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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

What do you feel are the communist stances the ACLU has taken?

The origins of the American Civil Liberties Union are deeply entangled with Communism. Not the idealistic “liberals in a hurry” stuff of fellow-travelling fairy tale, but the bloody-minded sedition and revolutionary terror of hard historical reality.


[ACLU founder Roger] Baldwin’s radicalism caught the eye of the FBI, which quoted him in a 1924 report as having said: “The right to advocate a violent revolution, assassination, and proletarian Red guard, are all clearly within scope of free speech …”



The ACLU founder traveled to Stalin’s Russia in 1927 and wrote a book titled “Liberty Under The Soviets” the following year, which defended the Lenin’s and Stalin’s repression of dissent because they “are weapons in the transition to socialism.”
The ACLU's Communist origins | RedState

In 1927, he (Baldwin) had visited the Soviet Union and wrote a book, Liberty Under the Soviets. Originally, at the beginning of the ACLU, he had said, "Communism, of course, is the goal."

Roger Nash Baldwin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

William H. Donohue, PhD, President of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, said in his Aug. 23, 2006 interview with Stop the ACLU that:


"I believe that the American Civil Liberties Union is based upon a noble purpose. However, they often work against that very purpose due to a radical interpretation of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights... They are an arm of the radical left. In my first book..., I also exposed just how phony their claim of being non-partisan is.... Its record is far from showing impartiality. It is full of attempts to reform American society according to the ideals of liberalism."

Devvy Kidd, Founder and Director of the Project on Winning Economic Reform, wrote the Dec. 3, 2004 "ACLU Fulfilling Communist Agenda" for World Net Daily that said:



"For the past few decades, the ACLU has been on a major crusade to destroy Christianity in America, promote filth under 'freedom of speech and expression,' and of course, vigorously defend the homosexual culture of death...

Anyone who has been following the destructive path of the ACLU can easily see how effective these communist goals have been implemented to 'promote democracy' and protect your 'civil rights...' Perhaps it's time to recognize the ACLU as the American Communist Lawyers Union instead of their disingenuous 'civil rights' stage name
Is the ACLU a Communist or Left-Wing Organization? - ACLU - ProCon.org

Now, imagine that the founder of the American Heritage Institute, or Cato Institute had traveled to Nazi Germany and then wrote glowing reports about them and even said, "National Socialism is the goal."

Wouldn't you rightly say that these would be Pro-Nazi organizations---just on thay alone? Of course you would. Just because CNN and Time and the New York Times don't report these things about the ACLU does not make them less true.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

The origins of the American Civil Liberties Union are deeply entangled with Communism. Not the idealistic “liberals in a hurry” stuff of fellow-travelling fairy tale, but the bloody-minded sedition and revolutionary terror of hard historical reality.


[ACLU founder Roger] Baldwin’s radicalism caught the eye of the FBI, which quoted him in a 1924 report as having said: “The right to advocate a violent revolution, assassination, and proletarian Red guard, are all clearly within scope of free speech …”



The ACLU founder traveled to Stalin’s Russia in 1927 and wrote a book titled “Liberty Under The Soviets” the following year, which defended the Lenin’s and Stalin’s repression of dissent because they “are weapons in the transition to socialism.”
The ACLU's Communist origins | RedState

In 1927, he (Baldwin) had visited the Soviet Union and wrote a book, Liberty Under the Soviets. Originally, at the beginning of the ACLU, he had said, "Communism, of course, is the goal."

Roger Nash Baldwin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

William H. Donohue, PhD, President of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, said in his Aug. 23, 2006 interview with Stop the ACLU that:


"I believe that the American Civil Liberties Union is based upon a noble purpose. However, they often work against that very purpose due to a radical interpretation of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights... They are an arm of the radical left. In my first book..., I also exposed just how phony their claim of being non-partisan is.... Its record is far from showing impartiality. It is full of attempts to reform American society according to the ideals of liberalism."

