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Walmart customers “unruly” after store closes, police called

countryboy said:
Gonna have to call BS on that one. If this were the case, we would have this same story repeating itself all across the country. But, we don't.
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Maybe not to this extreme, but we see people complaining about stuff like this all the time. It's pervasive and sometimes explodes, though the explosions are not so common. The issue of delayed gratification is, though. It's societal.
 
countryboy said:
Gonna have to call BS on that one. If this were the case, we would have this same story repeating itself all across the country. But, we don't.
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What are you talking about? the best I can tell, this story is repeating itself all over the country. It may not make the news, and it may not be people trying to break into a closed Walmart or rioting because Walmart was closing for a holiday, but it is happening. People make unreasonable demands of businesses every day.

I've had customers to tell me that we HAD to accept their order, "because you are a business and you can't discriminate" (although our refusal to accept their order had nothing to do with discrimination at all). These days some people can't seem to accept "sorry, that's not a product we offer", or "sorry, we are not open on weekends".

If we have to wait some something, we tend to lose interest in acquiring it, but if we can immediately acquire it, particularly if our interest in it is just a whim, we are much more likely to make the purchase.

I get customers in my shop every day who are expressing an interest in a particular item, but as soon as we tell them that it will be tomorrow or next week before it will be ready, they seem to loose interest, and say something like "OK, I will think about it then" and leave.

It's unfortunate that I don't have a way to instantly create their custom designed and manufactured item, but most everything we make is a multiple step process, and often involves us having the raw materials shipped in.

Twenty five years ago, when I first started in my industry, this was never an issue. People realized that it took time to create custom products. These day's, more and more, people just assume that we have some sort of magic machine to make them, and we just say "machine, make this item" and it pops out, with no human labor necessary.
 
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imagep said:
What are you talking about? the best I can tell, this story is repeating itself all over the country. If we have to wait some something, we tend to lose interest in acquiring it, but if we can immediately acquire it, particularly if our interest in it is just a whim, we are much more likely to make the purchase.

I get customers in my shop every day who are expressing an interest in a particular item, but as soon as we tell them that it will be tomorrow or next week before it will be ready, they seem to loose interest, and say something like "OK, I will think about it then" and leave.

It's unfortunate that I don't have a way to instantly create their custom designed and manufactured item, but most everything we make is a multiple step process, and often involves us having the raw materials shipped in.

Twenty five years ago, when I first started in my industry, this was never an issue. People realized that it took time to create custom products. These day's, more and more, people just assume that we have some sort of magic machine to make them, and we just say "machine, make this item" and it pops out, with no human labor necessary.
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Surely you can see the difference between getting upset or losing interest, and becoming violent.
 
j-mac said:
Ok, so here is the question...I have noticed that peoples actions over the past 40 years or so have become more and more self centered...For instance, when I was a kid, never would you have had people going to this length to attempt to keep a store open just for themselves...

So, how about it? Are we becoming more selfish? Is this lashing out like depicted in the story a result of people feeling like they are being too tightly controlled? What say you?
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Selfishness has been raised to a virtual art form. Normal decadence is no longer enough, greed and disgusting decadence and selfish behavior has almost become the norm. Why think yourself lucky that a company and the good people who work there have sacrificed part of the christmas eve time so that you can do your shopping after most regular people have joined their loved ones at home for a nice meal and the enjoyment of being with those loved ones.

But maybe you had a job that made it impossible to shop until 8pm on chrismas eve, it is not like you could have done that shopping in any of the days leading up to xmas eve but still, needs must prevail, arrogance must be adhered to and you are the only person that matters on xmas eve, not the employees who worked a long holiday season and yearn to be with their loved ones for the holiday season. Noooooo, you and you alone are the one that matters and silly people who cannot see or understand that.

I live in a country where church and unions had made the Sunday into a no shopping day. But with the rejuvenation of the employer/employee relationship making it possible to not think of Saturday and Sunday as the 2 days in the week in which you have to be off (Dutch law says employees must have 2 days off in a week and those 2 days have to be consecutive). With cities/municipalities now being free to choice for themselves whether or not the shops may be open on Sunday, it has been a new day for Dutch shoppers.

When I was younger, shopping for groceries was done from 9am to 6pm on Monday to Friday and from 9am to 5pm on a Saturday and shops were closed on Sunday.

Nowadays, supermarkets are open from 8am to 8pm on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, from 8am to 10pm on Thursday and Friday and from 8am to 8pm on a Saturday. And with the added bonus of most supermarkets also being open on Sunday (differs from city to city but normally from 12am to 5/6pm is normal. And we as customers are happy with that change, it makes us free to decide on when we want to do the shopping. In the US most customers have been blessed with liberal opening times from shops, but at some point the people should learn to be happy with what they have. Have a bit of compassion with your fellow human beings who work in shops, allow them to have the same joy of Christmas eve as most other people get to enjoy and close at a regular/reasonable time.

Selfishness as said has been raised to a virtual frigging art form but enough is enough. People have to learn to be a bit less selfish and that will be to the betterment of the entire human population/society.
 
Kobie said:
The hackery never stops.
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Yes, I'm sure this was a pack of wild conservatives becoming violent over a Walmart closing early on Christmas eve. :roll:

Do you ever listen to yourself?
 
countryboy said:
Surely you can see the difference between getting upset or losing interest, and becoming violent.
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Yup, but the mindset is the same. It's the "you HAVE to satisfy me, and do it NOW" mentality.

