complaint against mag dismissed | CTV News
 
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The article repeats exactly what I said. :roll:
They reviewed, as such had jurisdiction. Not found in favor of the complainant.
While commentators have said Steyn's demographic claims are way off-base, the CHRC concluded the views in the article, "when considered as a whole and in context, are not of an extreme nature, as defined by the Supreme Court."

Therefore, the Commission said there is no reason to warrant the appointment of a tribunal to look into the matter. In its four page decision, the Commission noted Steyn's "writing is polemical, colourful and emphatic, and was obviously calculated to excite discussion and even offend certain readers, Muslim and non-Muslim alike."
 
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They reviewed, as such had jurisdiction. Not found in favor of the complainant.
While commentators have said Steyn's demographic claims are way off-base, the CHRC concluded the views in the article, "when considered as a whole and in context, are not of an extreme nature, as defined by the Supreme Court."

Therefore, the Commission said there is no reason to warrant the appointment of a tribunal to look into the matter. In its four page decision, the Commission noted Steyn's "writing is polemical, colourful and emphatic, and was obviously calculated to excite discussion and even offend certain readers, Muslim and non-Muslim alike."

Again, nothing different than what I posted. Why are you wasting time repeating me ??
 
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Again, nothing different than what I posted. Why are you wasting time repeating me ??

You stated ontario did not have jurisdiction. They did.
 
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The article repeats exactly what I said. :roll:
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My apologies- reading the wrong circle- yes you were correct.
 
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You know, continuing to show your ignorance ISN'T helpful. As I asked: WHERE WERE THESE WORLD LEADERS THEN? Listen, you can bull**** around the yard as much as you'd like, and I can keep catching you slip. However, you've yet to answer a simple question: Where were all these world leaders the last 14 years when the US fought this war with mostly Canada and the UK? Nowhere to be seen.Their rhetoric means nothing to me at this point. Maybe you're the type of person they put it on the display for? I'm sure Gruber described that kind not too long ago. It's on the tip of my tongue. Do you remember what words he used? ;)
Where were they? Who knows? They may have been at work, they may have been in the office. Who really cares?

But when a protest was organized and 40 world leaders attended there was no US representative. It was the first time such a public protest took place and there should have been someone there to represent the world's leading democracy. Even the White House later acknowledged that.
 
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Where were they? Who knows? They may have been at work, they may have been in the office. Who really cares?

But when a protest was organized and 40 world leaders attended there was no US representative. It was the first time such a public protest took place and there should have been someone there to represent the world's leading democracy. Even the White House later acknowledged that.

The white house knows how bad the "optics" are here.
 
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Where were they? Who knows? They may have been at work, they may have been in the office. Who really cares?

So then you bought their rhetoric? Good. It's what the masses usually buy when they're not interested in any action. :) How did Gruber refer to those masses? Remind me?

But when a protest was organized and 40 world leaders attended there was no US representative.

We sent our top representative in the country. Continuing to lie doesn't change that.
 
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