Devvy Kidd, Founder and Director of the Project on Winning Economic Reform, wrote the Dec. 3, 2004 "ACLU Fulfilling Communist Agenda" for World Net Daily that said:



"For the past few decades, the ACLU has been on a major crusade to destroy Christianity in America, promote filth under 'freedom of speech and expression,' and of course, vigorously defend the homosexual culture of death...

Anyone who has been following the destructive path of the ACLU can easily see how effective these communist goals have been implemented to 'promote democracy' and protect your 'civil rights...' Perhaps it's time to recognize the ACLU as the American Communist Lawyers Union instead of their disingenuous 'civil rights' stage name
Is the ACLU a Communist or Left-Wing Organization? - ACLU - ProCon.org

Now, imagine that the founder of the American Heritage Institute, or Cato Institute had traveled to Nazi Germany and then wrote glowing reports about them and even said, "National Socialism is the goal."

Wouldn't you rightly say that these would be Pro-Nazi organizations---just on thay alone? Of course you would. Just because CNN and Time and the New York Times don't report these things about the ACLU does not make them less true.
I'll repeat my question: what communist stances do you believe the ACLU has? Show me court cases. Preferably from the last 70 years.
 
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Or we can just make America better and more free. I mean, if you're into improving things.

An improvement, not a great one though, would be to arm all the members of the ACLU and Amnesty Intl. and fly them to ISIS territory and let them try to convert the Islamic radicals to atheism. Not as good as converting them to Christianity, but a step in the right direction.
 
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There is right and wrong.

I agree with that. There is also a lot of "grey" in between.


Praise of the devil goes in the wrong category.

Who people pray to or idolize is really none of my business. As long as they don't infringe on others rights as an American I would have to say this is in the "grey" area. I may not agree with it but as an American they have freedom choice. You obviously don't approve and as an American (I assume) you have that right as well.

You wish to idolize evil?

I wish to keep my nose out of other peoples business. In this case I agree with J-Mac that they are putting up the display just to "mess" with those that find it necessary to display religious scenes on public property. Its not enough you can put the scene in front of your church, your house, your business. Some Christians feel the need to make sure everyone knows they are Christians because they are in the majority. The nice thing about the USA is that the minority is somewhat protected. I personally feel there should be no religious paraphernalia on public property but if you are going to allow some there shouldn't be discrimination. If you consider this "idolizing the devil" knock yourself out. I consider it adhering to American principals.

We don't need you, you are part of the problem.

Who is "We"? Truth be told I don't need you either. You don't even know me other than by some posts on a forum. How exactly "am I part of the problem"? To give you information I am Jewish although non practicing and consider myself agnostic. Not sure about the existence of God other than knowing you and yours sure as hell don't know either. My wife is Catholic and my 2 kids were raised Catholic but neither is religious. They can make up their own mind as far as I'm concerned. I'm a CPA (yea we are truly evil) and my wife is a college professor. I am "white" while she is "black" which means our kids have much better protection from the sun than I do. SPF50 for me and a cap. I consider those that need to force their religious beliefs on others to be "part of the problem".

Happy Holidays.

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Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

These "Satanists" are not a religion. They are atheists posing as Satanists in order to provoke Christians. Even their own website has the exact stance of an extreme atheist described in it. No matter what they or anyone else says that is all that they are. Such actions should not be allowed as it creates unrest and does not lead to a peaceful society. The OP is an example of that. While I don't condone her actions I certainly do not blame her for those actions. She was provoked imo. I don't care if they put up Islamic symbols or Hindu or whatever, hell, don't even care about Wiccan idoltry being put up. But these "Satanists" are doing what they are just to provoke and they should be shut down.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Satanism is a heinous evil.

For you. Not everybody has the same beliefs as you.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

These "Satanists" are not a religion. They are atheists posing as Satanists in order to provoke Christians. Even their own website has the exact stance of an extreme atheist described in it. No matter what they or anyone else says that is all that they are. Such actions should not be allowed as it creates unrest and does not lead to a peaceful society. The OP is an example of that. While I don't condone her actions I certainly do not blame her for those actions. She was provoked imo. I don't care if they put up Islamic symbols or Hindu or whatever, hell, don't even care about Wiccan idoltry being put up. But these "Satanists" are doing what they are just to provoke and they should be shut down.

