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Scalise Allegedly Spoke with White Supremacy Group [W:22, 100]

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I'm not the one defending a preacher who damns America. Case closed.

Never even intimated that you had to defend anybody. I just said that of course you don't get it. And that makes you anti-American.
 
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Never even intimated that you had to defend anybody. I just said that of course you don't get it. And that makes you anti-American.

Keep up the good work.
 
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Yeah, those in the Middle East that cheered are anti-American. Who cheered 911 over here?

Jeremiah Wright did.
 
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There are many extremist churches in the country: evangelicals are extremists. I don't put much credibility on the notion that Obama attended a "hate church". The right has been on him trying to tear him down since he took the oath of office: he was going to take the oath "on the Quoran"; remember? Black churches are a continuation of black history in this country. This country is rife with astounding contradictions and horribly unfair practices on the face our founding documents. So for a fire brimstone preacher to yell "God - damn - America" in the face of the facts only means that America is not what she's cracked to be and maybe God should be involved...

Sounds like your making little more than lame, issued talking point apologies for Obama's choices.

Choices with whom he associates (that a rather colorful list of characters - and your associations do in fact define you), the choices of churches he attended (again 'colorful' to say the least), and choices that he's made while in office, such as ridiculous legislative priorities (ObamaCare over economic recovery promoting legislation - in fact recovery hampering legislation and regulation).

No, America isn't perfect. But I betcha that it's a dam sight more perfect than most other nations in the world, and yet, Obama's choice, his promise to “fundamentally change America”, when really, America's foundation is probably in better shape than the rest of it, and really not in any real need for 'fundamental change', at least not in the direction that Obama desires.

The opposition party, realizing this, yes, has done their due diligence and done what opposing parties have done since the beginning of political parties, oppose those things which they see as least in the best interests of the nation and it's people. So what's your problem with that? That the opposition party doesn't prostrate themselves before Obama? For Christ's sake, Obama had it all for the first 2 years and could have gotten everything that he wanted in that time, and all he was able to manage was ObamaCare. That should tell you something about his meager capabilities.
 
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It is not an issue of assuming. First I would ask if you are politician, especially a politician with desires on higher office, why would associate with a known white supremacist. Second, if a known white supremacist ask you to come speak at group what would make you think that the group is not also associated with white supremacy. If you don't make that connection then that shows a complete lack of fore thought which is almost as bad as willingly speaking to a group of white supremacists. With all that said this directly refutes what Scalise as already stated on the subject. That he was asked to speak at the event by some unknown person and he left the vetting of that group to and unknown staffer. So now not only is he showing a complete lack of judgement but is then lying about it and throwing his staff under the buss while doing it.

Would you agree that there is no other evidence of him being racist?
And the evidence of 1 meeting is slim and not enough to hang a person for.
Intersting link if you wish to read it.
snopes.com: Steve Scalise Attended White Supremacist Convention?
 
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In looking around this thread and another on this topic, a lot of people gave credit to Scalise for just stepping up and saying if he did speak to a group of racist, he regrets doing so. Now it looks like Scalise did not speak to this group, but the fact he addressed the allegations head on and quickly is supposed to mean he should still resign, or step down or go into hiding. Or something. Who knows what the outraged torch wielding villagers want? Mob mentality is never known for its consistency or logic.
When you put it like that it reminds me of stories that, even after being proven wrong, take on a certain life that has many saying doesn't matter if it's false.
Hands-up-don't-shoot comes immediately to mind.
 
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Sounds like your making little more than lame, issued talking point apologies for Obama's choices.

Choices with whom he associates (that a rather colorful list of characters - and your associations do in fact define you), the choices of churches he attended (again 'colorful' to say the least), and choices that he's made while in office, such as ridiculous legislative priorities (ObamaCare over economic recovery promoting legislation - in fact recovery hampering legislation and regulation).