We've largely brought this own ourselves, by becoming so good at satisfying our customers, and by creating ways that it can be done instantly or nearly instantly. Not that it's a bad thing, it's great when businesses can do that, but it might be creating a whole new set of social problems that we have never had before.
 
countryboy said:
Yes, I'm sure this was a pack of wild conservatives becoming violent over a Walmart closing early on Christmas eve. :roll:
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Oh, for crying out loud. I never made that claim.

There's zero evidence these people are "liberals." There's zero evidence that they are "conservatives." Why is it so hard to fathom that a group of people got swept up in a mob mentality that has nothing to do with politics or ideology? Why is there such a rush to claim "liberalism" is why anyone does anything bad?

You do realize that a great many Americans are largely apolitical, yes?

countryboy said:
Do you ever listen to yourself?
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I do, and I also listen to utter hacks who do NOTHING but see something bad and try to find a way to blame it on "liberals," evidence-free.
 
countryboy said:
Yes, I'm sure this was a pack of wild conservatives becoming violent over a Walmart closing early on Christmas eve. :roll:

Do you ever listen to yourself?
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I doubt that those people were polled for their political lean. In all honesty, I don't think that politics has anything to do with it.

The hackery is when someone tries to make it a political issue, blaming either liberals or conservatives.
 
imagep said:
Yup, but the mindset is the same. It's the "you HAVE to satisfy me, and do it NOW" mentality.

We've largely brought this own ourselves, by becoming so good at satisfying our customers, and by creating ways that it can be done instantly or nearly instantly. Not that it's a bad thing, it's great when businesses can do that, but it might be creating a whole new set of social problems that we have never had before.
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Oh gimme a break. Becoming violent, and not becoming violent are not the same mindset, and you know it full well.
 
Kobie said:
Oh, for crying out loud. I never made that claim.

There's zero evidence these people are "liberals." There's zero evidence that they are "conservatives." Why is it so hard to fathom that a group of people got swept up in a mob mentality that has nothing to do with politics or ideology? Why is there such a rush to claim "liberalism" is why anyone does anything bad?

You do realize that a great many Americans are largely apolitical, yes?



I do, and I also listen to utter hacks who do NOTHING but see something bad and try to find a way to blame it on "liberals," evidence-free.
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Rioting/mobs really are more of a lefty thing though.
 
countryboy said:
Yes, I'm sure this was a pack of wild conservatives becoming violent over a Walmart closing early on Christmas eve. :roll:

Do you ever listen to yourself?
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Do you ever think outside your little "lets attack the liberals" box? What is being discussed in this thread is the larger societal issue of what creates situations like this. I understand that the extent of your posting is "I want to attack liberals" but try to think outside your box and address the larger concerns here.
 
countryboy said:
Oh gimme a break. Becoming violent, and not becoming violent are not the same mindset, and you know it full well.
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If you think that the point I was making is about is unruly liberals, then I guess you are correct. But that wasn't really my point.

It was that people in general maybe are becoming overly demanding of others, in order to satisfy their need for immediate gratification is.

And I am still waiting for someone to explain how they know that those people at walmart are liberals.
 
imagep said:
I doubt that those people were polled for their political lean. In all honesty, I don't think that politics has anything to do with it.

The hackery is when someone tries to make it a political issue, blaming either liberals or conservatives.
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You guys are either being disingenuous, or utterly naive. Granted, there was little reason to take a jab at libs over this, but you can rest assured these folks aren't likely to be GOP supporters. :wink:
 
countryboy said:
You guys are either being disingenuous, or utterly naive. Granted, there was little reason to take a jab at libs over this, but you can rest assured these folks aren't likely to be GOP supporters. :wink:
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In bold. Then don't. This could, potentially be an interesting thread, discussing societal causes of behaviors such as this. It's a larger issue that permeates society. I see it as a gratification delay issue. Others have cited selfishness. Some have said lack of consequences. What do you think?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Do you ever think outside your little "lets attack the liberals" box? What is being discussed in this thread is the larger societal issue of what creates situations like this. I understand that the extent of your posting is "I want to attack liberals" but try to think outside your box and address the larger concerns here.
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Well, much of our societal ills are brought about by modern liberalism. Believe me, I wish it weren't so.
 
countryboy said:
You guys are either being disingenuous, or utterly naive. Granted, there was little reason to take a jab at libs over this, but you can rest assured these folks aren't likely to be GOP supporters. :wink:
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Most likely, they are apathetic to politics, and don't even understand the difference between being a republican or democrat.

You shouldn't assume for one minute that every republican/conservative has a mature mind, or that every liberal/democrat is childish. It's those types of attitudes which have driven many people away from the republican party.
 
countryboy said:
Well, much of our societal ills are brought about by modern liberalism. Believe me, I wish it weren't so.
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Ah. So you are doubling down on the hackery and have no desire to take the thread or issue seriously, Good to know.
 
countryboy said:
You guys are either being disingenuous, or utterly naive. Granted, there was little reason to take a jab at libs over this, but you can rest assured these folks aren't likely to be GOP supporters. :wink:
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LOL have you been to a walmart before? The trailer trash abounds...
 
imagep said:
If you think that the point I was making is about is unruly liberals, then I guess you are correct. But that wasn't really my point.

It was that people in general maybe are becoming overly demanding of others, in order to satisfy their need for immediate gratification is.

And I am still waiting for someone to explain how they know that those people at walmart are liberals.
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My original point didn't mention libs. I was arguing that being upset and committing violence aren't synonymous. But the point about libs is a valid one, albeit unnecessary for this discussion.
 
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