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Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

Xaergoth said:
I also live in a Muslim country and most of the time considered 3rd world citizen, have hard time at visas etc.

I know its very difficult to make any distinction when looking at a country from outside and far away and make any specific observations. But considering Turkey its very obvious that there are around %10 - 15 population that live by the western standards.

I am not saying let us immigrate to your countries, I am trying to point out, maybe its also time that west turn their eyes to the situation in Turkey.. Islam is taking over here by the use of democracy and uneducated population. Maybe take some example and be proactive where you live..

ISIS is being supported by masses, also armed and financed by the government...

Everything that happens, is explained by conspiracy theories, even the attack on Paris raised some doubts on morons out here, saying its west trying to show Islam is violent.. The Ignorace is unbearable but its a fact... And trying to live through it is a torture don't make the same mistake. And really be careful..
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This is chilling. France is going to see more and more of this as it becomes overrun by Islamists. It's even beginning to cede control of its police forces to them.

French Islamist mini-states grow into problem out of government control - Washington Times
 
RDS said:
Read your blasphemy statutes.

In the United States, a law against blasphemy, or a prosecution on that ground, would violate the American Constitution. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..." While there are no federal laws which forbid "religious vilification" or "religious insult" or "hate speech", some states have blasphemy statutes.
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France isn't part of the United States. The terrorist attack occurred in Paris.
 
nota bene said:
France isn't part of the United States. The terrorist attack occurred in Paris.
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European hate speech legislation is very different than US. In Europe, racist or genderist garbage constitutes hate speech. Iirc, as does Nazi crap (only in Germany?). In the US, hate speech prosecution requires a specific threat to a specific target (group) and a very real chance of the act being carried out by others. All three of those aspects must be proven for US conviction.

State blasphemy statues are -literally- meaningless. RDS is attempting false equivocation and apologizing for state tyranny.
 
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RDS said:
Avoid? I can talk bull**** and its freedom of expression.
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Avoid because you have no idea what you're saying.
And you most certainly "talk bull****".
 
RDS said:
Freedom of expression does not give you the licence to make a mockery of religion. Charlie Hebdo planted the time bomb and it exploded.
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Wow, that's some serious victim blaming. Charlie shouldn't have worn that dress.
 
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Peter King said:
Just because the rightwing thinks are the ones with all the knowledge but that does not make it the truth
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Then let's look at the 'truth'. Is it 'right wing politicians' going after the Jewish people or is it Muslims? Is it 'right wing politicians' creating censorship and terrorism? Who is actually closer to the Nazi philosophies? The Islamists or the 'right wing politicians'? If it is only the discredited 'right wing wing politicians' who are speaking out (against constant threat!) against what's happening to their countries who is left to address these problems? Certainly not the people at Charlie Hedbo.

You also mentioned 'race'. Which 'race' is involved in any of this?

Certainly knowledge begets truth or we're all just parroting what we prefer to believe rather then what is genuinely out there.
 
RDS said:
Freedom of expression does not give you the licence to make a mockery of religion. Charlie Hebdo planted the time bomb and it exploded.
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And feeling offended doesn't give anyone the right to murder. But since backward Muslims seem to feel that murder can resolve philosophical differences I expect more is going to come their way.
 
US Conservative said:
The magazine did nothing wrong. Why do you hate free speech and a free press?
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They don't like to look at themselves for what they are. They are, quite naturally and for obvious reasons, very sensitive to ridicule.
 
RDS said:
It did nothing wrong under French Law. I would be offended if I am a muslim.
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Well God knows these seventh century religious fanatics are uber sensitive and easily offended but responding by murdering over a dozen people is not the response any well-educated civilized person would take.
 
Xaergoth said:
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I know its very difficult to make any distinction when looking at a country from outside and far away and make any specific observations. But considering Turkey its very obvious that there are around %10 - 15 population that live by the western standards.

I am not saying let us immigrate to your countries, I am trying to point out, maybe its also time that west turn their eyes to the situation in Turkey.. Islam is taking over here by the use of democracy and uneducated population. Maybe take some example and be proactive where you live..

ISIS is being supported by masses, also armed and financed by the government...

Everything that happens, is explained by conspiracy theories, even the attack on Paris raised some doubts on morons out here, saying its west trying to show Islam is violent.. The Ignorace is unbearable but its a fact... And trying to live through it is a torture don't make the same mistake. And really be careful..
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"Democracy is like a train. We shall get out when we arrive at the station we want." -Erdogan.

A summary of Islamist mentality.Democracy is only a weapon in Islamists' hands.

"The rise of political Islam in Turkey: how the West got it wrong." "Our current situation is explained away by Western intellectuals who had nothing but praise for Erdogan ten years ago, and now claim he has transformed into a tyrant.*"

Wise words from a Turkish MP:
National Secular Society - The rise of political Islam in Turkey: how the West got it wrong

Do you how the west got it wrong.In fact he didn't tranform into anything! Islamists were always tyrants, they don't change.Thinking the opposite was very stupid of Europeans.
 
Grant said:
Well God knows these seventh century religious fanatics are uber sensitive and easily offended but responding by murdering over a dozen people is not the response any well-educated civilized person would take.
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How about 18th C Christians?

from Charlie Hebdo

84347243_o.jpg (translation) The Catholics change the pope but still no pants

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Somerville said:
How about 18th C Christians?

from Charlie Hebdo

(translation) The Catholics change the pope but still no pants
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And what was the response of Christians? Nothing!

