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Pit bull shot by Lee County deputy

I have realistic, IMO, worries about cops coming to my property for unfounded reasons and shooting my dogs that are here to defend me. I'll probably die too because I will fire to save them.

Because I know that I will not be a legitimate focus of police invading my property, I dont commit crimes.
The police can have legitimate reasons to enter your property that do not involve you committing a crime. These reasons can include:

- Making an inquiry as to whether or not you are a witness to an event.
- Assisting municipal workers (meter readers etc) who have expressed fears about being attacked by your dogs.


Jerry said it best: Unless you are being attacked, it is going to be hard to claim that the dogs were "defending you". In short, if you cant control your dogs, you risk alot.
 
An incredibly ignorant opinion, but an opinion. I have petted hundreds of pitbulls that I didn't know. Not a single one has snapped at me. Many small poodle type dogs have snapped at me.

My opinion is shaped by my own experiences with the breed, but it's actually not all that ignorant.


"In the 9-year period from 2005 to 2013, two dog breeds accounted for 74% of the attacks that resulted in death: pit bulls and rottweilers."

"71% of the pit bull fatalities have occurred in the past 10 years; 42% in the past four years; 24% in the past two years."

"Over 700 U.S. cities have adopted breed-specific laws since the mid 1980s, just after pit bulls (fighting dogs) began leaking into the general population."

"In the 9-year period from 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans, about one citizen every 18.6 days."

"In the 3-year period of 2006 to 2008, 18% of all fatal dog attacks occurred off owner property. Pit bulls were responsible for 81% of these attacks."

"In the first eight months of 2011, nearly half of the persons killed by a pit bull was the dog's owner and primary caretaker."

"In 2011, adult victims of fatal pit bull attacks more than doubled the number of child victims."

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-quick-statistics.php


You can find a lot more facts about Pitbulls and other dogs at that site.
 
When I read the headline, I thought of the rapper....Then come to find out it is about a dog, during a chase...Ok...So, if I am reading this correctly, those that say the police acted stupidly, to coin a phrase, seem to be on the side that says that police have NO right to defend themselves, nor do they have the duty to go after fleeing suspects...Am I missing something?
 
When I read the headline, I thought of the rapper....Then come to find out it is about a dog, during a chase...Ok...So, if I am reading this correctly, those that say the police acted stupidly, to coin a phrase, seem to be on the side that says that police have NO right to defend themselves, nor do they have the duty to go after fleeing suspects...Am I missing something?

Yes. We are actually saying that:
1. Police response should be proportional to the alleged crime or incident and costly resources such as helicopters and K9 units should only be used for the most serious situations.
2. Police should not be entering private property without permission for such a trivial incident
3. Police should not kill people's pets unless there is no viable alternative, and that is especially important when the pet is on private property and the police entered that property without permission.
 
My opinion is shaped by my own experiences with the breed, but it's actually not all that ignorant.


"In the 9-year period from 2005 to 2013, two dog breeds accounted for 74% of the attacks that resulted in death: pit bulls and rottweilers."

"71% of the pit bull fatalities have occurred in the past 10 years; 42% in the past four years; 24% in the past two years."

"Over 700 U.S. cities have adopted breed-specific laws since the mid 1980s, just after pit bulls (fighting dogs) began leaking into the general population."

"In the 9-year period from 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans, about one citizen every 18.6 days."

"In the 3-year period of 2006 to 2008, 18% of all fatal dog attacks occurred off owner property. Pit bulls were responsible for 81% of these attacks."

"In the first eight months of 2011, nearly half of the persons killed by a pit bull was the dog's owner and primary caretaker."

"In 2011, adult victims of fatal pit bull attacks more than doubled the number of child victims."

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-quick-statistics.php

You can find a lot more facts about Pitbulls and other dogs at that site.


Unfortunately pitbulls are popular with people who own them for the wrong reasons, such as fighting or trying to look tough and those people don't treat or train their dog properly. One reason I have never had an incident despite interacting with so many pit bulls is that I assess the owner, how the owner treats the dog and the dog's behavior before getting close. In my experience, many pitbull owners are the problem, but the dogs themselves behave well and are friendlier to people more than most breeds when raised and treated properly.
 
