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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

The reindeer? or baby jeezus?

I actually took that from a letter written by a guy who said he is a christian (and I have no reason to doubt him); he wrote the letter to the MRFF (Military Religious Freedom Foundation). The full quote from the end of his letter:

"I don't care if it rains or freezes -- cause I have my plastic Jeezus!"

I thought it was pretty cute. He went on to say to the woman who helps run MRFF "Won't you take Jeezus as your Saviour - my precious little Jew Woman!"

I figure if christians can spell it jeezus, so can I

It's from a movie. Then you claim it was one Christian and still pluralized it.

Learning to spell properly is not a handicap in life.
 
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Who taught you this?
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

That last sentence, the bolded words, is no longer a requirement for US military or civilian government employees. It is optional
 
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For the most part, I agree with what you say. People who believe this should remain a free country have to have the courage to fight this poisonous hostility toward religion, even if the fight costs a lot of money. I like the passages from School Dist. of Abington Township v. Schempp, the 1963 decision Justice Breyer quoted from in his concurring opinion in Van Orden v. Perry in 2005. In Abington Township, Justice Goldberg, joined by Justice Harlan, wrote this:

"ntutored devotion to the concept of neutrality can lead to invocation or approval of results which partake not simply of that noninterference and noninvolvement with the religious which the Constitution commands, but of a brooding and pervasive devotion to the secular and a passive, or even active, hostility to the religious . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The First Amendment does not prohibit practices which by any realistic measure create none of the dangers which it is designed to prevent and which do not so directly or substantially involve the state in religious exercise or in the favoring of religion as to have meaningful and practical impact." (italics mine)


I would tell the people who are trying to purge all religion from American public life to stuff it right up their jacks--and if they wanted to sue, to come right ahead and get their heads handed to them.


Seems Chesterton was right.
The nineteenth century decided to have no religious authority. The twentieth century seems disposed to have any religious authority.
 
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No one established, or tried to establish, any religion. Christianity was established well before the United States even existed. What is under discussion is public displays and they are usually granted, especially when a celebration occurs.

Good Lord...what horrible reasoning. Christianity existed before the United States, therefore it's not "establishing" a religion. Guess you feel the same about Islam? That also existed before the United States.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Good Lord...what horrible reasoning. Christianity existed before the United States, therefore it's not "establishing" a religion. Guess you feel the same about Islam? That also existed before the United States.
Of course. The government is not establishing Islam as a religion either.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

No one established, or tried to establish, any religion. Christianity was established well before the United States even existed. What is under discussion is public displays and they are usually granted, especially when a celebration occurs.

Your world and US history is really lacking. The non establishment clause was specifically designed for the religious zealots. It meant that everybody else could just live their lives without worrying about "absolute interloping" and suppression control.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Good Lord...what horrible reasoning. Christianity existed before the United States, therefore it's not "establishing" a religion. Guess you feel the same about Islam? That also existed before the United States.


So what are the Satanists celebrating during Christmas?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

It has clearly become a part of the Presidential Oath of Office, which even Barrack Obama repeated. 'So help me God' isn't in official presidential oath

If President Obama, a Christian by the way, or any other President wishes to say "So help me god", they have every right to do so - it is optional, a personal decision - the meaning of 'optional'
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Your world and US history is really lacking. The non establishment clause was specifically designed for the religious zealots. It meant that everybody else could just live their lives without worrying about "absolute interloping" and suppression control.
Here is what it says and zealots are not mentioned.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Since that time the courts have interpreted it differently, according to the times and constant 're-interpretations', but the Constitution speaks for itself. The Courts have drifted away but the Constitution remains the same.
 
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If President Obama, a Christian by the way, or any other President wishes to say "So help me god", they have every right to do so - it is optional, a personal decision - the meaning of 'optional'
Yes, it is optional but obviously 'un-secular' as well.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Your world and US history is really lacking. The non establishment clause was specifically designed for the religious zealots. It meant that everybody else could just live their lives without worrying about "absolute interloping" and suppression control.

