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Charlie Hebdo Shooting: 12 Killed at Muhammad Cartoons Magazine in Paris[w:157,1217]

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I didnt say you did. You did however, imply that liberals defend all Muslims no matter what. And then proceed to blame them for a role in their actions.
Well, are we sure this wasn't "workplace violence", or a "man made contingency"???
 
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I didnt say you did. You did however, imply that liberals defend all Muslims no matter what. And then proceed to blame them for a role in their actions.
That happens on a regular basis here. Every time there is a thread based on the attrocities of Fundamentalist Extremist Muslims, people trip over themselves shrieking "but the Christians!!! but the Christians!!!"

Every time.
 
A wound up nutbag psycho will do some douche bag **** regardless of the brand of death insurance He buys into.
 
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My compliments to Sen. Burr, the new chair of Intelligence, in his interview with Wolf Blitzer.
His interview with Bret Baier may have been a bit more partisan, but I credit that to Baier's questions.

And then there were the usual cheap shots from McConnell, Ayotte and L. Graham at Obama.
Not to mention Krauthammer and Hayes on the Panel linking today with Obama.

Meanwhile, squeamish DEM Senators continue to run silent .
 
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Multi-culturalism failing yet again.

European Politicians did this to their own Countries and citizens.

Yes they did. This is going to happen again and again all over europe. Even worse these "immigrants" dont assimilate and expect sharia law in many neighborhoods. I wonder when the tipping point is going to come.
 
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I strongly disagree here. There can be extremism in all forms of religion, whether it be Muslim, or even Christian. 2 examples here.....

1) In Houston, there is both a Jewish community and a Muslim community. Both communities get along with each other fine, and Muslims have Jewish friends and Jews have Muslim friends. These are not extremists.

2) On the other hand, you do have your Timothy McVeighs, David Koreshes, abortion doctor murderers, those who lynched black people in the South in the 20th Century, and the like, who have claimed to be devout Christians. Of course, we are talking extremists here.

Take any religion to it's extreme, and you will find murder. There is a reason we have less of it than other nations. We have strong laws, and they do work to an extent to keep the nutters from creating mayhem and terror in the USA.

On the other hand, I am not going to blame all of Islam for what extremists do in the name of that religion. If I did, then it would only be fair to blame all of Christianity for the acts of Timothy McVeigh, abortion doctor murderers, those who lynched blacks in the South, and the likes of David Koresh and Jim Jones. They do not represent Christianity any more than the Paris terrorists represent Islam.



There are billions of Christians on earth and around 15 million Jews. There are a handful of these events (violence committed in the name of religion) perpetrated by gentiles, compared to the overwhelming majority by Muslims.

Equivocation wont work here, we know where the overwhelming problem is.
 
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Yes they did. This is going to happen again and again all over europe. Even worse these "immigrants" dont assimilate and expect sharia law in many neighborhoods. I wonder when the tipping point is going to come.
This may be the final wake-up call. Or perhaps one or two more, max.
 
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Torqemada would disagree with you here. He was responsible for the slaughter of many thousands of Jews and non-believers in the Middle Ages. He, of course, represented the Catholic Church.

In the middle ages. Even the fact that you are applying uneven standards here (modern islam to medieval christianity) undermines your own argument.
 
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Now we know you don't mean that.

Otherwise, get rid of that freaking "libertarian" designation for your political lean because I think I know exactly where you're going with this.

Please read books. It is indeed a governmental system as well, including a judicial system.
 
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The reason it is so low in the US NOW is because of our laws, which keep the Christian nutters from doing the same. But our laws did not always protect people. The Arawak Indians, which were the first tribe encountered by Columbus, were completely exterminated, and we committed genocide against Indians here, in the name of Manifest Destiny, which was a concept created by Christians here in the US. Millions of blacks died under slavery, and thousands more were lynched in the South, much of it in the name of Christianity. There is a reason that anti-abortionists and people like Fred Phelps only protest instead of murder today, and that is because they understand the consequences of breaking the strong laws that we have against that kind of activity. But what they have done is not Christian at all, just extremism, which does not represent Christ.

