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Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

Jerry said:
This incident happened in a city.


That's no excuse. Keep your dog under control or its going to die and you're getting sued.
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Exactly...

Police (and police dogs,) lives matter......

They matter more than your life. They matter more than my life. They matter more than right. They matter more than wrong. Compared to the police, all other life is insignificant.

On your knees bitches! Serve your masters! They can kill you because their life matters more than yours. Get that in your head and get the **** in line.
 
Captain America said:
Exactly...

Police (and police dogs,) lives matter......

They matter more than your life. They matter more than my life. They matter more than right. They matter more than wrong. Compared to the police, all other life is insignificant.

On your knees bitches! Serve your masters! They can kill you because their life matters more than yours. Get that in your head and get the **** in line.
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A policeman's life matters more than your pet's life, yup :peace
 
Jerry said:
A policeman's life matters more than your pet's life, yup :peace
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Their dog's lives, running through my yard, also matters more than my dog's life, who is in my own yard, defending what he is bred to defend.

Hypothetically, imagine this.

What if, someone busts down the door to your bedroom, in the middle of the night, and you put two rounds right between their eyes. You turn on the lights only to find that person was a uniformed police officer. With the flip of a switch you just went from a legal property owner defending his life and property, to a low-down cop killer. What if the cop killed you instead, when you sprang out of bed reaching for you gun? He's gonna walk, scott-free and we both know it.

Point being, dogs don't distinguish or recognize the "police authority," of another police dog. And, right or wrong, if someone or some animal attacks a cop's dog, the cop will always defend their dog FIRST.

I admit it is a predicament. The proverbial rock and hard place. But if a dog came in my yard, and my dog defended his domain, and the owner of the offending dog killed my dog for doing what my dog supposed to do. We're gonna have BIG problems. Cop or not. Now jerry, you KNOW I admire and respect the men and women in blue. I usually side with them 99% of the time. Nobody can rightfully accuse me of ever being a "cop hater." But, there is a problem We have to admit it. We need to address it.
 
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Jerry said:
A policeman's life matters more than your pet's life, yup :peace
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That's all well and good.

A police dog's life also matters more than your life, (or mine.)
 
Jerry said:
Owning a dog that will attack people is a hazard and thus not permissible rather you're around or not.
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If that was the law there would be no guard dogs.
 
j-mac said:
1. You don't know why the man on the bike ran, do you?

2. So, it's fine with you to put police at a disadvantage. That's all we need know about your position.

3. Calling off high speed car chases is meant to protect a driving public that largely are oblivious when they drive. Tell us what person is in danger in a foot pursuit.
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Someone's pet was put in danger, that is enough reason not to pursue someone guilty of a traffic infraction by trespassing on someone's residential property. Pets lives have a lot of value to their owners that is akin to their feelings for a family member. One person here said she would kill or die to protect her dog, an indication of the deep bond people have with their pets.
 
j-mac said:
Or a child molester, armed robber, or murderer...how would you know?
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No one knew at the time but there was no reason to assume the person was dangerous. In fact, the fact that the bicyclist fled rather than attack the police is an indication that he was probably not a danger to the public. Again, that dog's life was not worth sacrificing for the extremely slim possibility that the bicyclist was dangerous.
 
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VanceMack said:
Cant it be possible that SOMETIMES there just really arent any 'bad guys' in a particular story? It doesnt sound like the owner was a bad guy. Sounds like he had a dog and an invisible fence and unless Im missing something, he didnt own a killer dog. The dog doesnt sound like a rabid threat to humankind...he was just a dog, doing what dogs by instinct do. He wasnt roaming the neighborhood mauling small children. The cop that shot the dog was defending a K9 unit. What...he wasnt supposed to do that?

Its a ****ty set of circumstances that SOMETIMES happens.
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They should have not initiated a search involving helicopters and K9 units invading people's yards without notification for something as inconsequential as a bicyclist running away from cops. It was almost inevitable that they would encounter dogs in people's yards that would threaten their dog. They had no reason to assume the bicyclist was dangerous to the public. It was a stupid and terrible decision that will cost the town money settling the lawsuit and increases hostility towards the police.

This incident may be a symptom of the increased militarization of the police that the federal government encourages with grants and gifts of surplus military equipment. Those policies encourage the local Barney Fife's to go commando and pull out all the stops and endanger the public to chase a bicyclist that ran a stop sign.
 
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Hard Truth said:
They should have not initiated a search involving helicopters and K9 units invading people's yards without notification for something as inconsequential as a bicyclist running away from cops. It was almost inevitable that they would encounter dogs in people's yards that would threaten their dog. They had no reason to assume the bicyclist was dangerous to the public. It was a stupid and terrible decision that will cost the town money settling the lawsuit and increases hostility towards the police.

