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Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol[W:649]

Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Face it, you have no idea what you are talking about. Contrary to popular lib mythology, a lie repeated ad nauseam, is still a lie.

Face it.....you really don't want religious freedom. You want freedom for your religion. How craven and petulant.

And, very Un-American.

You ran out of an argument a long time ago...now you are just forced to call people "lib"

Pathetic.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Dude, we've already established that's not my position.

OK, then what does it matter? They get to put up the display as part of expression, the lady gets punished for vandalism. End of story, yes?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I understand your disgust to have a group mock what is a sacred time to you and me. But consider who did it and their purpose behind it! The same with the atheist groups that whine about a Christian display at every opportune time dragging people to court over what? Their intolerance? Wise up friend. This display is nothing of what is yet to come.

I think I'm pretty well wised up on this subject. I know what the Supreme Court has said about it, and I know it has not interpreted the First Amendment to require any damned thing any bunch of crackpots or anyone who resents Christianity wants official approval for to be tolerated. On the other hand, in one case it saw no constitutional violation in allowing a KKK display featuring the Klan cross right outside a state building.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Face it.....you really don't want religious freedom. You want freedom for your religion. How craven and petulant.

And, very Un-American.

You ran out of an argument a long time ago...now you are just forced to call people "lib"

Pathetic.

Please provide a single quote of me stating I am against freedom of religion. Or, conversely, in true lib fashion, you could keep repeating the lie. My money's on lie.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

The reason why the ACLU protects communists is because the ACLU goals are mostly communist. Free speech was just an excuse to allow their fellow-traveler Communists to stay active. As the US still barely clings to the US Constitution, the ACLU has not had a confiscation of rebel properties case to deal with. This happen with Reconstuction, but the Communist ACLU didn't arrive until the 20th century.

So bad had been the ACLU in aiding and abetting American communists that various legislative committees, federal and state, considered whether it was a communist front. The 1943 California Senate Fact-Finding Committee on Un-American Activities reported that the ACLU "may be definitely classed as a communist front." The committee added that "at least 90 percent of its [the ACLU's] efforts are expended on behalf of communists who come into conflict with the law." That 90-percent figure was consistent with a major report produced by Congress a decade earlier, January 17, 1931.

The ACLU's Not-So-Holy Trinity | The American Spectator!

Now as the agenda of all commies is for absolute control of public education by the government and party, one of their most famous cases was Brown vs Board of Education. This case was vital to destroying the freedom of US citizens to run their own school districts, allow school prayer and control the content of what was taught.

You are either a big fan of the ACLU, or a memeber. Sad.
I'm indeed a big fan of the ACLU. Any body that serves to protect and to enhance my liberties through peaceful means is something I support.

If you're using the Un-American Activities views during the red scare years as damning evidence, you're clearly grasping for straws.

I'm still waiting for you to show me the ACLU's legal involvement in communist economic philosophy. You keep cutting and pasting right wing screeds and missives instead.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Please provide a single quote of me stating I am against freedom of religion. Or, conversely, in true lib fashion, you could keep repeating the lie. My money's on lie.

You are displaying it. You want to take down religious displays from religions you don't agree with.

It is blatant, obvious, and everyone sees it but you.

Either have every religion represented, or none. How freaking hard is that for you to understand?

That you have to constantly resort to "lib" just shows your increasing desperation.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Religion?

Humanity's stupidest creation.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

You are displaying it. You want to take down religious displays from religions you don't agree with.

It is blatant, obvious, and everyone sees it but you.

Either have every religion represented, or none. How freaking hard is that for you to understand?

That you have to constantly resort to "lib" just shows your increasing desperation.
Cha Ching! (Though the odds weren't that great).
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I'm indeed a big fan of the ACLU. Any body that serves to protect and to enhance my liberties through peaceful means is something I support.

If you're using the Un-American Activities views during the red scare years as damning evidence, you're clearly grasping for straws.

I'm still waiting for you to show me the ACLU's legal involvement in communist economic philosophy. You keep cutting and pasting right wing screeds and missives instead.

