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Man tries to run over Pa. police, shot dead

apdst said:
No, I think it's a stark reality that I don't expect you people to accept.
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This is the part where you post a chart that shows that liberals not feeling blacks are treated equally by our system causes them to commit crimes:

I'll wait.
 
I'm reading posts about cops and African Americans. This dude doesn't look black to me. What do you think? Here's the local news with a pic.

Which doesn't matter. Some nutcase threatens cops then tries to run them over and gets killed for his trouble. How is that anything but a local story regardless of the race of the people involved?

It' a lot like the Michael Brown case: Thug robs store, then tries to take cop's weapon, gets killed for his effort, one less thug on the street. Good job.

And totally different from the NY case of the guy selling cigarettes: Five cops take down suspect in minor and non violent offense, wind up killing him with illegal chokehold.

See how, when you remove the white cop/black criminal meme, the stories don't look the same.
 
apdst said:
In yhe text, how are those laws meant to inhibit the black community's ability to get ahead.
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I'm not necessarily arguing that they're each entirely a conspiracy to handicap blacks, but that's the effect. They limit opportunity for the poor (who are disproportionately black) and increase opportunity for the rich (who are disproportionately white).

apdst said:
And, how do you explain the majority of black folks in America that don't seem to be handicapped by those laws. And, this is the big one...why are black folks handicapped more by these laws than white folks?
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an·ec·do·tal
ˌanəkˈdōdl/
adjective
adjective: anecdotal

(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.
"while there was much anecdotal evidence there was little hard fact"
characterized by or fond of telling anecdotes.
"her book is anecdotal and chatty"
(of a painting) depicting small narrative incidents.
 
Unrepresented said:
This is the part where you post a chart that shows that liberals not feeling blacks are treated equally by our system causes them to commit crimes:

I'll wait.
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I don't have to post anything, because we all KNOW that Liberals do nothing other than fuel the victimhood fire.
 
Unrepresented said:
I'm not necessarily arguing that they're each entirely a conspiracy to handicap blacks, but that's the effect. They limit opportunity for the poor (who are disproportionately black) and increase opportunity for the rich (who are disproportionately white).



an·ec·do·tal
ˌanəkˈdōdl/
adjective
adjective: anecdotal

(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.
"while there was much anecdotal evidence there was little hard fact"
characterized by or fond of telling anecdotes.
"her book is anecdotal and chatty"
(of a painting) depicting small narrative incidents.
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How do you explain only a minority of black folks are alledgedly effected by these racist laws?
 
Proud South Korean said:
That is the mechanism of guns although you are correct. So do tell, what does one usually hope to accomplish through firing such a projectile? What is the most common use of a projectile or a gun for that matter? Cars probably kill more people than civilian usage of guns, sure, but the purposes of each and the impact of banning them are intrinsically different that drawing an analogy between them is ridiculous.
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Well, being that the overwhelming majority of gun owners and enthusiasts never kill anyone, or anything, how do you come to the conclusion that the main purpose of a gun is to kill? Most people who fire such projectiles, fire them into paper (or other material) targets. So, using your "logic" that must be the main purpose of a gun.
 
Unrepresented said:
I disagree it's a false dichotomy. There's nothing else besides nature and nurture to draw from. Nothing.

Nowhere.

None.

Zippo.

Nada.




Zilch.

Feel free to provide alternatives to nature and nurture, or to continue providing fun synonyms for "none" with me.:mrgreen:
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But the number of variables to "nurture" are countless. So, for you to conclude that high incarceration rates for blacks can only be due to "systemic abuse", is simplistic, at best.
 
countryboy said:
Well, being that the overwhelming majority of gun owners and enthusiasts never kill anyone, or anything, how do you come to the conclusion that the main purpose of a gun is to kill? Most people who fire such projectiles, fire them into paper (or other material) targets. So, using your "logic" that must be the main purpose of a gun.
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I said "Kill people/animals/things". Sure most probably never killed a person and won't in the future but many probably did kill animals for sport/hunt and/or train for self-defense. You're just deflecting by attempting to prove other uses and I admit that those uses exist but that doesn't change the main purpose. Keep in mind we're only talking about civilian uses, if we include military and historical context, then my logic seems even more evident.
 
Proud South Korean said:
I said "Kill people/animals/things". Sure most probably never killed a person and won't in the future but many probably did kill animals for sport/hunt and/or train for self-defense. You're just deflecting by attempting to prove other uses and I admit that those uses exist but that doesn't change the main purpose. Keep in mind we're only talking about civilian uses, if we include military and historical context, then my logic seems even more evident.
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Even gewer edged weapons will be used to kill a person--hell of a lot fewer--but, knives are heavily regulated.
 
