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Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

What are you suggesting? What freedoms should an individual or group give up because society wants to correct these failings--presumably by force?

All of them, is what the Libbos want us to give up, and let people like Jonathon Gruber make our decisions for us.
 
Yes it does, otherwise, it's no actually a racist policy. By use of propaganda, people can be made to believe that it's so.

I'm going to have to insist that you explain why those so-called racist policies only effect a minority of blacks and no other demographic. Or, admit that all you're doing is spreading the propaganda.
You don't get a pass from racism just because you've failed to harm every single minority equally in a measurable way.

They're racist because they harm a race in a measurably higher way than other races. That's racist.
 
You don't get a pass from racism just because you've failed to harm every single minority equally in a measurable way.

They're racist because they harm a race in a measurably higher way than other races. That's racist.

You claim it isn't genetic, but rather societal. If that's true, then I'm afraid you're going to explain why only blacks folks are effected.
 
I like the way you failed to address any of the:

a) points I've made

b) statistics I've provided.

The stats you posted are circumstantial. You continue to fail to show us why those stats exist.
 
The only causes are genetic or societal. I'm of the opinion that the problems of blacks aren't due to genetic failures.

I don't see increasing opportunity as a loss of freedom.

Public schools haven't failed us, bureaucracy, funding, and parental involvement have failed our students.

Nope. It's either nature or nurture. Society is the nurturer. It's society's fault if we're not nurturing our citizens properly.

So if society decides that people should stay married you see that as an increased opportunity and not a loss of freedom? If society gets to decide to implement any necessary remedy to a societal failing in an individual or a group, then that becomes a reasonable possibility.

If society can't fix what you call societal failings, then doesn't that same logic say that society USA failure?
 
The concept of "nature vs nurture" is outdated and no longer a mainstream principle relied upon by psychologists.
It is a false dichotomy.
And, even if it were sound, common sense dictates that there cannot be any absolutes when it comes to the study of human behavior/psychology. It also disregards freedom of choice.

Since the beginning of this century psychologists (professionals not laymen) have refocused their efforts and beliefs on something called: epigenetics.
It has to do with the experiences and actions of our blood ancestors changing the "presentations" and prioritizations of our genomes. The genes themselves are not changed. Simply put- it refers to the "sins of our fathers" influencing our personalities and actions.

Epigenetics - Interesting stuff!
 
The left has to rely on ignorance and these flawed assumptions to make its case. Always has.
That's almost a contribution to the thread.
You claim it isn't genetic, but rather societal. If that's true, then I'm afraid you're going to explain why only blacks folks are effected.
Because of a history of poverty, combined with a history of racism, a history of broken homes, and
You seem to think pedaling the same old discredited lefty dogma is going to help you here, its not.
That's because:

a) we still have the same problems.

b) we still have the same causes to those problems because it hasn't been fixed.

If we'd actually fixed the problems 150 years ago, we wouldn't be still struggling with them today. Alas, it's still ruining lives and making for a less pleasant world for everyone involved.
So if society decides that people should stay married you see that as an increased opportunity and not a loss of freedom? If society gets to decide to implement any necessary remedy to a societal failing in an individual or a group, then that becomes a reasonable possibility.

If society can't fix what you call societal failings, then doesn't that same logic say that society USA failure?
I don't think I ever was advocating forcing marriage retention. I would encourage education and resources to aid people in being better partners, but that's not equivalent to denying divorce. I don't see that as a loss of freedom, but rather a win/win for both society and the individual.
 
:popcorn2:

New headline:

White dude threatens cops, tries to run over them, gets killed. This sparks debate over race relations and gun control on DP.

Amazing isn't it.

The lives of police only matter here on DP when a black guy commits the crime.

Hurry, change the subject, whitey did it......
 
That's almost a contribution to the thread.

Because of a history of poverty, combined with a history of racism, a history of broken homes, and

That's because:

a) we still have the same problems.

b) we still have the same causes to those problems because it hasn't been fixed.

If we'd actually fixed the problems 150 years ago, we wouldn't be still struggling with them today. Alas, it's still ruining lives and making for a less pleasant world for everyone involved.

Its interesting that you admit the lefts war on poverty etc hasn't worked but seem to think more of that solution somehow will.
And many of these issues are more the result of the war on poverty than racism. I think you need to do some reading.
 
Only as much as I support the potential energy stored in a body to be released. There's been a systemic failure channeling buildup of discontent. This is merely a temporary release of some of that stored energy.

So you said all that bull**** to say that you support killing police... just ****ing admit to it.
 
I just posted a handful of charts showing the system abuses black people. Assuming that blacks and whites are equal genetically, and have equal opportunity in our system, the numbers should look equal.

Those numbers are grossly unequal. That's systemic abuse.

How are you so sure that those numbers equal system abuse and not cultural differences? Like valuing progress and education, respect for authority, etc.
 
You didn't address the fact that the system may be the problem, you simply dismissed it.

People are the products of their environment. Demanding equality from people treated unequally is not a solution, it's simply continuing the same problem.

And you haven't addressed the fact that culture may be the problem either.
 