A threadbare excuse is that one isn't a communist because they they don't advocate full ecomonic control by the central government.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck---it's a duck! All but blind apologists can see the ACLU as a neo-communist front. You can't discredit the long history of the ACLU being founded and populated by communists. And you can't disprove the many cases of the ACLU defending communists over the years.

Of course you, nor the ACLU could give a rat's *** about the USC and the Bill of Rights. The ACLU does not allow the 2nd Amendment to be defended---as communists do not allow anyone but their own revolutionaries to be armed. The ACLU forbade free speech among their own ranks. What hypocrites.

Battle for the ACLU - USATODAY.com

So which of the ten tenets of communism do you support? If you support most of them, then wouldn't you "be mostly a communist?"---just like the ACLU is mostly a communist front?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I think I'm pretty well wised up on this subject. I know what the Supreme Court has said about it, and I know it has not interpreted the First Amendment to require any damned thing any bunch of crackpots or anyone who resents Christianity wants official approval for to be tolerated. On the other hand, in one case it saw no constitutional violation in allowing a KKK display featuring the Klan cross right outside a state building.

This display was allowed to be put up this year because the city prior was threatened with law suits by an Atheist organization under the guise of the "Temple of Satan". This isn't the first year they have attempted this.
Festivus pole in tribute to a holiday created on "Seinfeld" that satirizes the commercialism of Christmas and a display by the Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster, which mocks beliefs that a god created the universe and argues instead that the universe was created by a plate of pasta and meatballs.

The Satanic Temple display was rejected as "grossly offensive" last year, but this year — following threats of legal action from the Americans United for Separation of Church and State — the state Department of Management Services gave its approval.
The Supremes have been murky on their rulings in regard to religious displays. The city could take on the case but that means a lot of cost in legal fees.

This Atheist activist group is probably the one behind placing the Satanic coloring books in a school that also occurred in Florida for children to take home because a church in the area dropped off flyers/programs about an event for youth they were having in the neighborhood.

The majority of people are disgusted with this group's actions. If anyone could be described using the word "intolerant" it would be them. This manger scene represents the historical account in a faith that the majority of the people in that locality claim to be. The state constitution recognizes they are "grateful to Almighty God". It was placed on state property not federal. Yet somehow state and local governments have lost control because of a few justices who interpret the Establishment Clause too broadly.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

A threadbare excuse is that one isn't a communist because they they don't advocate full ecomonic control by the central government.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck---it's a duck! All but blind apologists can see the ACLU as a neo-communist front. You can't discredit the long history of the ACLU being founded and populated by communists. And you can't disprove the many cases of the ACLU defending communists over the years.

Of course you, nor the ACLU could give a rat's *** about the USC and the Bill of Rights. The ACLU does not allow the 2nd Amendment to be defended---as communists do not allow anyone but their own revolutionaries to be armed. The ACLU forbade free speech among their own ranks. What hypocrites.

Battle for the ACLU - USATODAY.com

So which of the ten tenets of communism do you support? If you support most of them, then wouldn't you "be mostly a communist?"---just like the ACLU is mostly a communist front?
I think you're throwing around words you consider pejorative with either a disrespect or ignorance of their actual meaning.

Again, you're still not showing me examples of their economic cases, which are really the hallmark of an economic position like communism.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Cha Ching! (Though the odds weren't that great).

Again, a reply that means nothing.

Why are you so skeeved about satanists having a display?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised, but it's funny how this thread became an excuse for righttards to just toss insults around using words that they don't really understand, but know they're bad because they heard them used on the radio.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised, but it's funny how this thread became an excuse for righttards to just toss insults around using words that they don't really understand, but know they're bad because they heard them used on the radio.

What nonsense are you spouting now? Examples? Oh and, "righttards"? Is that a big fancy word too? :roll:
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

And don't forget the reindeer that watched over baby jeezus.

Jeezz. You could at least call them by name.

The reindeer? or baby jeezus?