Proud South Korean said:
I said "Kill people/animals/things". Sure most probably never killed a person and won't in the future but many probably did kill animals for sport/hunt and/or train for self-defense. You're just deflecting by attempting to prove other uses and I admit that those uses exist but that doesn't change the main purpose. Keep in mind we're only talking about civilian uses, if we include military and historical context, then my logic seems even more evident.
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Actually it is you deflecting, and trying in vain to foist your opinion about the main purpose of guns on everyone. "Many", does not equal "majority". And training for self defense does not in any way, shape, or form equal "killing things". Remember those paper target thingies I mentioned earlier? ;)
 
countryboy said:
Actually it is you deflecting, and trying in vain to foist your opinion about the main purpose of guns on everyone. "Many", does not equal "majority". And training for self defense does not in any way, shape, or form equal "killing things". Remember those paper target thingies I mentioned earlier? ;)
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Let me get back to you after some sleep. It's 2:50am where I am so I need to catch a couple of hours of sleep. Good day to you.
 
New headline:

White dude threatens cops, tries to run over them, gets killed. This sparks debate over race relations and gun control on DP.
 
Dittohead not! said:
New headline:

White dude threatens cops, tries to run over them, gets killed. This sparks debate over race relations and gun control on DP.
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Lol, sounds about right.
 
countryboy said:
But the number of variables to "nurture" are countless. So, for you to conclude that high incarceration rates for blacks can only be due to "systemic abuse", is simplistic, at best.
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They come down to society ultimately. We determine the foods that we eat, the shows we watch, the schools we build and staff, the resources available for success, the distribution of income, the values we support, etc.

The failing of the individual is the failing of the society. The failing of the group is the failing of the society.
 
apdst said:
I don't have to post anything, because we all KNOW that Liberals do nothing other than fuel the victimhood fire.
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This isn't worth replying to, but it is worth saving for posterity, to show the level of discourse.
apdst said:
How do you explain only a minority of black folks are alledgedly effected by these racist laws?
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Something doesn't have to negatively impact every single person of a minority group to be racist. It simply has to impact them at greater levels than other groups.
 
You can't just look at outcomes and imply causation. Blacks commit more crime, violent crime, blue collar crime, etc.

Your flawed socialist notion of equality is the problem here, see my sig.

Unrepresented said:
Here's the systemic inequality in the imprisonment:
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Here's the systemic inequality in using SWAT:
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Here's the systemic inequality in being killed by police:
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Here's the systemic inequality in household wealth, which likely contributes to the above statistics:
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Unrepresented said:
They come down to society ultimately. We determine the foods that we eat, the shows we watch, the schools we build and staff, the resources available for success, the distribution of income, the values we support, etc.

The failing of the individual is the failing of the society. The failing of the group is the failing of the society.
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What are you suggesting? What freedoms should an individual or group give up because society wants to correct these failings--presumably by force?
 
Unrepresented said:
Inheritance laws. Public school funding. Voting access. Campaign financing. Minimum wage laws. Etc. Etc. Etc. All the typical liberal/progressive concerns.

Lack of access to opportunity are what maintains and builds on inequality that was created hundreds of years ago.
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Minimum wage laws have hurt blacks the most. And public schools have failed them-with any substantive reform being blocked by the lefts teachers unions.

Your concerns just aren't going to do it, in the mean time welfare and entitlements have gutted the black family. See why central planning is so destructive?
 
Unrepresented said:
I just posted a handful of charts showing the system abuses black people. Assuming that blacks and whites are equal genetically, and have equal opportunity in our system, the numbers should look equal.

Those numbers are grossly unequal. That's systemic abuse.
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This flawed logic is something to behold. :doh
 
Unrepresented said:
Something doesn't have to negatively impact every single person of a minority group to be racist. It simply has to impact them at greater levels than other groups.
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Yes it does, otherwise, it's no actually a racist policy. By use of propaganda, people can be made to believe that it's so.

I'm going to have to insist that you explain why those so-called racist policies only effect a minority of blacks and no other demographic. Or, admit that all you're doing is spreading the propaganda.
 
US Conservative said:
You can't just look at outcomes and imply causation. Blacks commit more crime, violent crime, blue collar crime, etc.

Your flawed socialist notion of equality is the problem here, see my sig.
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The only causes are genetic or societal. I'm of the opinion that the problems of blacks aren't due to genetic failures.
AliHajiSheik said:
What are you suggesting? What freedoms should an individual or group give up because society wants to correct these failings--presumably by force?
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I don't see increasing opportunity as a loss of freedom.
US Conservative said:
Minimum wage laws have hurt blacks the most. And public schools have failed them-with any substantive reform being blocked by the lefts teachers unions.

Your concerns just aren't going to do it, in the mean time welfare and entitlements have gutted the black family. See why central planning is so destructive?
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Public schools haven't failed us, bureaucracy, funding, and parental involvement have failed our students.
US Conservative said:
This flawed logic is something to behold. :doh
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Nope. It's either nature or nurture. Society is the nurturer. It's society's fault if we're not nurturing our citizens properly.
 
Unrepresented said:
The only causes are genetic or societal. I'm of the opinion that the problems of blacks aren't due to genetic failures.

I don't see increasing opportunity as a loss of freedom.

Public schools haven't failed us, bureaucracy, funding, and parental involvement have failed our students.

Nope. It's either nature or nurture. Society is the nurturer. It's society's fault if we're not nurturing our citizens properly.
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This is a window into the fail of the leftist mind.
 
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