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NK did not hack sony, according to security experts

clownboy said:
The NSA pays more and has always accepted hackers. Roughly double the salary and they don't have a dress code. The problem for the FBI is they can't seem to look past your credentials which are essentially criminal by law.

But in this case, Sony had horridly screwed the pooch where it comes to security and again any decent network admin should have been able to tell them where the attack was sourced and to mitigate it within hours at the outside.
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Yes, NSA is becoming more and more like China's hacking unit. NSA does heavily recruit hackers but NSA hacking unit is designed to hack not prevent hacking. FBI has always been behind the 8 ball on technology advances and NSA has always been used to take advantage in an offensive capacity. For example... the shutting down of NK "internet".. that was probably NSA.

To me, this was an inside job. Somebody who worked at Sony or currently still does in IT had all the ability to do it. The first emails sent to Sony before and during the hack was about Sony business practices and not about the movie.

FBI, Media, Sony and Obama made it about the movie. But wonder why? Oh that's right State Department actually advise Sony about making a movie about North Korea instead of a generic country like in the "Dictator".
 
Fearandloathing said:
Amazing "leadership" from the community organizer.

Moves a giant step closer to war based on questionable evidence.

Now that's an OOPS with a capital OO
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Amazing predictable response from you. It's Obama's fault!
 
austrianecon said:
Yes, NSA is becoming more and more like China's hacking unit. NSA does heavily recruit hackers but NSA hacking unit is designed to hack not prevent hacking. FBI has always been behind the 8 ball on technology advances and NSA has always been used to take advantage in an offensive capacity. For example... the shutting down of NK "internet".. that was probably NSA.

To me, this was an inside job. Somebody who worked at Sony or currently still does in IT had all the ability to do it. The first emails sent to Sony before and during the hack was about Sony business practices and not about the movie.

FBI, Media, Sony and Obama made it about the movie. But wonder why? Oh that's right State Department actually advise Sony about making a movie about North Korea instead of a generic country like in the "Dictator".
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So what are your qualifications to come up with your conclusion?
 
austrianecon said:
Yes, NSA is becoming more and more like China's hacking unit. NSA does heavily recruit hackers but NSA hacking unit is designed to hack not prevent hacking. FBI has always been behind the 8 ball on technology advances and NSA has always been used to take advantage in an offensive capacity. For example... the shutting down of NK "internet".. that was probably NSA.

To me, this was an inside job. Somebody who worked at Sony or currently still does in IT had all the ability to do it. The first emails sent to Sony before and during the hack was about Sony business practices and not about the movie.

FBI, Media, Sony and Obama made it about the movie. But wonder why? Oh that's right State Department actually advise Sony about making a movie about North Korea instead of a generic country like in the "Dictator".
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Back in 91 when the web was being born I was buds with a fellow student just graduating with the university's first Computer Sciences degree program. He looked at both, and same story. the NSA paid better, nicer work environment (for geeks) and they didn't care what you'd done before in your life, in fact you get bonus points for showing some hacks. The feebs are a little too hidebound to attract the sort of folks that live on the tech edge. They'll always be at a disadvantage.

However, before you go too far chalking this up to Sony, you should know what the community is saying about their network security. It was shoddy. An eight year old with a Gameboy could have broken into it. In fact, how do you think the ftp topsites get the Sony movies before they are even released?

Sony may have run with that and made it into publicity, but I have little doubt they were hacked from the outside. You know, server admins, we do keep logs and they're not as easy to fart with as the movies make you think. And when they are altered, it's easy to tell that too.
 
clownboy said:
However, before you go too far chalking this up to Sony, you should know what the community is saying about their network security. It was shoddy. An eight year old with a Gameboy could have broken into it. In fact, how do you think the ftp topsites get the Sony movies before they are even released?

Sony may have run with that and made it into publicity, but I have little doubt they were hacked from the outside. You know, server admins, we do keep logs and they're not as easy to fart with as the movies make you think. And when they are altered, it's easy to tell that too.
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I am not saying Sony itself did it.. Just an active or former employee in IT department. Occam's Razor. It's more plausible then NK doing it. On top of that it's still an "outside" hack.
 
austrianecon said:
I am willing to bet you are trying to stroke your epen right now. When Norse and CloudFlare say it's bull****.. it's bull**** because they are leaders in Cyber Security. Norse also has real time tracking of hacks. FBI doesn't have a bunch of smart people. FBI is desperate for what they call "ethical" hackers. . So the FBI admits it's under manned in Cyber Security and aren't seeking the typical agent anymore who now currently staffs their Cyber Security division.. Imagine that..

