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Toddler shoots and kills mother in Hayden Walmart

Aunt Spiker said:
This article has the most ridiculous quote I've ever read:

"She was not the least bit irresponsible. She was taken much too soon."

Leaving a loaded weapon in easy reach of a child isn't irresponsible? Wow. Is that what they would have said if the child shot one of his cousin's - that the mother wasn't being an absolute moron for letting the situation unfold?

Darwin Award. Good thing it wasn't one of the kids. Apparently it was just waiting to happen.
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You don't qualify for a Darwin Award after you've reproduced unless your actions also take out your offspring.
 
Jerry said:
You don't qualify for a Darwin Award after you've reproduced unless your actions also take out your offspring.
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Well - and it has to be self-inflicted and this is more by proxy.
 
PoS said:
Terrible tragedy. I own 2 1911s and these guns have manual safeties on them but even then I dont chamber a round- Im not a cop so Im not expecting a quick draw and fire situation and I have trained myself doing the Isreali draw (which is racking the slide as you draw) so this means that the only possible way my son could accidentally fire this gun is that he needs to chamber a round before pulling the trigger, and he isnt strong enough to do that. Guns need to be treated carefully, especially when you have young children around-
this tragedy could have easily been prevented.
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I totally agree and that's one of the saddest things about this tragedy-it didn't have to happen.
 
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This is why anyone who carries a gun has the complete responsibility to control the weapon at all times.
 
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SMTA said:
This is why anyone who carries a gun has the complete responsibility to control the weapon at all times.
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It's reported she had a CC permit, if that's the case, I wonder why she just didn't have it in a holster, wearing it on the hip-waist, and covered with a coat or sweater. I say this because I've seen a few people in stores doing it that way, it's obvious that a person is carrying though. Such a shame this happened.
 
TurtleDude said:
old six shooters were always carried with an empty chamber under the hammer. it didn't slow down your shot and it was a safety act because the old SAs could shoot if the hammer was hit

I carry a SA SIG 9mm with the chamber empty and I practice weekly drawing it and racking the slide as I shoot. its still under 1.5 seconds to draw and shoot from an IWB Stoner (Turtle endorsed-a local maker) holster
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My thoughts exactly. It may take me an extra second or two to rack the slide to chamber the round and sight the target but since Im not a cop and therefore not protected from any sort of liability, an extra second to identify any potential threat and decide whether to shoot or not is very very important.
 
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AJiveMan said:
It's reported she had a CC permit, if that's the case, I wonder why she just didn't have it in a holster, wearing it on the hip-waist, and covered with a coat or sweater. I say this because I've seen a few people in stores doing it that way, it's obvious that a person is carrying though. Such a shame this happened.
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It is a real shame indeed.

CCW can be very difficult for women who do not wear belted pants and have nowhere to wear a good holster.

I have never believed in off-body carry for a gun, as access and control are severely diminished.

There is an excellent website called corneredcat.com written by a women that addresses CCW issues for women.
 
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Poor training.

Poor choices

It was probably a glock, ("trigger safety")


Merry Christmas.
 
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PoS said:
As was explained in the earlier identical thread in the gun forum, most new pistols being produced now do not have manual safeties.
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Every pistole I own has a manual safety.

Condition 1 carry is far more safe than crappy glock type trigger safeties.
 
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AJiveMan said:
It's reported she had a CC permit, if that's the case, I wonder why she just didn't have it in a holster, wearing it on the hip-waist, and covered with a coat or sweater. I say this because I've seen a few people in stores doing it that way, it's obvious that a person is carrying though. Such a shame this happened.
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This is not an accident. It is a result of idiocy. The idiocy is the act of carrying a gun about in a supermarket. The discharge of the weapon is an accident waiting to happen.

Americans need to understand that this should be regarded as an unlawful killing. The responsibility was the stupid mothers so no action is required but it could have been anybody at the store that caught the bullet.

If you have a gun then that gun is the one which is more likely to kill you than all the rest of them out there.
 
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Tim the plumber said:
This is not an accident. It is a result of idiocy. The idiocy is the act of carrying a gun about in a supermarket. The discharge of the weapon is an accident waiting to happen.