I actually took that from a letter written by a guy who said he is a christian (and I have no reason to doubt him); he wrote the letter to the MRFF (Military Religious Freedom Foundation). The full quote from the end of his letter:

"I don't care if it rains or freezes -- cause I have my plastic Jeezus!"

I thought it was pretty cute. He went on to say to the woman who helps run MRFF "Won't you take Jeezus as your Saviour - my precious little Jew Woman!"

I figure if christians can spell it jeezus, so can I
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

What nonsense are you spouting now? Examples? Oh and, "righttards"? Is that a big fancy word too? :roll:

A "Righttard" is a person who is both right wing and clearly retarded. Are you trying for that?

Considering "libtard" gets tossed around, I think it's fair.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Again, can you show me cases where the ACLU has actually defended any of these "communist" ideals? The overwhelming majority of their cases are with free speech and freedom of religion.

Exactly. Like when they defended Jehovah's Witnesses so they didn't have to do the pledge of allegiance. I don't consider JW's a communist organization.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Taken with their other statements, it amounts to mockery. But thanks for at least admitting you were off base by referring to it as an alternative.

These people aren't a church, they don't even worship satan. Their stated goal is to force the removal of all religious displays from public property.

I am okay with that goal. And mockery IS protected by freedom of speech.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

This display was allowed to be put up this year because the city prior was threatened with law suits by an Atheist organization under the guise of the "Temple of Satan". This isn't the first year they have attempted this.

The Supremes have been murky on their rulings in regard to religious displays. The city could take on the case but that means a lot of cost in legal fees.

This Atheist activist group is probably the one behind placing the Satanic coloring books in a school that also occurred in Florida for children to take home because a church in the area dropped off flyers/programs about an event for youth they were having in the neighborhood.

The majority of people are disgusted with this group's actions. If anyone could be described using the word "intolerant" it would be them. This manger scene represents the historical account in a faith that the majority of the people in that locality claim to be. The state constitution recognizes they are "grateful to Almighty God". It was placed on state property not federal. Yet somehow state and local governments have lost control because of a few justices who interpret the Establishment Clause too broadly.

For the most part, I agree with what you say. People who believe this should remain a free country have to have the courage to fight this poisonous hostility toward religion, even if the fight costs a lot of money. I like the passages from School Dist. of Abington Township v. Schempp, the 1963 decision Justice Breyer quoted from in his concurring opinion in Van Orden v. Perry in 2005. In Abington Township, Justice Goldberg, joined by Justice Harlan, wrote this:

"ntutored devotion to the concept of neutrality can lead to invocation or approval of results which partake not simply of that noninterference and noninvolvement with the religious which the Constitution commands, but of a brooding and pervasive devotion to the secular and a passive, or even active, hostility to the religious . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The First Amendment does not prohibit practices which by any realistic measure create none of the dangers which it is designed to prevent and which do not so directly or substantially involve the state in religious exercise or in the favoring of religion as to have meaningful and practical impact." (italics mine)


I would tell the people who are trying to purge all religion from American public life to stuff it right up their jacks--and if they wanted to sue, to come right ahead and get their heads handed to them.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

And "coincidentally", they are all both right wing and christian.

Oh no, about half are, the other half are crazy liberal wingnuts.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

The one glaring omission in your analogy is that religion is specifically listed in the Bill of Rights as being unavailable for public establishment. Sports teams escaped the forefathers entirely.
No one established, or tried to establish, any religion. Christianity was established well before the United States even existed. What is under discussion is public displays and they are usually granted, especially when a celebration occurs.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

There is no "and", the government is secular.
Who taught you this?
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

I think you're throwing around words you consider pejorative with either a disrespect or ignorance of their actual meaning. Again, you're still not showing me examples of their economic cases, which are really the hallmark of an economic position like communism.
Do you know something about Communism?
 
Re: Woman arrested after damaging Satanic display at Florida Capitol

Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised, but it's funny how this thread became an excuse for righttards to just toss insults around using words that they don't really understand, but know they're bad because they heard them used on the radio.
So you changed from the Christmas music station to one where you discovered new words?
 
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