Then I would also say Guardians of Peace claiming it and then putting up a message for the FBI at Pastebin.. which was:



FBI got trolled and you are still defending it?
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Don't own a epen and I am not the one here thinking I are so much smarter than the FBI so it looks like the only stroking going on here is you.

The FBI needing more people does not mean they do not have a bunch of smart people already it just means they need more. And if you honestly think the FBI can not get help from the NSA you are very naive.

I am not saying that the FBI is right or that it was NK that did this but to actually believe that the FBI didn't know what a proxy server is like you claimed shows you have no idea what you talking about.
 
braindrain said:
Don't own a epen and I am not the one here thinking I are so much smarter than the FBI so it looks like the only stroking going on here is you.

The FBI needing more people does not mean they do not have a bunch of smart people already it just means they need more. And if you honestly think the FBI can not get help from the NSA you are very naive.

I am not saying that the FBI is right or that it was NK that did this but to actually believe that the FBI didn't know what a proxy server is like you claimed shows you have no idea what you talking about.
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I think the FBI is 100% wrong and that's not thinking I am smarter then them, but rather I am not relaying on some horrible and out dated investigating methods from the 20th century for a 21st century technology. They are literally saying that an IP via a proxy server was used in a past hacking in South Korea is evidence NK hacked Sony. It's a ****ing proxy server which means anybody who uses the proxy server would by the FBI's own investigating would be a NK hacker, despite the proxy servers used are known hacker proxies and open to anybody to use.

NSA isn't there to prevent but to exploit systems. Basically their job is to hack systems so "collection" can take place. For example, NSA hackers hacked Skype so all communications in Skype can be collected by NSA or find back doors to Microsoft Windows. All NSA could do is back track the attack to the proxy servers and if they could follow the data enough would come to whatever conclusion.. That's not a special gift, that's what Cyber Security firms do.

End of the day... NK is easier to blame then some group with no nation state and then argue a Cyber Security bill has to be passed with a budget increase for NSA and FBI. It's all about money and who gains.
 
austrianecon said:
I think the FBI is 100% wrong and that's not thinking I am smarter then them, but rather I am not relaying on some horrible and out dated investigating methods from the 20th century for a 21st century technology. They are literally saying that an IP via a proxy server was used in a past hacking in South Korea is evidence NK hacked Sony. It's a ****ing proxy server which means anybody who uses the proxy server would by the FBI's own investigating would be a NK hacker, despite the proxy servers used are known hacker proxies and open to anybody to use.

NSA isn't there to prevent but to exploit systems. Basically their job is to hack systems so "collection" can take place. For example, NSA hackers hacked Skype so all communications in Skype can be collected by NSA or find back doors to Microsoft Windows. All NSA could do is back track the attack to the proxy servers and if they could follow the data enough would come to whatever conclusion.. That's not a special gift, that's what Cyber Security firms do.

End of the day... NK is easier to blame then some group with no nation state and then argue a Cyber Security bill has to be passed with a budget increase for NSA and FBI. It's all about money and who gains.
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You claiming that they don't know what a proxy server is and calling them twits sounds an awful lot like you saying you are smarter than them unless you don't know what a proxy server is and are you yourself a twit.

Have you ever worked with the FBI or have any actual experience with them that would let you know what investigating methods they are using or is this just something you are making up. I have some experience working with them and seeing some of their methods. The do some of the best work in the world. Why do you think countries from all over the world get help from them.

You also do not seem to know very much about the NSA if you think all they do is exploit other people's systems. They also are responsible for securing our nets as well. So yes they are there to prevent.

It seems you really don't have to much knowledge about what you are talking about and just like making things up. Talking about things you don't really know is not a real good way to look smart.
 
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MMC said:
"What".....Right wingers don't listen to Security Experts?
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They don't. The conservative posters here have (predictably) been going on and on about how NK must have been responsible for the hack simply because the FBI told them so,

in spite of the fact that experts in computer security have repeatedly denied that NK could be culprit.

Hence, the conservative mindset: "I believe whatever the US govt. tells me--it's the Divine Truth, even if it contradicts the statements of experts."
 
braindrain said:
You claiming that they don't know what a proxy server is and calling them twits sounds an awful lot like you saying you are smarter than them unless you don't know what a proxy server is and are you yourself a twit.