Here is the deal. I work for an Iranian company. The President of the company is Baha'i', and many of our customers are Muslim. I have Muslim friends, and they are just as American as you are. Many of them fly the American flag in their front yard, and are patriotic. So when I see people like you post slander against them, I see it for what it is.... Bigotry. And yes, what you are posting is exactly that.... Slander, racism, and hatred. You seek to stain a whole race of people with what extremists do. It is exactly this kind of mindset that allowed Hitler to murder 6 million Jews. He made them look subhuman enough that it seemed only right to murder them. This is exactly what you are doing against Muslims..... Make them look subhuman, so that murdering them is OK, because after all, they are all murderers anyways.

Also untrue. There was no intentional genocide of native Americans under the guise of religion (or anything else). You just dont know your history.
 
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Well you wouldnt have had these radical elements if France and the rest of the West hadnt screwed up their countries of origin in the first place.

Do you always side with enemies of the West?
 
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Are you in the military? Have you been?
There are plenty of moderate Muslims, esp. in the US. No different than any other American. (And they are Americans).

The extremists of Islam are No Different than the Extremist Christians that insist on basing their perspective on the Old Testament...
a very harmful and even violent leaning. Most Muslims and most Christians are not like that in the US.

Ahh, the usual apologist NONSENSE:
Yup PCers et al, "it's just like Christianity" and those 'Radicals' like Pat Robertson!

BBC News - Jihadism: Tracking a Month of deadly attacks
10 December 2014

Jihadism: Tracking a Month of deadly attacks
Jihadist attacks killed more than 5,000 people in just One month, an investigation by the BBC World Service and King's College London has found.

Civilians bore the brunt of the violence, with more than 2,000 killed in reported jihadist incidents during November 2014. Islamic State carried out the most attacks, adding to the spiralling death toll in Iraq and Syria. Explore the map to find out more.

The data gathered by the BBC found that 5,042 people were killed in 664 jihadist attacks across 14 Countries - a Daily average of 168 Deaths, or 7 Every Hour.

About 80% of the deaths came in just four countries - Iraq, Nigeria, Syria and Afghanistan, according to the study of media and civil society reports..."​

Yeah, Every time someone makes fun of Jesus/Yahweh/Buddah, scores of people die!

Lemme guess, this also "Has Nothing to do with Islam"
I have no idea what point you are trying to make here.
extremists of any religion can improperly interpret their teachings and use violence.
I am not remotely excusing the radical Muslims that did this. Or those that commit any terrorist attacks. And I wont excuse anyone of other religions either.
I'm talking about/Showing the FACT this is DAILY behavior for Muslims/Islamists.
How many do you think Christian (or Buddhist) "extremists" have Killed this week, month, Year?

I'm "talking about" the Fact your post was an Absurd/Horrendous attempt at Moral Equivalence that does NOT exist.
Rank Apologism.
Untrue.

A Christian Fundamentalist is a Missionary, a Muslim Fundamentalist Kills him.


(New avatar in Honor of the deceased)
 
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Yeah, I guess it's too damn bad that here in the US we have a little thing called "freedom of religion."

And we can still have it. But we do need to utterly rid ourselves of this scourge. Do you always side so readily with this nation's enemies?
 
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Well, that is because there is a difference between a lot of people who are of the Islamic faith and extremists.

And in a country where Muslims are a minority, it is better to err on the side of caution. We do not need another Adolf Hitler tragedy. Once is enough IMHO. It is wrong to scapegoat a minority as is being done by some right wing politicians.

Not the "right wing politicians" again!!

Haven't the Euroleftists learned anything yet?? You have been 'erring on the side of caution' for a generation now.