Unfortunately pitbulls are popular with people who own them for the wrong reasons, such as fighting or trying to look tough and those people don't treat or train their dog properly. One reason I have never had an incident despite interacting with so many pit bulls is that I assess the owner, how the owner treats the dog and the dog's behavior before getting close. In my experience, many pitbull owners are the problem, but the dogs themselves behave well and are friendlier to people more than most breeds when raised and treated properly.

My experiences indicate otherwise.

Pitbulls are time-bombs just waiting to go off. Doesn't matter what kind of owner they have...when they blow up, they blow up...and frequently someone dies because of it.
 
Yes. We are actually saying that:
1. Police response should be proportional to the alleged crime or incident and costly resources such as helicopters and K9 units should only be used for the most serious situations.
2. Police should not be entering private property without permission for such a trivial incident
3. Police should not kill people's pets unless there is no viable alternative, and that is especially important when the pet is on private property and the police entered that property without permission.

1. Response was proportional. Man on bike pulled over for not having a light at night...Safety issue. When stopped, man ditches bike and runs...So, according to you, ah well, too bad, guess that one got away right? Wrong! That's not how police react to someone running, and not how they should react to that.

2. Police have the right to go into, or through your yard in the pursuit of a criminal running...That is just a fact. And, I'll go one further, if the police are chasing someone who ran through your property, and they follow and are confronted by your dog, whom then attacks, they have a right to defend themselves, and that includes the K9.

3. Well, they need not stop and ask every homeowner if they can run through their backyard while in pursuit of a fleeing suspect, that's just foolish to think that they should. As a homeowner myself, I know that if the cops are running through my yard after someone they have my implicit permission, and I hope they catch the suspect without injury to themselves. Further, if my dog attacks them coming through, and they have to protect themselves from him, then they have to do what they have to do...I understand...

I can only guess by your answers here that you want police at a disadvantage.
 
Did they do a fly by with a mini-gun?
I doubt that. Though many Police forces have mine proofed vehicles.
I think it was an excellent use of limited resources. Do you agree?
 
Just the stupid ones that kills people's beloved pets to give a bicyclist a traffic citation.

And if that bicyclist ran from the cops because he murdered someone? People don't generally run from cops unless they have a warrant out for their arrest or have done something that can get them prison time. But of course all the cop haters here never admit, or at the least realize, that.
 
I doubt that. Though many Police forces have mine proofed vehicles.
I think it was an excellent use of limited resources. Do you agree?

Considering the direction of the anarchists these days, hell yeah.
 
1. Response was proportional. Man on bike pulled over for not having a light at night...Safety issue. When stopped, man ditches bike and runs...So, according to you, ah well, too bad, guess that one got away right? Wrong! That's not how police react to someone running, and not how they should react to that.

2. Police have the right to go into, or through your yard in the pursuit of a criminal running...That is just a fact. And, I'll go one further, if the police are chasing someone who ran through your property, and they follow and are confronted by your dog, whom then attacks, they have a right to defend themselves, and that includes the K9.

3. Well, they need not stop and ask every homeowner if they can run through their backyard while in pursuit of a fleeing suspect, that's just foolish to think that they should. As a homeowner myself, I know that if the cops are running through my yard after someone they have my implicit permission, and I hope they catch the suspect without injury to themselves. Further, if my dog attacks them coming through, and they have to protect themselves from him, then they have to do what they have to do...I understand...

I can only guess by your answers here that you want police at a disadvantage.

Since this is at night, put yourself in the dog owner's shoes. It is dark and you see a figure running through your property who pulls a gun to shoot your dog. Do you then have the right to shoot him to defend you and your family from an unknown armed person shooting his gun on your property?

Far as he knows this might be some madman out there on his property and ready to advance on his house.
 
The dog was shot on his own property - the dog owner could care less about someone fleeing a bicycle citation. Dogs will instinctively protect their territory, especially from other dogs; the K9 likely did not identify itself as a LEO and was attacked for cause. Blaming the dog, or its owner, is not likely - you enter private property uninvited at your own risk.

