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NK did not hack sony, according to security experts

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North Korea was NOT behind the Sony hack according to multiple security experts | Daily Mail Online

Article said:
- The FBI last week announced that they had discovered conclusive evidence proving the North Korean government was behind the Sony hack
- President Obama then attacked the country for their behavior during a news conference, and informed them that the United States would retaliate
- Now, the findings of the FBI are being called into question by many of the cybersecurity industry's leading experts
- What's more, after an independent investigation, Norse has determined that they believe a woman named 'Lena' is responsible for the hack
- Almost every expert stated that they believe the hack had to have been an inside job

If it was an inside job then it definitely would've been in the best interest of the FBI to blame it on a foreign enemy. If it was an inside job, what could this mean for internal security in the United States?

I also find the Russia connection rather interesting.
 
Really, especially when one considers that NK only has one CAT5 internet cable into the regime.
 
So we should just forget the threats NK made to the US for the movie now? That poor dictator and sweet regime has suffered a terrible injustice?

I don't think so.

Let kim stomp up and down and scream for justice. He can kiss my ass.

And just because the so called experts have doubts doesn't mean they know for sure. It was still a North Korean code that was used.
 
North Korea was NOT behind the Sony hack according to multiple security experts | Daily Mail Online



If it was an inside job then it definitely would've been in the best interest of the FBI to blame it on a foreign enemy. If it was an inside job, what could this mean for internal security in the United States?

I also find the Russia connection rather interesting.

Several points:

1. The private security experts did not necessarily have access to all of the information that the FBI and U.S. Intelligence sources had, (cyberspace and non-cyberspace e.g., possible intercepted communications).
2. The FBI only revealed a small portion of the information that was reviewed by the U.S., with sensitive information that could compromise sources and methods of collection not released.
3. The information that was not released may well have provided evidence that made it highly likely that North Korea did, in fact, organize the attack.
4. North Korea has engaged in provocations and other acts of aggression on a repeated basis. It defies logic that North Korea would treat cyberspace as if it were some neutral ground.

IMO, the U.S. acted appropriately in addressing this case. In doing so, it made an initial down payment on creating deterrence in cyberspace.
 
Here was some more info about The Sony Hack.....Would it surprise any if the FBI under BO somehow got it wrong about N. Korea?



This is Lizard Squad, the nebulous hacker group now tied to the Sony hack......

Best known among gamers, Lizard Squad is both despised and revered for their seemingly random assaults on the video game world. They've claimed attacks on Call of Duty, Xbox, Sony Playstation, and now are being linked to the Sony Pictures hack.

And now, at least one security firm is tying Lizard Squad to the Sony hack. Earlier this week, Los Angeles cybersecurity firm IntelCrawler told Bloomberg that both Lizard Squad and Guardians of Peace, the unknown group that has taken credit for Sony, share the same hacking timelines and slang.

The nebulous group was able to take these servers down through a DDoS, or distributed denial of service, attack in which it directed Internet traffic to overwhelm its targets' servers. Less than a week later, Lizard Squad made headlines when it tweeted a fake bomb threat to American Airlines and successfully grounded the plane. Sony Online Entertainment president John Smedley was on the flight.....snip~

This is Lizard Squad, the nebulous hacker group now tied to the Sony hack - CSMonitor.com
 
My question is, what's the motive? Boredom?
 
Here was some more info about The Sony Hack.....Would it surprise any if the FBI under BO somehow got it wrong about N. Korea?



This is Lizard Squad, the nebulous hacker group now tied to the Sony hack......

Best known among gamers, Lizard Squad is both despised and revered for their seemingly random assaults on the video game world. They've claimed attacks on Call of Duty, Xbox, Sony Playstation, and now are being linked to the Sony Pictures hack.

And now, at least one security firm is tying Lizard Squad to the Sony hack. Earlier this week, Los Angeles cybersecurity firm IntelCrawler told Bloomberg that both Lizard Squad and Guardians of Peace, the unknown group that has taken credit for Sony, share the same hacking timelines and slang.

The nebulous group was able to take these servers down through a DDoS, or distributed denial of service, attack in which it directed Internet traffic to overwhelm its targets' servers. Less than a week later, Lizard Squad made headlines when it tweeted a fake bomb threat to American Airlines and successfully grounded the plane. Sony Online Entertainment president John Smedley was on the flight.....snip~

This is Lizard Squad, the nebulous hacker group now tied to the Sony hack - CSMonitor.com

Yeah no surprise you once again see an opportunity to attack the president.
 
My question is, what's the motive? Boredom?

Heya Kevin they have some grudge against Sony. :2wave: That bit about them grounding a flight with Sony's CEO was quite interesting. One would think the FBI would have been up on that.
 
Several points:

1. The private security experts did not necessarily have access to all of the information that the FBI and U.S. Intelligence sources had, (cyberspace and non-cyberspace e.g., possible intercepted communications).
2. The FBI only revealed a small portion of the information that was reviewed by the U.S., with sensitive information that could compromise sources and methods of collection not released.
3. The information that was not released may well have provided evidence that made it highly likely that North Korea did, in fact, organize the attack.
4. North Korea has engaged in provocations and other acts of aggression on a repeated basis. It defies logic that North Korea would treat cyberspace as if it were some neutral ground.

IMO, the U.S. acted appropriately in addressing this case. In doing so, it made an initial down payment on creating deterrence in cyberspace.