So the barrier to allow religious freedom should be whether or not it "creates unrest" in the majority population?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

An improvement, not a great one though, would be to arm all the members of the ACLU and Amnesty Intl. and fly them to ISIS territory and let them try to convert the Islamic radicals to atheism. Not as good as converting them to Christianity, but a step in the right direction.

"Blah blah blah, my arguments are terrible and politically biased because it's easier to avoid actual debate."

Understood. But stupid arguments are stupid.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

The epitome of evil.

To you, but not others. Why do your beliefs have to be respected, but not the beliefs of others?
 
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I'll repeat my question: what communist stances do you believe the ACLU has? Show me court cases. Preferably from the last 70 years.

I'm almost out of time today, but knowing good commies follow the tenets of communism, and want to eliminate Christianity:

Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494 (1951), was a United States Supreme Court case relating to Eugene Dennis, General Secretary of the Communist Party USA. The Court ruled that Dennis did not have the right under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution to exercise free speech, publication and assembly, if the exercise involved the creation of a plot to overthrow the government. ACLU wrote in favor of the defendants.
Dennis v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1925 Gitlow v. New York Our first Supreme Court landmark. Though upholding the defendant's conviction for distributing his call to overthrow the government, the Court held, for the first time, that the Fourteenth Amendment "incorporates" the free speech clause of the First Amendment and is, therefore, applicable to the states.

1927 Whitney v. California Though the Court upheld a conviction for membership in a group that advocated the overthrow of the state, Justice Brandeis explained, in a separate opinion, that under the "clear and present danger test" the strong presumption must be in favor of "more speech, not enforced silence." That view, which ultimately prevailed, laid the groundwork for modern First Amendment law.

1931 Stromberg v. California The ACLU argued successfully that the conviction of a communist for displaying a red flag should be overturned because it was based on a state law that was overly vague, in violation of the First Amendment

1937 DeJonge v. Oregon A landmark First Amendment case, in which the Court held that the defendant's conviction under a state criminal syndicalism statute merely for attending a peaceful Communist Party rally violated his free speech rights.

1957 Watkins v. United States Under the First Amendment, the Court imposed limits on the investigative powers of the House UnAmerican Activities Committee, which had found a labor leader in contempt for refusing to answer questions about his associates' membership in the Communist Party.
1958 Kent v. Dulles The Court ruled that the State Department had exceeded its authority in denying artist Rockwell Kent a passport because he refused to sign a "noncommunist affidavit." The right to travel, said the Court, is protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.

1962 Engel v. Vitale In an 8-1 decision, the Court struck down the New York State Regent's "nondenominational" school prayer, holding that "It is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers."

1963 Abingdon School District v. Schempp Building on Engel in another 8- 1 decision, the Court struck down Pennsylvania's in-school Bible-reading law as a violation of the First Amendment.

1965 Lamont v. Postmaster General A unanimous Court found unconstitutional, under the First Amendment, a challenged Cold War law that required the Postermaster General to detain and destroy all unsealed mail from abroad deemed to be "communist political propaganda" -- unless the addressee requested delivery in writing.

1969 Brandenburg v. Ohio After the ACLU's 50-year struggle against laws punishing political advocacy, the Court now adopted our view of the First Amendment -- that the government could only penalize direct incitement to imminent lawless action -- and invalidated, in one fell swoop, the Smith Act and all state sedition laws restricting radical political groups.

1983 Bob Jones University v. United States The Court rejected two fundamentalist Christian schools' claim, supported by the Reagan Justice Department, that the First Amendment guarantee of religious liberty forbade the denial of income tax exemptions to educational and religious institutions that practice racial discrimination. Instead, the Court held that the IRS is empowered to set rules enforcing a "settled public policy" against racial discrimination in education

The ACLU's Most Important U.S. Supreme Court Victories

That enough?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

The epitome of evil.