No, America isn't perfect. But I betcha that it's a dam sight more perfect than most other nations in the world, and yet, Obama's choice, his promise to “fundamentally change America”, when really, America's foundation is probably in better shape than the rest of it, and really not in any real need for 'fundamental change', at least not in the direction that Obama desires.

The opposition party, realizing this, yes, has done their due diligence and done what opposing parties have done since the beginning of political parties, oppose those things which they see as least in the best interests of the nation and it's people. So what's your problem with that? That the opposition party doesn't prostrate themselves before Obama?

Happy New Year, Erik! :2wave:

We have observed how it seems to go when they aren't in the driver's seat - the volumn of personal attacks increases, like any of us have a say in what's going on in DC! Whatever happened to "putting the shoe on the other foot?" I hope we see compromise rather than gridlock going forward - our country has a lot of internal problems to tackle - the infrastructure and our growing debt load being among the most important, IMO. We have a brand new year ahead of us, but who knows? Time will tell us, and history will one day record the results of what we do going forward. I can only hope for the best....
 
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If it's anything like Jeremiah Wright's church, that'd be pretty extremist.
What's extemeist about Jeremiah Wright's Church??
 
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Sounds like your making little more than lame, issued talking point apologies for Obama's choices.

Not at all. Just using reason against lame right-wing assertions. The right has never been able to prove any of this nonsense.

Choices with whom he associates (that a rather colorful list of characters - and your associations do in fact define you), the choices of churches he attended (again 'colorful' to say the least), and choices that he's made while in office, such as ridiculous legislative priorities (ObamaCare over economic recovery promoting legislation - in fact recovery hampering legislation and regulation).

Perhaps the church wasn't that colorful when he attended it. Maybe it was. Fire and brimstone churches are always colorful. They "preach with the times". So, reason says that, just because Obama attended a popular black church means nothing. Time Magazine put Adolph Hitler on the cover as "man of the year". We; US, attended his '36 Olympics. So what's your point?

No, America isn't perfect. But I betcha that it's a dam sight more perfect than most other nations in the world, and yet, Obama's choice, his promise to “fundamentally change America”, when really, America's foundation is probably in better shape than the rest of it, and really not in any real need for 'fundamental change', at least not in the direction that Obama desires.

The "America is best" talking point that is devoid of reality. Fundamentally changing America, means to bring the country back around to the fair principals of the egalitarian ideal of the individual is king of his castle. He is not a vassal of Wall Street that is forced to invade a sovereign nation because GW Bush wanted to exploit a natural resource and because he wanted to be a a wartime president uhee - uhee... Reason will tell you two things: changing is not about repealing the founding documents: it;s about changing the paradigm -(the most fundamental social quality a country can have). And secondly, stop listening to Mark Levine. He's ans extremist dush.

The opposition party, realizing this, yes, has done their due diligence and done what opposing parties have done since the beginning of political parties, oppose those things which they see as least in the best interests of the nation and it's people. So what's your problem with that? That the opposition party doesn't prostrate themselves before Obama? For Christ's sake, Obama had it all for the first 2 years and could have gotten everything that he wanted in that time, and all he was able to manage was ObamaCare. That should tell you something about his meager capabilities.

Today's opposition party exaggerates and lies through their teeth. They tell so many lies so quickly that you can't remember who said what, and that is a fundamental practice of propaganda. And, as for Obamacare: I'm on Obamacare now. Are you sure you want to go there? You'll eat your words.

Oh, and when did I say that Obama was a great president? Never have. He's a blue dog at best. Very disappointing.
 
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Or at least slinging an unsubstantiated charge around.

Why do you hate America?
 
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"The chickens have come home to roost" --Jeremiah Wright


Doesn't sound like cheering to me. Sounds like stating the facts. Reason says that he didn't cheer 911, he just stated the obvious. Can't go around toppling governments and putting profits in front of lives. Didn't work for the Romans either. The IRA had a few things to say to England on that note as well. And guess what? The Irish won.
 
