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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

So why didn't the United States become a theocracy during the first 200+ years of having Christain displays on government property?

I believe you, the ACLU and all troublemaking atheists here in the US should practice what you preach. All of you should travel to ISIS territory in Syria and Iraq and demand that your atheist and multicultural ideas be represented near the public beading of infidels.
Religious influence, like most social functions, is a continuum. The fact that we're less theocratic than Iran doesn't mean we don't display aspects of it currently and historically. It's not all or nothing.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

It's difficult to take the word of those who ae in jail as they'll tend to say whatever you want to hear. But we've both probably heard prisoners say they have 'found God' in prison.

Religion in United States prisons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Reports are that O.J. has also embraced Islam.

And some get religion out of convenience. Prisoners 'converting to Islam to get protection from powerful gangs' | Daily Mail Online

Conversion to Islam in U.S. prisons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But we can clearly agree that the woman committing a crime in the OP was clearly not a Satanist and likely a Christian.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

But we can clearly agree that the woman committing a crime in the OP was clearly not a Satanist and likely a Christian.
Oh yes, she clearly felt strongly against celebrating evil.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

By itself, a Christmas display is not a step toward theocracy. Stores who support equal rights for gays have Christmas displays. However, when the government supports setting up a Christmas display, a nativity scene etc, it does not exist within a vacuum of actions. It exists within the context of a country where state legislatures fight tooth and nail to put the 10 commandments on government property (Florida). It exist within a context where there are trigger laws just waiting for the day Roe v. Wade gets overturned (Florida again). It also exists within the context of a country where homosexuality is attacked by government officials based on religious grounds (Florida again). Within this context of actions, a Christmas display certainly does count as one more step that state legislatures and governments towards a theocracy. If not a step, it is at least a sign that they are.
 
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Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

By itself, a Christmas display is not a step toward theocracy. Stores who support equal rights for gays have Christmas displays. However, when the government supports setting up a Christmas display, a nativity scene etc, it does not exist within a vacuum of actions. It exists within the context of a country where state legislatures fight tooth and nail to put the 10 commandments on government property (Florida). It exist within a context where there are trigger laws just waiting for the day Roe v. Wade gets overturned (Florida again). It also exists within the context of a country where homosexuality is attacked by government officials based on religious grounds (Florida again). Within this context of actions, a Christmas display certainly does count as one more step that state legislatures and governments towards a theocracy. If not a step, it is at least a sign that they are.
The United States is moving towards a theocracy?? Fantastic!!

You seem completely unfamiliar with Christmas and the cultural role it has played in the democracies!
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Oh yes, she clearly felt strongly against celebrating evil.
Most do, we don't share a common definition of "evil" as a species, however.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

The United States is moving towards a theocracy?? Fantastic!!

I figured an "independent" like yourself would think so.

You seem completely unfamiliar with Christmas and the cultural role it has played in the democracies!

Christmas has nothing to do with constitutions, it has nothing to do with legislature, it has nothing to do with any part of official government business. Get serious.
 
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I'd you're honestly interested in understanding the position feel free to explain what logical gap you're not following.

You said, Christmas decorations on the little town square is a "fundamental first step towards theocracy". I asked you, if that is so, why have we not descended into full blown theocracy yet? I asked you to describe in detail a timeline of sorts which would describe the progression you speak of. You will not. So, all we have is your assertion, without any sort of detailed description as to how we might evolve into a theocracy, simply due to some Christmas decorations. Got it? Or do I need to break out the crayons?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Well of course not, Christianity is true.

And Santa Claus comes down chimneys. :roll:
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

So why didn't the United States become a theocracy during the first 200+ years of having Christain displays on government property?

I believe you, the ACLU and all troublemaking atheists here in the US should practice what you preach. All of you should travel to ISIS territory in Syria and Iraq and demand that your atheist and multicultural ideas be represented near the public beading of infidels.

The ACLU deals with laws in the USA only. That the A stands for American is a hint.

There are other organizations supported by liberals that work to protect the rights of oppressed religious people under theocracies and other systems of oppression.

Search | Amnesty International USA

Search | Human Rights Watch
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

You said, Christmas decorations on the little town square is a "fundamental first step towards theocracy". I asked you, if that is so, why have we not descended into full blown theocracy yet? I asked you to describe in detail a timeline of sorts which would describe the progression you speak of. You will not. So, all we have is your assertion, without any sort of detailed description as to how we might evolve into a theocracy, simply due to some Christmas decorations. Got it? Or do I need to break out the crayons?
A) A theocracy is one point of a continuum along a political axis. It's not an all or nothing thing, just like communism, libertarianism, etc. There are positions a government or citizens can take that shift a nation closer or further from that point. We don't suddenly live in a communist nation simply because we extend social security benefits, but it does shift us leftward. In the same vein, we don't suddenly live in a theocracy because of a single town square Christmas display, however, if our judicial system accepts public, limited, endorsement and establishment of religion it shifts us significantly from the historical norms and guarantees established in the Bill of Rights.