Satanism is mostly the home of the misled and thankfully harmless. Its a false religion like Wicca but it's the land of fools rather than the dangerous.
 
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I figured an "independent" like yourself would think so.
'Independents' rely on evidence.
Christmas has nothing to do with constitutions, it has nothing to do with legislature, it has nothing to do with any part of official government business. Get serious.
It's the old "Why can't Johnny read?" problem. You missed the meaning completely.
 
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From your fearmongering, the Christian theocracy should have happened here long ago with all the nativity scenes brainwashing the masses.
You may have messed the meaning of my comment.

The American culture has been under attack for a few decades now with America being popularized by Leftists as an evil country. Dividing Americans by color, sex, the nationalization of the family, etc. all comes from the same, or similar, sources. The attacks on Christmas is seasonal but the attack on the Christian religion, in the US and around the world, goes on all year. The "Satanists" would never do this during Ramadan. The latest group under attack is the police.
 
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Satanism is mostly the home of the misled and thankfully harmless. Its a false religion like Wicca but it's the land of fools rather than the dangerous.
Fools are very dangerous. There's not a lot can be said in defense of ignorance.
 
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Cry cry cry, whine whine whine. Oh no! Christianity isn't the only religion to be recognized in America! Oh woe are we!
Why can't leftists read? Do you genuinely not understand the difference between religion and culture??

This ignorance among the left is just too widespread to bode well for the future of the country, especially if their numbers continue to grow.
 
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'Independents' rely on evidence.It's the old "Why can't Johnny read?" problem. You missed the meaning completely.

The fact that you can't tell us what Christmas has to do with democracies is pretty telling.
 
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'Independents' rely on evidence.

And yet some of them have imaginary friends.

Excuse me while I :lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
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Fools are very dangerous. There's not a lot can be said in defense of ignorance.

Coming from someone who believes in a god. :laughat:
 
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In practice, but contrary to the first amendment, the USA had many elements of a theocracy until the 1960s. Until then, there were fewer people outside the mainstream religions, so they generally lacked the power to oppose practices such as mandatory school prayers, bans on atheists holding public office and widespread discrimination against Jews. By the 1960s there was a greater understanding of the dangers of theocracy in response to the horrors of Nazism and communist suppression of religion and more people who were not mainstream Christians. That provided critical mass for an end to many of those theocratic practices and the courts finally recognized the problem and addressed it.


And there are plenty of people out there who would like to make our govt. into a theocracy. Anyone can search on "Dominion Theory" or "Dominionists" to find info on that
Dominion Theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dominion Theology or Dominionism is the idea that Christians should work toward either a nation governed by Christians or one governed by a conservative Christian understanding of biblical law. At least under this name, it exists primarily among non-mainstream Protestants in the United States. It is a form of theocracy and is related to theonomy, though it does not necessarily advocate Mosaic law as the basis of government. Prominent adherents of Dominion Theology are otherwise theologically diverse, including the Calvinist Christian Reconstructionism and the charismatic/Pentecostal Kingdom Now theology and New Apostolic Reformation.

PublicEye.org

PRA's definition since 2005:

Dominionism: The theocratic idea that regardless of theological view or eschatological timetable, heterosexual Christian men are called by God to exercise dominion over secular society by taking control of political and cultural institutions. Competes in Christianity with the idea of Stewardship, which suggests custodial care rather than absolute power. Used here in the broader sense, some analysts use the word only to refer to forms and offshoots of Reconstructionism.
 
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Satanism is mostly the home of the misled and thankfully harmless. Its a false religion like Wicca but it's the land of fools rather than the dangerous.

By what measure is the truth or falsity their religion different to Christianity? Satanism even shares the same characters, they just root for the underdog.
 
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Fools are very dangerous. There's not a lot can be said in defense of ignorance.

Fortunately over the past 40 years you have been proven wrong about their dangerousness.
 
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