Dogs have no rights. Anyone can kill your dog and get away with it....not just police. Don't ask me how I know.
 
How do you know that? It isn't in the article. Source?
My source is having lived in cities for years. News and police helicopters constantly in the air is perfectly normal.
 
Many facilities have guard dogs to secure the property. Many people expect their personal dog to to secure them against an uninvited stranger invading their fenced property. The police had no legitimate need to trespass on that property, they should have gotten the owner's permission and he could have secured the dog. If they were chasing a known violent offender it might have been legitimate, but it wasn't in this case. There were a dozen different ways the dog's death could have been avoided without endangering public safety if better procedures were used. It sounds like these Keystone cops were bored and looking for an adventure.
The cop had a valid reason to be on the property. Keep your dog under control or it's going to die and you're getting sued.
 
The police can have legitimate reasons to enter your property that do not involve you committing a crime. These reasons can include:

- Making an inquiry as to whether or not you are a witness to an event.
- Assisting municipal workers (meter readers etc) who have expressed fears about being attacked by your dogs.


Jerry said it best: Unless you are being attacked, it is going to be hard to claim that the dogs were "defending you". In short, if you cant control your dogs, you risk alot.

If it's not an emergency, they have no right to shoot my dogs. they can wait, contact me, come back another time, etc.

Dogs defend property/territory. It's their nature, their job. And it's what many people want them to do.

And utility workers have a key to my gate lock and know my dogs.
 
If it's not an emergency, they have no right to shoot my dogs. they can wait, contact me, come back another time, etc.

Dogs defend property/territory. It's their nature, their job. And it's what many people want them to do.

And utility workers have a key to my gate lock and know my dogs.
Perusing a criminal is an emergency. The only kind of person who flees from the cops over something so lame is a person with active warrants. If your dog aggressively approaches a cop, that cop is fully justified in shooting your dog.
 
This is what I don't get; there are major things going on in our country and the world right now, and gay marriage and dead dogs are what draw the most debate here. To be quite honest, who cares? There are way more important issues than gays marrying each other and dogs dying people, get a grip.
 
This is what I don't get; there are major things going on in our country and the world right now, and gay marriage and dead dogs are what draw the most debate here. To be quite honest, who cares? There are way more important issues than gays marrying each other and dogs dying people, get a grip.
It's what people relate to the most.
 
I see what you're saying, and I love dogs too. I just don't get a 7 page thread on a dead dog, when people are being killed or going hungry.
 
I see what you're saying, and I love dogs too. I just don't get a 7 page thread on a dead dog, when people are being killed or going hungry.
I see only one page of 71 posts.

A thread isn't considered long here until it passes 1,000 posts and begins giving the server indexing errors. Even then, people will quote choice posts and carry the discussion over to a new thread to pick up where they left off. Our longer conversations span years, so don't worry about 71 posts.

Soon enough people will bring up the underlying issues of this story such as police use-of-force, owning a dog, etc, and that's the real topic, not the OP story.
 
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Since this is at night, put yourself in the dog owner's shoes. It is dark and you see a figure running through your property who pulls a gun to shoot your dog. Do you then have the right to shoot him to defend you and your family from an unknown armed person shooting his gun on your property?

Far as he knows this might be some madman out there on his property and ready to advance on his house.

Like I said, the Police have the right to chase a fleeing suspect through your yard. I'm pretty sure that should you grab your gun and proceed toward the cops, they would identify themselves before you could harm anyone...But even in the case that you opened fire, and were either killed, or injured by the police, it would not have been any crime by them as they were lawfully pursuing a suspect.
 
I see what you're saying, and I love dogs too. I just don't get a 7 page thread on a dead dog, when people are being killed or going hungry.

This thread is not about the dog at all, and wasn't intended to be from the start. It was started to further the narrative that the police are out of control, and should just be targets of criminals.
 
Since this is at night, put yourself in the dog owner's shoes. It is dark and you see a figure running through your property who pulls a gun to shoot your dog. Do you then have the right to shoot him to defend you and your family from an unknown armed person shooting his gun on your property?

Far as he knows this might be some madman out there on his property and ready to advance on his house.
If you can make out the gun then you can make out the badge.
 
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