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Why do you hate America?

Thanks for revealing yourself by invoking faux patriotism.

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--Samuel Johnson

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[FONT=verdana,helvetica,arial][SIZE=-1] Boswell tells us that Samuel Johnson made this famous pronouncement that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel on the evening of April 7, 1775. He doesn't provide any context for how the remark arose, so we don't really know for sure what was on Johnson's mind at the time.


However, Boswell assures us that Johnson was not indicting patriotism in general, only false patriotism.

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Doesn't sound like cheering to me. Sounds like stating the facts. Reason says that he didn't cheer 911, he just stated the obvious. Can't go around toppling governments and putting profits in front of lives. Didn't work for the Romans either. The IRA had a few things to say to England on that note as well. And guess what? The Irish won.

He said we deserved what we got. He's anti-American.
 
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What's extemeist about Jeremiah Wright's Church??

Jeremiah Wright is an unabashed anti-white racist.

Avenue Baptist Church on Sunday, Rev. Wright accused some of America’s most prestigious academic institutions of infecting black
people’s brains with “white racist DNA,” POLITICO reports.
. . . .
Wright went on to blast some of the country’s top universities for turning black people into “sheep dogs” and “biscuits” – what he calls African-Americans raised in white America. He also warned that attending the schools causes black people to get “that alien DNA all up inside their brain.”


“Take that baby him or her away from the African mother, away from the African community, away from the African experience … and put them Africans at the breasts of Yale, Harvard, University of Chicago, those trinity schools, UCLA or U.C. Berkley. Turn them into biscuits then they’ll get that alien DNA all up inside their brain and they will turn on their own people in defense of the ones who are keeping their own people under oppression,” Wright said.


He continued: “There’s white racist DNA running through the synapses of his or her brain tissue. They will kill their own kind, defend the enemies of their kind or anyone who is perceived to be the enemy of the milky white way of life.”


Keep in mind, Obama himself attended Harvard and Columbia University. It is also unclear whether Wright considers the president to be a “biscuit,” infected with “white racist DNA,” but he apparently never came right out and said it.
Jeremiah Wright: America’s Elite Colleges Infect Black People’s Brains With ‘White Racist DNA’ | Video | TheBlaze.com

What if a white person stated that if a white lives in a black neighborhood it would cause the white person's brains to be infected with black racist DNA?
I can't see that as possibly going over very well. Heck, it's easy enough to see any Caucasian who said that to be run out of town on a rail with a lynch mob of black, liberal, and progressive activists hot on his trail with pitchforks torches, tar and feathers.

Makes me really wonder why it's so readily tolerated when a black man spouts such racist nonsense.
 
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Thanks for revealing yourself by invoking faux patriotism.

[FONT=verdana,helvetica,arial][SIZE=+1]"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
--Samuel Johnson

[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,helvetica,arial][SIZE=-1] Boswell tells us that Samuel Johnson made this famous pronouncement that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel on the evening of April 7, 1775. He doesn't provide any context for how the remark arose, so we don't really know for sure what was on Johnson's mind at the time.


However, Boswell assures us that Johnson was not indicting patriotism in general, only false patriotism.

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No, that's an answer to a very simple question: it's a dodge to avoid answering it. One more time please: why do you hate America?
 
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No, that's an answer to a very simple question: it's a dodge to avoid answering it. One more time please: why do you hate America?

Keep up the agitprop. I have a record of nearly 34 years of active service to our Republic.
 
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Jeremiah Wright is an unabashed anti-white racist.

Jeremiah Wright: America’s Elite Colleges Infect Black People’s Brains With ‘White Racist DNA’ | Video | TheBlaze.com

What if a white person stated that if a white lives in a black neighborhood it would cause the white person's brains to be infected with black racist DNA?
I can't see that as possibly going over very well. Heck, it's easy enough to see any Caucasian who said that to be run out of town on a rail with a lynch mob of black, liberal, and progressive activists hot on his trail with pitchforks torches, tar and feathers.