Christians know and understand that tolerance is the cornerstone of any democracy and, in fact, were most influential in creating the modern democracies. Muslims consider democracy anathema to Islam.
 
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Grant said:
Then let's look at the 'truth'. Is it 'right wing politicians' going after the Jewish people or is it Muslims? Is it 'right wing politicians' creating censorship and terrorism? Who is actually closer to the Nazi philosophies? The Islamists or the 'right wing politicians'? If it is only the discredited 'right wing wing politicians' who are speaking out (against constant threat!) against what's happening to their countries who is left to address these problems? Certainly not the people at Charlie Hedbo.

You also mentioned 'race'. Which 'race' is involved in any of this?

Certainly knowledge begets truth or we're all just parroting what we prefer to believe rather then what is genuinely out there.
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You are kidding me right? Ever heard the the Le Pen's?

The Front National quickly removed from its website a video in which Mr Le Pen talked of making an “oven load” of the Jewish singer Patrick Bruel, interpreted as a reference to the furnaces used by the Nazis to dispose of their victims.
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Le Pen is of the opinion that the holocaust is just a detail and has been prosecuted for Holocaust denial.

And yes, I was talking about extreme right and there are plenty of examples of extreme right wing leaders going after both Muslims and Jews and Blacks and Immigrants, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.etc.

And yes, again for the censorship from the extreme right because in their world view they are allowed to say whatever the want but their opponents have to be silenced because theirs is an opinion that is unworthy of being voiced.

Right-wing terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And yes on terrorism too.
 
youngturk said:
"Democracy is like a train. We shall get out when we arrive at the station we want." -Erdogan.

A summary of Islamist mentality.Democracy is only a weapon in Islamists' hands.

"The rise of political Islam in Turkey: how the West got it wrong." "Our current situation is explained away by Western intellectuals who had nothing but praise for Erdogan ten years ago, and now claim he has transformed into a tyrant.*"

Wise words from a Turkish MP:
National Secular Society - The rise of political Islam in Turkey: how the West got it wrong

Do you how the west got it wrong.In fact he didn't tranform into anything! Islamists were always tyrants, they don't change.Thinking the opposite was very stupid of Europeans.
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It's not just the Europeans who were very stupid. Certainly the US President is the stupidest leader in any democracy today. FLASHBACK: Obama 2012: 'The Future Must Not Belong To Those Who Slander The Prophet of Islam' | Truth Revolt

The future certainly didn't belong to the employees of Charlie for very much longer.
 
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Grant said:
Then let's look at the 'truth'. Is it 'right wing politicians' going after the Jewish people or is it Muslims? Is it 'right wing politicians' creating censorship and terrorism? Who is actually closer to the Nazi philosophies? The Islamists or the 'right wing politicians'? If it is only the discredited 'right wing wing politicians' who are speaking out (against constant threat!) against what's happening to their countries who is left to address these problems? Certainly not the people at Charlie Hedbo.

You also mentioned 'race'. Which 'race' is involved in any of this?

Certainly knowledge begets truth or we're all just parroting what we prefer to believe rather then what is genuinely out there.
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Actually, it's the right-wing that is closer to Nazism.
 
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Peter King said:
You are kidding me right? Ever heard the the Le Pen's? Le Pen is of the opinion that the holocaust is just a detail and has been prosecuted for Holocaust denial.
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I never claimed ignorance didn't exist but are these people advocating the murder of the Jewish people. burning Mosques and Churches, making it unsafe for them on the streets and in their homes? It is Muslims doing that, not Le Pens.

And yes, I was talking about extreme right and there are plenty of examples of extreme right wing leaders going after both Muslims and Jews and Blacks and Immigrants, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.etc.
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Then why not mention their names and explain how they are 'going after them'? Is it in any way comparable to the way Muslims are going after them?

And yes, again for the censorship from the extreme right because in their world view they are allowed to say whatever the want but their opponents have to be silenced because theirs is an opinion that is unworthy of being voiced.
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I'll need some examples of that because anything controversial which makes a European nervous is "extreme right'. They've been conditioned all their lives to believe that.[/QUOTE]
 
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jet57 said:
Actually, it's the right-wing that is closer to Nazism.
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Would you consider the Islamists 'right wing' then? They seem to be supported so often by Leftists that it seems unlikely. In fact anyone who speaks out against the Islamists is called "extreme right wing'.

Do left wingers fit in anywhere?
 
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Grant said:
Would you consider the Islamists 'right wing' then? They seem to be supported so often by Leftists that it seems unlikely. In fact anyone who speaks out against the Islamists is called "extreme right wing'.

Do left wingers fit in anywhere?
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They certainly are conservative in their political and social views.

Christians Must Take Back Government In 2015 Because 'We Are God's Governing Force On The Earth' - See more at: Sheets: Christians Must Take Back Government In 2015 Because 'We Are God's Governing Force On The Earth' | Right Wing Watch

anti-abortion
anti-gay
keep women in the kitchen
allow religious beliefs to control government
anti the reality of science

all are views held by many who call themselves conservative and christian
 
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Multiculturalism has blown up in Europe's face, and many of these once great countries are becoming unrecognizable.

We have a division of our company in England, and my colleagues there tell me it is all people talk the British discuss these days.

A day of reckoning, one way or the other, is coming. France and Spain are next. Turkey already went quietly into Islamic control.
 
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