It was the "extreme right-wing politicians" like Geert Wilders among others, who have been warning of this for several years now. They even tried barring Wilders from the UK for stating the obvious.

Muslims continue their international carnage and still the Euroleft will blame it on 'right wing politicians' and suggest it is they who are emulating Hitler. Jeez, don't you people ever stop and think before you post? It is not the 'right wing politicians' who want to kill all the Jews in their Hitleresque fashion, or murder children attending school, murder Gays, etc. It is the Islamists and those who support them.
 
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It is equally wrong to divert attention from those that pose a real threat.

No, because I am not talking about extremists, them you can go after all you want. But there are in Europe (and I would assume in the US) people who are populists targeting all Muslims for the actions of a few extremists. Scapegoating an entire population of Muslims for the actions of a few nutjob (yes, there is a fair few out there but still, a small minority of the total number of Muslims) is not the right way to go about.
 
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Question: Are you a right-libertarian or a goddamn fascist? Because last I checked free socities don't exclude people based on what they believe.

I like this post because it so readily attracts those, who like you, are this nation's internal enemies.
 
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It is equally wrong to divert attention from those that pose a real threat.

Says the guy who doesn't miss an occasion to talk about black on black crime when a thread is about police brutality. ;)
 
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So you literally believe that deporting and denying entry to people because of their religious or political beliefs is compatible with an idea that promotes free expression? :confused:

I have the right to live at peace in my country. You and the Islamofascists need to go. I do agree you are confused.
 
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Not the "right wing politicians" again!!

Haven't the Euroleftists learned anything yet?? You have been 'erring on the side of caution' for a generation now.

It was the "extreme right-wing politicians" like Geert Wilders among others, who have been warning of this for several years now. They even tried barring Wilders from the UK for stating the obvious.

Muslims continue their international carnage and still the Euroleft will blame it on 'right wing politicians' and suggest it is they who are emulating Hitler. Jeez, don't you people ever stop and think before you post? It is not the 'right wing politicians' who want to kill all the Jews in their Hitleresque fashion, or murder children attending school, murder Gays, etc. It is the Islamists and those who support them.

Yes, right wing politicians like Geert Wilders, like Le Pen. Not the regular right wing politicians that is why I said some (and with some I mean extremist racist ones).

And no, in the case of Geert Wilders the "Euro-leftists" have it exactly right. And Geert Wilders is more than just warning for extremists, it is all the other anti-Muslim things that make him an extremist problem and not a person working towards a solution. Scapegoating and placing people outside of society has never ever worked in solving a problem.

And I have to stop and think before I write after the diatribe of nonsense you then follow that up with. :roll:
 
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Are you in the military? Have you been?

There are plenty of moderate Muslims, esp. in the US. No different than any other American. (And they are Americans).

The extremists of Islam are no different than the extremist Christians that insist on basing their perspective on the Old Testament...a very harmful and even violent leaning. Most Muslims and most Christians are not like that in the US.

Another weak attempt at equivocation. Who saw that coming?
 
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Please read books. It is indeed a governmental system as well, including a judicial system.

It is a religion. Islam is a religion, the government of Islamic nations tend to intertwine religion and government.

Read a book.
 
The two police officers killed were guarding the offices of Charlie Hebdo. I'm surprised that some of our forum members who believe guns stop crimes haven't weighed in on this matter.

A surprise attack on one guard with a pistol by two men with AK's. The second cop was killed after responding to the shooting (video is out there). No gun is a guarantee, but kudo's for trying to introduce your anti-gun agenda.
 
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Yeah, that whole 'melting pot' **** and freedom of religion crap is a crock anyway. Who needs it?

A melting pot implies assimilation, this is an untossed salad, with one group killing others because they dont like the freedoms of that nation.
 
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This really is a sad situation for all involved. There are millions of Muslims in the West who don't hate their new countries. A few crazies ruin it for everyone.
 
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