I believe it is called "the establishment clause". And is called that because the founders were fleeing a religiously run government in England. The way you term it as "the non establishment clause" you are consciously inferring a freedom from religion, when in fact it is the exact opposite.

Now for the record, and as a Christian, raised Roman Catholic, since lapsed, I don't really have an objection to people displaying what they want, as long as we can all respect each others right to believe what we want....That word "respect" goes further than just me allowing non believers to be assholes to those that believe, and vice versa. It means not doing things specifically to disrespect what others celebrate as holy to them....I doubt truly that Satinists do what they do with any respect at all, so in my eyes they don't deserve such.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

No one established, or tried to establish, any religion. Christianity was established well before the United States even existed. What is under discussion is public displays and they are usually granted, especially when a celebration occurs.
We both know that I'm referring to the Establishment Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia not the establishment of Christianity itself.
Do you know something about Communism?
I minored in PoliSci. I know something about various political ideologies and practices.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

We both know that I'm referring to the Establishment Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia not the establishment of Christianity itself.
Here's the ruling on Christmas decorations, and they appear to be 'passive'.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynch_v._Donnelly
I minored in PoliSci. I know something about various political ideologies and practices.
The practice of Communism was especially brutal, as you would know.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Your world and US history is really lacking. The non establishment clause was specifically designed for the religious zealots. It meant that everybody else could just live their lives without worrying about "absolute interloping" and suppression control.

No it wasn't, it was "designed" for everyone. What an utterly silly thing to say. Do you have any evidence to support your ridiculous assertion?

Furthermore, how do Christmas decorations cause, ""absolute interloping" and suppression control"?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Here's the ruling on Christmas decorations, and they appear to be 'passive'.Lynch v. Donnelly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's a ruling on Christmas decorations that appeared only a few years later.

"the majority held that the County of Allegheny violated the Establishment Clause by displaying a crèche in the county courthouse, because the "principle or primary effect" of the display was to advance religion within the meaning of Lemon v. Kurtzman, when viewed in its overall context."

County of Allegheny v. American Civil Liberties Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The practice of Communism was especially brutal, as you would know.
The practice of an authoritarian government is extremely brutal, regardless of the economic practices that a government practices.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Yes, it is optional but obviously 'un-secular' as well.

On the contrary, not associated with any religion so it is quite secular.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

On the contrary, not associated with any religion so it is quite secular.

Referring to God is not associated with religion? On what planet?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Here's a ruling on Christmas decorations that appeared only a few years later.

"the majority held that the County of Allegheny violated the Establishment Clause by displaying a crèche in the county courthouse, because the "principle or primary effect" of the display was to advance religion within the meaning of Lemon v. Kurtzman, when viewed in its overall context."

County of Allegheny v. American Civil Liberties Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Supreme Court ruled otherwise.
The practice of an authoritarian government is extremely brutal, regardless of the economic practices that a government practices.
Yes, but Communism killed more people, and destroyed more lives, than any other form of government in world history. That should always be mentioned in case there are those with any romantic delusions about what the Communists actually did.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

On the contrary, not associated with any religion so it is quite secular.
God is no longer associated with religion? When did this begin?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Yes, but Communism killed more people, and destroyed more lives, than any other form of government in world history. That should always be mentioned in case there are those with any romantic delusions about what the Communists actually did.

Haven't you heard? Actual bona-fide communism has never been tried. :roll:
 
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God is no longer associated with religion? When did this begin?

Just now, evidently. :roll:
 
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Haven't you heard? Actual bona-fide communism has never been tried. :roll:
I guess we've all heard that one by now. They can do it voluntarily but insist that everyone else has to jump in as well.

I thought the fall of Communism would teach these people a lesson but apparently not. They still walk among us, some in very powerful places.
 
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