You can either blame genetics or environment. Environment is a product of our system, that's the one that seems obvious to me. If we can accept that it's not genetic, then we're both on the same page of looking for systemic reforms to improve the opportunity of all citizens to live peaceful, productive lives.

So if you are Environment can also equal Culture.

Nobody can force black people to turn their cultural values towards something different except black people.
 
So you're concluding that it's a lack of positive reinforcement by liberals that's the problem and not the lack of wealth, the insanely higher incarceration rates, the lower quality education access, etc?

Wealth has to be earned/gained/worked for. There is no "systemic" fix for that.
Insanely higher incarceration rates are caused by insanely higher incidents of committing felonies.
I keep hearing about this "lower quality education access", but the only problem I find is that teachers don't want to work where their work isn't valued. If I ever became a teacher... I wouldn't agree to work at an inner city school either. The culture of those attending those schools doesn't allow the vast majority to value education.... and then there are the safety concerns as well.
 
Of course it can be used for many other purposes such as scaring away wild animals, warning someone else, intimidation, and so on but the main purpose is to kill. Even then it's undeniable that your analogy doesn't work. For it to work you must prove (just off the top of my head):
1) The purposes of cars and guns are the same
2) The impact of banning guns and cars are the same

Since it is impossible to prove even one of the above, your analogy fails. Nice deflection though, cherry-picking only one part of my post and pretending that it's the only point in the post.

Apparently there is no room for humor in politics. By the way, even some Olympic sporting events involve shooting.
 
Its interesting that you admit the lefts war on poverty etc hasn't worked but seem to think more of that solution somehow will.
And many of these issues are more the result of the war on poverty than racism. I think you need to do some reading.
You're like a broken washing machine: nothing but spin.
So you said all that bull**** to say that you support killing police... just ****ing admit to it.
I don't endorse violence.
How are you so sure that those numbers equal system abuse and not cultural differences? Like valuing progress and education, respect for authority, etc.
And you haven't addressed the fact that culture may be the problem either.
So if you are Environment can also equal Culture.

Nobody can force black people to turn their cultural values towards something different except black people.
Culture is a subset of environment, however, it's created by and with society.
Wealth has to be earned/gained/worked for. There is no "systemic" fix for that.
Insanely higher incarceration rates are caused by insanely higher incidents of committing felonies.
I keep hearing about this "lower quality education access", but the only problem I find is that teachers don't want to work where their work isn't valued. If I ever became a teacher... I wouldn't agree to work at an inner city school either. The culture of those attending those schools doesn't allow the vast majority to value education.... and then there are the safety concerns as well.
"Their" culture is our culture. It's American culture. It's a product of American citizens and created by American ideas, products, and history.

We built that.
 
You're like a broken washing machine: nothing but spin.

I don't endorse violence.



Culture is a subset of environment, however, it's created by and with society.

"Their" culture is our culture. It's American culture. It's a product of American citizens and created by American ideas, products, and history.

We built that.

We didn't build ****. Its not society as a whole's responsibility to clean up the ghetto and make people in there suddenly know how to act right.

When people in those neighborhoods start learning how to value education and success in civilized society instead of valuing "Being Hard" and the "Thug Life". When they start following the law rather than finding a way to break it at every step....

If you think that these "laws" and "policies" created this..... I don't know how to discuss this with you.

These laws and policies didn't create this thug life/don't give a **** about anybody but me attitude you are dead wrong.
 
We didn't build ****. Its not society as a whole's responsibility to clean up the ghetto and make people in there suddenly know how to act right.

When people in those neighborhoods start learning how to value education and success in civilized society instead of valuing "Being Hard" and the "Thug Life". When they start following the law rather than finding a way to break it at every step....

If you think that these "laws" and "policies" created this..... I don't know how to discuss this with you.

These laws and policies didn't create this thug life/don't give a **** about anybody but me attitude you are dead wrong.
We built the ghettos. We made the economic system that created ghettos. We made the culture. It's our problem. We need to address it.
 
We built the ghettos. We made the economic system that created ghettos. We made the culture. It's our problem. We need to address it.

And if someone doesn't like how we address it, then that is tough? That is the real issue, isn't it? When society decides that you are flawed and need to be improved, there really isn't any limit on what can be expected of the individual. Some decided that to get welfare you had to be drug tested. Are you OK with, or do you disagree with the idea of help coming with conditions?
 
We built the ghettos. We made the economic system that created ghettos. We made the culture. It's our problem. We need to address it.

So we take down the walls and let people out.. what? No walls? they can leave any time?

What's the problem, then? Clearly, if people stay there, they must like it there.
 
And if someone doesn't like how we address it, then that is tough? That is the real issue, isn't it? When society decides that you are flawed and need to be improved, there really isn't any limit on what can be expected of the individual. Some decided that to get welfare you had to be drug tested. Are you OK with, or do you disagree with the idea of help coming with conditions?
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So we take down the walls and let people out.. what? No walls? they can leave any time?

What's the problem, then? Clearly, if people stay there, they must like it there.
If society doesn't like what society has made, society should contribute to fixing the problem.
 
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If society doesn't like what society has made, society should contribute to fixing the problem.

and if someone doesn't like where they are, they are free to leave.

Clearly, the residents of the inner city ghettos must like them.
 
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