This incident may be a symptom of the increased militarization of the police that the federal government encourages with grants and gifts of surplus military equipment. Those policies encourage the local Barney Fife's to go commando and pull out all the stops and endanger the public to chase a bicyclist that ran a stop sign.
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It may very well be that there wasn't a need to chase after him. Some states have changed their LE policy to cease auto chases. Maybe this is a really good opportunity to address their community policing policies.

Your ridiculous foray into the military policing notwithstanding....your initial point actually is valid.
 
Hard Truth said:
If that was the law there would be no guard dogs.
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Actual guard dogs, meaning professionaly trained, are fine because while they may make alot of noise they won't actually attack untill given the command.
 
Hard Truth said:
Someone's pet was put in danger, that is enough reason not to pursue someone guilty of a traffic infraction by trespassing on someone's residential property. Pets lives have a lot of value to their owners that is akin to their feelings for a family member. One person here said she would kill or die to protect her dog, an indication of the deep bond people have with their pets.
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Your pet has a lot of value...to you. Your pet has little value to most everyone else. If you value your pet then keep them from attacking anyone you don't spicificaly order attacked.
 
Hard Truth said:
They should have not initiated a search involving helicopters and K9 units invading people's yards without notification for something as inconsequential as a bicyclist running away from cops. It was almost inevitable that they would encounter dogs in people's yards that would threaten their dog. They had no reason to assume the bicyclist was dangerous to the public. It was a stupid and terrible decision that will cost the town money settling the lawsuit and increases hostility towards the police.

This incident may be a symptom of the increased militarization of the police that the federal government encourages with grants and gifts of surplus military equipment. Those policies encourage the local Barney Fife's to go commando and pull out all the stops and endanger the public to chase a bicyclist that ran a stop sign.
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That's one of the most profoundly ignorant posts I've read in a while. You actually believe someone running from the cops is going to stop and let the cops call literaly every house he may possibly run to. It boggles the mind.
 
Jerry said:
Your pet has a lot of value...to you. Your pet has little value to most everyone else. If you value your pet then keep them from attacking anyone you don't spicificaly order attacked.
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Well, hell let's just bring in Sharia law and jail the dog owner too.
 
Hard Truth said:
Someone's pet was put in danger, that is enough reason not to pursue someone guilty of a traffic infraction by trespassing on someone's residential property. Pets lives have a lot of value to their owners that is akin to their feelings for a family member. One person here said she would kill or die to protect her dog, an indication of the deep bond people have with their pets.
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Absolutely. We have a dog, and a cat and they are part of the family. However, we are talking about police pursuing someone who ran over a traffic violation. A pretty good indication that there was something more than that violation he was fleeing. Police have a duty to pursue. If it were my yard, or my dog that got put down in that pursuit, I would be devastated, but I would also understand that Police have a duty to go after the dirtbag that ran from them, and if my dog went after the cop, I would understand that he was protecting himself.

What you are advocating is a world where all one has to do is run, and they get away...I want police to catch criminals, and get them off the streets, NOT let them go.
 
Hard Truth said:
No one knew at the time but there was no reason to assume the person was dangerous. In fact, the fact that the bicyclist fled rather than attack the police is an indication that he was probably not a danger to the public. Again, that dog's life was not worth sacrificing for the extremely slim possibility that the bicyclist was dangerous.
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Wrong, that is NOT what we pay police to do. As a home owner, and a tax paying citizen, we want police to catch the guy. Your own speculation aside, you have NO idea if he was a danger to the public or not. That is a fact.
 
Jerry said:
That's one of the most profoundly ignorant posts I've read in a while. You actually believe someone running from the cops is going to stop and let the cops call literaly every house he may possibly run to. It boggles the mind.
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No, my position is they should not have escalated the search for the bicyclist to include helicopters and dogs when they had no reason to think that the bicyclist was dangerous. Most police departments would not have taken the actions they did in this situation because they have much more important work to do.
 
Mycroft said:
The only good Pitbull is a dead Pitbull.

The only good Pitbull owner is the one who shoots his Pitbull.

Just my opinion, of course.
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I have a German Shepherd/pitbull mix, he looks bad ass. He isnt badass, but I can leave my house unlocked with things in the yard and its all there when I get home. People like you are the ones that make certain people afraid of my dog for no good reason. I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for providing (at least in a small way) to the safety of my home. THANK YOU!
 
FreedomFromAll said:
I have a German Shepherd/pitbull mix, he looks bad ass. He isnt badass, but I can leave my house unlocked with things in the yard and its all there when I get home. People like you are the ones that make certain people afraid of my dog for no good reason. I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for providing (at least in a small way) to the safety of my home. THANK YOU!
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I don't mean to make anyone afraid of any breed of dog. I'm not afraid of Pitbulls. I am only of the opinion that a Pitbull is not a good breed of dog. It's been bred for only one purpose: To kill. That is a very dangerous animal to have in your life.