Non-government experts might not have access to all the info, but they definitely have the expertise to make such statements. And if it was an insider, why would the government admit it?

Kim Jong-un himself said that his people did not organize the attacks. Yeah, not exactly a trustworthy source, but it lines up with the statements the experts have given. NK doesn't exactly have to lie about it given its protection from China.

Basically we only have the U.S. government's say-so that this was a NK attack, when it doesn't have the best credibility these days.
 
Non-government experts might not have access to all the info, but they definitely have the expertise to make such statements. And if it was an insider, why would the government admit it?

Kim Jong-un himself said that his people did not organize the attacks. Yeah, not exactly a trustworthy source, but it lines up with the statements the experts have given. NK doesn't exactly have to lie about it given its protection from China.

Basically we only have the U.S. government's say-so that this was a NK attack, when it doesn't have the best credibility these days.



Heya NL. :2wave: I think the poll on people trusting what BO has to say. Was like 60% believing he would lie.
 
All this is, is two prominent security gurus questioning the story. The statement "NK did not hack Sony" is purely speculation. The evidence released is weak and ambiguous, secret unreleased evidence supposedly tells the tale. They also lament that they believe an inside job is most likely.

I would be really surprised to find out the U.S. so openly and confidently condemned NK if they weren't extremely sure. I'd be even more surprised to find out this was all a lie perpetrated by our government???

Should be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
Non-government experts might not have access to all the info, but they definitely have the expertise to make such statements. And if it was an insider, why would the government admit it?

Kim Jong-un himself said that his people did not organize the attacks. Yeah, not exactly a trustworthy source, but it lines up with the statements the experts have given. NK doesn't exactly have to lie about it given its protection from China.

Basically we only have the U.S. government's say-so that this was a NK attack, when it doesn't have the best credibility these days.

Greetings, Northern Light. :2wave:

North Korea is now the leading headline? North Korea? What's new with ISIS, or Al Qaeda, or AlShabaab, or many others? Nope, they've all been handled, right, so we don't need to worry about them any more. The ME is now peaceful, but North Korea is now the big problem du jour? Uh huh, okay. Thanks, MSM, for keeping us so well informed about world events. Fascinating to watch how they operate....
 
Non-government experts might not have access to all the info, but they definitely have the expertise to make such statements. And if it was an insider, why would the government admit it?

Kim Jong-un himself said that his people did not organize the attacks. Yeah, not exactly a trustworthy source, but it lines up with the statements the experts have given. NK doesn't exactly have to lie about it given its protection from China.

Basically we only have the U.S. government's say-so that this was a NK attack, when it doesn't have the best credibility these days.

I don't question their expertise. Even experts, when examining a relatively small sample, can reach incorrect conclusions. That's because the sample in question wasn't representative. The largest amount of information--and more than just computer-related--remains classified. It is that information that provides a strong degree of confidence that North Korea was responsible. Launching the first retaliatory cyberattack is precedent-setting, and it is highly unlikely the U.S. would have done so or indicated it would do so (with a proportionate response) without fairly conclusive evidence.
 
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My question is, what's the motive? Boredom?

high profile cat and mouse with the white hat hackers who try to stop the back hat ones would be my guess
 
I don't believe they did either. I think Americans were just 'Grubered' again.

It was just a gimmick to get people to go see a stupid movie that would've otherwise bombed.
 
I would be really surprised to find out the U.S. so openly and confidently condemned NK if they weren't extremely sure.

Seriously?

Read up on the gulf of Tonkin incident and see if the govt would prematurely condemn a country and then stay the course on it.
 
Non-government experts might not have access to all the info, but they definitely have the expertise to make such statements. And if it was an insider, why would the government admit it?

Kim Jong-un himself said that his people did not organize the attacks. Yeah, not exactly a trustworthy source, but it lines up with the statements the experts have given. NK doesn't exactly have to lie about it given its protection from China.

Basically we only have the U.S. government's say-so that this was a NK attack, when it doesn't have the best credibility these days.


The problem with your rush to judge the FBI is your so called anonymous experts are not saying they don't believe it was NK; they are saying it may not be.
 
Heya NL. :2wave: I think the poll on people trusting what BO has to say. Was like 60% believing he would lie.

You do realize your constant digression to disparaging comments about the president ruins any unbiased credibility may have right?
 
Greetings, Northern Light. :2wave:

North Korea is now the leading headline? North Korea? What's new with ISIS, or Al Qaeda, or AlShabaab, or many others? Nope, they've all been handled, right, so we don't need to worry about them any more. The ME is now peaceful, but North Korea is now the big problem du jour? Uh huh, okay. Thanks, MSM, for keeping us so well informed about world events. Fascinating to watch how they operate....

Well one can only make the diwits in the mideast killing each other only so interesting so long. And there is a phenomenon known as outrage fatigue.
 
I don't believe they did either. I think Americans were just 'Grubered' again.

It was just a gimmick to get people to go see a stupid movie that would've otherwise bombed.

Doubtful. The stakes are too high to do something like that.
 
Seriously?

Read up on the gulf of Tonkin incident and see if the govt would prematurely condemn a country and then stay the course on it.

Prematurely condemn North Korea? WTF?!
 
Do we really need an excuse to harass North Korea? It's the epitome of a country with no rights whatsoever.
 
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