Have you ever worked with the FBI or have any actual experience with them that would let you know what investigating methods they are using or is this just something you are making up. I have some experience working with them and seeing some of their methods. The do some of the best work in the world. Why do you think countries from all over the world get help from them.
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And they can still lie.
 
solletica said:
And they can still lie.
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Which has what relevance to braindrain's point that they perfectly are perfectly cyber capable?

Hey you guys ever heard of the former Ft. Devens and know what was headquartered there? I bet not. I spent a few years there among some very bright people.
 
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clownboy said:
Yeah, if you discount the fact that any decent network admin can tell you the source of the DDOS traffic hitting them.
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:rolleyes: :lamo

You don't know what you're talking about. They could NOT. DDOS attacks consist of a flood of TCP SYN packets, and the source IP of those packets could easily be falsified.
 
austrianecon said:
I think the FBI is 100% wrong and that's not thinking I am smarter then them, but rather I am not relaying on some horrible and out dated investigating methods from the 20th century for a 21st century technology. They are literally saying that an IP via a proxy server was used in a past hacking in South Korea is evidence NK hacked Sony. It's a ****ing proxy server which means anybody who uses the proxy server would by the FBI's own investigating would be a NK hacker, despite the proxy servers used are known hacker proxies and open to anybody to use.

NSA isn't there to prevent but to exploit systems. Basically their job is to hack systems so "collection" can take place. For example, NSA hackers hacked Skype so all communications in Skype can be collected by NSA or find back doors to Microsoft Windows. All NSA could do is back track the attack to the proxy servers and if they could follow the data enough would come to whatever conclusion.. That's not a special gift, that's what Cyber Security firms do.

End of the day... NK is easier to blame then some group with no nation state and then argue a Cyber Security bill has to be passed with a budget increase for NSA and FBI. It's all about money and who gains.
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No, that's not how proxy servers work. I can easily identify individual users of one of my proxy servers.
 
solletica said:
:rolleyes: :lamo

You don't know what you're talking about. They could NOT. DDOS attacks consist of a flood of TCP SYN packets, and the source IP of those packets could easily be falsified.
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You've obviously never been a sysadmin and seemingly know nothing of sourcing or mitigating DDOS attacks. I just came off of a day of dealing with one such.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Which has what relevance to braindrain's point that they perfectly are perfectly cyber capable?
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It's irrelevant. If the govt. for which the FBI works has a reputation for lying (which it obviously does), then the FBI has no credibility.
 
Verax said:
You brought up the Gulf of Tonkin incident which is what I was mostly referring to.

If you listen to right-wing news then yes Obama gets the facts wrong on an hourly basis. However in the real world it is unlikely Obama would speak about this definitively unless it were true.
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You mean like when he stated the anti-Muslim movie made in the US caused spontaneous rioting in Benghazi?

Truth like that?
 
clownboy said:
No, that's not how proxy servers work. I can easily identify individual users of one of my proxy servers.
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Who needs the FBI ot NSA then? You've got all figured out! You must be a real genius!
 
solletica said:
They don't. The conservative posters here have (predictably) been going on and on about how NK must have been responsible for the hack simply because the FBI told them so,

in spite of the fact that experts in computer security have repeatedly denied that NK could be culprit.

Hence, the conservative mindset: "I believe whatever the US govt. tells me--it's the Divine Truth, even if it contradicts the statements of experts."
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:lamo

Didn't need the FBI to tell us who was responsible, sysadmins already knew. And this has nothing to do with conservative or liberal, it has to do with knowing what the hell you're talking about.

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EnigmaO01 said:
Who needs the FBI ot NSA then? You've got all figured out! You must be a real genius!
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Don't blow nonsense. I'm a good sysadmin who knows my trade, but I'm not the best. This isn't rocket science, not at the level you're talking about.
 
solletica said:
It's irrelevant. If the govt. for which the FBI works has a reputation for lying (which it obviously does), then the FBI has no credibility.
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This is not something they would lie about. They would risk serious repercusions. THEN they have credibilty problems.
 
clownboy said:
You've obviously never been a sysadmin and seemingly know nothing of sourcing or mitigating DDOS attacks.
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Please explain to us how one can determine the source of a TCP SYN flood attack. That's what you claimed in your post.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064139585 said:
You mean like when he stated the anti-Muslim movie made in the US caused spontaneous rioting in Benghazi?

Truth like that?
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Benghazi has been put to bed by a republican panel. Give it a rest.
 
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