B) As for a timeline, that's unrealistic. I don't have a crystal ball. But it's a significant encroachment on the separation of church and state.
 
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right!! Don't people realize that free speech rights are only for speech that doesn't offend? :screwy

Yeah, I love the people who claim to be patriots and pro-American, then don't know what the heck the Constitution says or how this country actually operates. :roll:
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

You break a society by first breaking their culture. That's the intent here.

From your fearmongering, the Christian theocracy should have happened here long ago with all the nativity scenes brainwashing the masses.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Religious influence, like most social functions, is a continuum. The fact that we're less theocratic than Iran doesn't mean we don't display aspects of it currently and historically. It's not all or nothing.

I like all the Christian stuff. It's all good.

The Satanic and Islamic stuff can go in the trash dumpster, along with their advocates.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

You said, Christmas decorations on the little town square is a "fundamental first step towards theocracy". I asked you, if that is so, why have we not descended into full blown theocracy yet? I asked you to describe in detail a timeline of sorts which would describe the progression you speak of. You will not. So, all we have is your assertion, without any sort of detailed description as to how we might evolve into a theocracy, simply due to some Christmas decorations. Got it? Or do I need to break out the crayons?

In practice, but contrary to the first amendment, the USA had many elements of a theocracy until the 1960s. Until then, there were fewer people outside the mainstream religions, so they generally lacked the power to oppose practices such as mandatory school prayers, bans on atheists holding public office and widespread discrimination against Jews. By the 1960s there was a greater understanding of the dangers of theocracy in response to the horrors of Nazism and communist suppression of religion and more people who were not mainstream Christians. That provided critical mass for an end to many of those theocratic practices and the courts finally recognized the problem and addressed it.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I like all the Christian stuff. It's all good.

The Satanic and Islamic stuff can go in the trash dumpster, along with their advocates.
Your subjective viewpoint is noted.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

The ACLU deals with laws in the USA only. That the A stands for American is a hint.

There are other organizations supported by liberals that work to protect the rights of oppressed religious people under theocracies and other systems of oppression.

Search | Amnesty International USA

Search | Human Rights Watch

I've looked at all their websites in the past. The ACLU is perhaps the most openly pro-Communist and anti-Christian of the three.

I doubt any of these Leftist groups has any real concept of what "justice" means. All of them have been very soft on the atheistic totalitariam government in recent decades:

Amnesty International has disproportionately criticized free democratic nations over authoritarian nations with grave human rights abuses, such as Cuba, Vietnam, and North Korea. This exposes an anti-American standpoint increasingly common in liberal groups. Peter Phelps, a writer for Australia’s leading free market think tank, The Institute for Public Affairs, wrote that Amnesty International has deviated from its founding goals,

Amnesty International - Conservapedia
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I've looked at all their websites in the past. The ACLU is perhaps the most openly pro-Communist and anti-Christian of the three.

I doubt any of these Leftist groups has any real concept of what "justice" means. All of them have been very soft on the atheistic totalitariam government in recent decades:

Amnesty International has disproportionately criticized free democratic nations over authoritarian nations with grave human rights abuses, such as Cuba, Vietnam, and North Korea. This exposes an anti-American standpoint increasingly common in liberal groups. Peter Phelps, a writer for Australia’s leading free market think tank, The Institute for Public Affairs, wrote that Amnesty International has deviated from its founding goals,

Amnesty International - Conservapedia
What do you feel are the communist stances the ACLU has taken?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

So why didn't the United States become a theocracy during the first 200+ years of having Christain displays on government property?

I believe you, the ACLU and all troublemaking atheists here in the US should practice what you preach. All of you should travel to ISIS territory in Syria and Iraq and demand that your atheist and multicultural ideas be represented near the public beading of infidels.

Or we can just make America better and more free. I mean, if you're into improving things.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

You break a society by first breaking their culture. That's the intent here.

Cry cry cry, whine whine whine. Oh no! Christianity isn't the only religion to be recognized in America! Oh woe are we!
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Oh yes, she clearly felt strongly against celebrating evil.

And she gets to be punished for vandalism.
 
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