Americans need to understand that this should be regarded as an unlawful killing. The responsibility was the stupid mothers so no action is required but it could have been anybody at the store that caught the bullet.

If you have a gun then that gun is the one which is more likely to kill you than all the rest of them out there.
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VPC talking points....
 
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PoS said:
As was explained in the earlier identical thread in the gun forum, most new pistols being produced now do not have manual safeties.
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I was going to make that point point but, I wasn't sure about the later generation Glocks. [My Wife bought hers many years ago]

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WCH said:
For those who don't know.

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If the dude wanted to be factual, the chance of being shot at all, is less likely than being struck by lightning, unless you have a criminal record.... non criminal shootings are very very rare.
 
PoS said:
It may take me an extra second or two to rack the slide to chamber the round......
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That's exactly why I carry with a round chambered.
 
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SMTA said:
It is a real shame indeed.

CCW can be very difficult for women who do not wear belted pants and have nowhere to wear a good holster.

I have never believed in off-body carry for a gun, as access and control are severely diminished.

There is an excellent website called corneredcat.com written by a women that addresses CCW issues for women.
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Golly SMTA, think what might have happened if there were a purse snatcher in the store, holy jeez.
 
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PoS said:
As was explained in the earlier identical thread in the gun forum, most new pistols being produced now do not have manual safeties.
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Which, and why not, and why have a round in the chamber? seems kind of stupid to me.
 
To put a face and a real idea who this mother was is this article from our local paper this morning.

I must admit that when I first read it was a shooting of a mother in Wal Mart I visualized a totally different person. And I realize I am guilty as many here who like to group people into designated stereotypical groupings.

A nuclear research scientist died Tuesday after her 2-year-old son pulled a loaded pistol from her purse and shot her while she was shopping at the Wal-Mart store in Hayden.

The horrific accident quickly attracted international attention, with media outlets worldwide carrying the story of Veronica J. Rutledge’s death.

Rutledge, a 29-year-old resident of Blackfoot, Idaho, died instantly.

“She was a beautiful, young, loving mother who was taken much too soon,” said her father-in-law Terry Rutledge. “She was out on what was supposed to be a fun-filled day with her son and nieces.”

Rutledge, an employee of the Idaho National Laboratory, was visiting family in Hayden with her husband, Colt. She had taken the children to Wal-Mart so they could spend their holiday gift cards. Her son, who was riding in a shopping cart, got a hold of the loaded pistol in her purse and shot her at 10:20 a.m. in the store’s electronics department.
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Toddler shoots, kills mother in North Idaho Wal-Mart - Spokesman.com - Dec. 31, 2014SRX_VERONICA_RUTLEDGE_t620.jpg
 
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AJiveMan said:
It's reported she had a CC permit, if that's the case, I wonder why she just didn't have it in a holster, wearing it on the hip-waist, and covered with a coat or sweater. I say this because I've seen a few people in stores doing it that way, it's obvious that a person is carrying though. Such a shame this happened.
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She was given a handbag that had a built in "holster" but was secured only by a zipper. She left the "holstered" handgun within easy reach of her child. Simply keeping control of the gun is impossible if you leave it in your shopping cart and walk away, even if only a few steps.

The inside story of how an Idaho toddler shot his mom at Wal-Mart - The Washington Post
 
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Tim the plumber said:
This is not an accident. It is a result of idiocy. The idiocy is the act of carrying a gun about in a supermarket. The discharge of the weapon is an accident waiting to happen.

Americans need to understand that this should be regarded as an unlawful killing. The responsibility was the stupid mothers so no action is required but it could have been anybody at the store that caught the bullet.

If you have a gun then that gun is the one which is more likely to kill you than all the rest of them out there.
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Well, it was basically not following firearm safety rules,

I was taught not to have a round in the chamber in semi auto pistols and rifles, or on any pistol or rifle for that matter, and to leave one cylinder empty on a revolver where the hammer is in the rest position to prevent accidental discharge,

might be a good reason for people who want to own a firearm to attend classes to learn more than they think they might know.
 
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good thing she had it with her, I hear Wal-Mart is a dangerous p0lace to be nowadays.
 
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