Makes me really wonder why it's so readily tolerated when a black man spouts such racist nonsense.

Just a note: we always have that condition... There were no protests when those two cops were murdered by a black man over race. Obama became president.
 
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Keep up the agitprop. I have a record of nearly 34 years of active service to our Republic.

That means nothing. Why do you hate America?
 
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He said we deserved what we got. He's anti-American.

So then - pro American is intentional overthrow of sovereign governments. Killing people for corporate profit. Torture. Those are the actions of pro American people. And any kind of retaliation for said crimes is out of the question. So, the IRA was absolutely wrong in their actions against the English interlopers who tried to exterminate them.
 
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Not at all. Just using reason against lame right-wing assertions. The right has never been able to prove any of this nonsense.



Perhaps the church wasn't that colorful when he attended it. Maybe it was. Fire and brimstone churches are always colorful. They "preach with the times". So, reason says that, just because Obama attended a popular black church means nothing. Time Magazine put Adolph Hitler on the cover as "man of the year". We; US, attended his '36 Olympics. So what's your point?

You are equating associating with domestic terrorists and anti-white racists to be the same as the US attending the '36 Olympics? Really?

The "America is best" talking point that is devoid of reality. Fundamentally changing America, means to bring the country back around to the fair principals of the egalitarian ideal of the individual is king of his castle.

Up to this point we agree. However, I would point out that the wealth redistribution agenda is in direct conflict with the 'egalitarian ideal of the individual is king of his castle', as the government forcibly confiscates parts of that castle for distribution to others.

He is not a vassal of Wall Street that is forced to invade a sovereign nation because GW Bush wanted to exploit a natural resource and because he wanted to be a a wartime president uhee - uhee...

I think this to be superficial analysis of the reasons for invading the nations under GW Bush's administration. Too bad that we aren't going to get the entire story until the confidential presidential documents are released.

Reason will tell you two things: changing is not about repealing the founding documents: it;s about changing the paradigm -(the most fundamental social quality a country can have). And secondly, stop listening to Mark Levine. He's ans extremist dush.

Don't listen to Levine. I am still unconvinced that the nation needs that 'fundamental transformation' that Obama was talking about. I don't see how a remake in the image of a Community Organizer, one who promotes divisions and not unity, is really better for the country than a unifier.

Today's opposition party exaggerates and lies through their teeth. They tell so many lies so quickly that you can't remember who said what, and that is a fundamental practice of propaganda.

As if the Liberals, Progressives, and Democrats don't engage is the same. Please. We are all far too adult to buy into that.

And, as for Obamacare: I'm on Obamacare now. Are you sure you want to go there? You'll eat your words.

I have great concern about ObamaCare. It was already known back in '09 that it was unaffordable. And after this was known, Obama still had the gall to go forth before the entire nation and make promises he knew he couldn't keep to sell it. Malicious liar that he is (and yes this is much worse than previous politicians - with intent and malice).

Gruber In 2009: Obamacare Will NOT Be Affordable | The Daily Caller

Which may very well lead to

Iowa Obamacare Insurer's Collapse Could Leave Customers On The Hook For Thousands | The Daily Caller

And we till have the employer mandate implementation coming. Could possibly turn out that all the smaller employers will dump all their employees onto the ObamaCare exchanges, leading to only what will be far more chaos than we've seen to date.

Oh, and when did I say that Obama was a great president? Never have. He's a blue dog at best. Very disappointing.

I shudder how much more damage to the nation it would take for your to not be disappointed in a president.
 
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So then - pro American is intentional overthrow of sovereign governments. Killing people for corporate profit. Torture. Those are the actions of pro American people. And any kind of retaliation for said crimes is out of the question. So, the IRA was absolutely wrong in their actions against the English interlopers who tried to exterminate them.

Are you actually defending the IRA?
 
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