Now mix breeds are another matter. The ingrained characteristics of a Pitbull can be modified by the characteristics of another breed...such as with your dog.
 
Hard Truth said:
No, my position is they should not have escalated the search for the bicyclist to include helicopters and dogs when they had no reason to think that the bicyclist was dangerous. Most police departments would not have taken the actions they did in this situation because they have much more important work to do.
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Running is reason to believe the person is dangerous. The only people who run from cops are people with active warrants.

And using a helicopter and K9 isn't escalation anyway.
 
Hard Truth said:
No, my position is they should not have escalated the search for the bicyclist to include helicopters and dogs when they had no reason to think that the bicyclist was dangerous. Most police departments would not have taken the actions they did in this situation because they have much more important work to do.
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I don't believe you have the knowledge to make this declarative statement...I'd like to see you back this up, as in posting all police departments in the United States and jurisdictions in such, procedures for cases of fleeing apprehensions...I think you'll find in short order, that you couldn't be MORE wrong.
 
j-mac said:
I don't believe you have the knowledge to make this declarative statement...I'd like to see you back this up, as in posting all police departments in the United States and jurisdictions in such, procedures for cases of fleeing apprehensions...I think you'll find in short order, that you couldn't be MORE wrong.
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I know that there is a large range of policies regarding pursuit criteria and procedures, many of them focused on pursuit of a vehicle by a vehicle. Also, there are many places that have chosen not to have helicopters and there are places that can't afford one. However, I am discussing actual police practices, not the official rules. Most departments are too busy to do that type of search without reason to believe the person is dangerous because there will be a much more urgent need for those resources elsewhere. The action in this case is unusual, if it wasn't, there would be many more cases of pets killed by police if they routinely used dogs to chase escaping bicyclists and pedestrians through private property in residential areas.
 
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Jerry said:
Running is reason to believe the person is dangerous. The only people who run from cops are people with active warrants.

And using a helicopter and K9 isn't escalation anyway.
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Running is a sign that the person is not looking for a confrontation. Much more likely, the person who fled may have had some pot on him, been an illegal alien or had another unpaid citation. Probably not worth killing someone's pet.

Bringing in a copter and K9 is an escalation of the resources devoted to catching the subject, I didn't mean escalation of force or violence.
 
Hard Truth said:
Running is a sign that the person is not looking for a confrontation. Much more likely, the person who fled may have had some pot on him, been an illegal alien or had another unpaid citation. Probably not worth killing someone's pet.
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The pet was killed because it attacked, not because a human ran from a cop.

Hard Truth said:
Bringing in a copter and K9 is an escalation of the resources devoted to catching the subject, I didn't mean escalation of force or violence.
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"Escalation or resources"...you're grasping. Both assets were already in use, money already being speant on them. No additional funds were used by calling them in. It truly is a non-issue.
 
Jerry said:
The pet was killed because it attacked, not because a human ran from a cop.


"Escalation or resources"...you're grasping. Both assets were already in use, money already being speant on them. No additional funds were used by calling them in. It truly is a non-issue.
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Oh come on the police dog trespassed on the pitbulls property and got attacked for its misdeeds. Just about any dog would attack another dog that wandered onto their property.

The irony of this is that 30 years a go people were just as upset of German Shepherds as they are now about Pitbulls, most police dogs are German Shepherds.

Another factor that the anti-pitbull crowd ignores is that pitbulls are very popular. There are a lot more pitbulls out there than any other breed in many areas. Pitbulls have joined the rank of popularly feared dog breeds:German Shepherds, Doberman pinschers, Rottweilers, Wolf hybrids, Malamutes, Husky's, Chow's, Boxer's, Bullmastiff, And St. Bernards for a while because of one movie.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Oh come on the police dog trespassed on the pitbulls property and got attacked for its misdeeds. Just about any dog would attack another dog that wandered onto their property.

The irony of this is that 30 years a go people were just as upset of German Shepherds as they are now about Pitbulls, most police dogs are German Shepherds.

Another factor that the anti-pitbull crowd ignores is that pitbulls are very popular. There are a lot more pitbulls out there than any other breed in many areas. Pitbulls have joined the rank of popularly feared dog breeds:German Shepherds, Doberman pinschers, Rottweilers, Wolf hybrids, Malamutes, Husky's, Chow's, Boxer's, Bullmastiff, And St. Bernards for a while because of one movie.
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It's not trespassing when the K9 has the right to be there, which it did.
 
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