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“The Interview” now available on Google Play and YouTube Movies [W:66]

Sticking it to NK? That would be by changing nothing about the movie, this was supplication. They probably only did this because of the backlash.
Appease commie thugs-get more of it-thats the lesson Sony and hollywood in general is gonna have to figure out.

Lmao, they appeased... by... releasing the movie anyways on an online service where they knew it would be pirated within hours of its release? Hm. Yeah, you're stretching.
 
Lmao, they appeased... by... releasing the movie anyways on an online service where they knew it would be pirated within hours of its release? Hm. Yeah, you're stretching.

They lost their profits, the dictator got his way, and Sony still has no balls.

Yeah-appeased.
 
They lost their profits,

They lose profit by not releasing it. Releasing it actually brings in licensing deals (syndication, streaming, merch, sales) which is how Sony makes its money. Box office is actually a small percentage of what Sony would make on this and given the estimated box office projections of the movie, this movie's box office wouldn't even have covered Sony's production cost. This topic really isn't your forté. Get serious.
 
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They lose profit by not releasing it. Releasing it actually brings in licensing deals (syndication, streaming, merch, sales) which is how Sony makes its money. Box office is actually a small percentage of what Sony would make on this and given the estimated box office projections of the movie, this movie's box office wouldn't even have covered Sony's production cost. This topic really isn't your forté. Get serious.

Box office is one thing, so is international distribution. And yes-they still caved. But I know-you are just an expert on this, and everything else aren't you.
 
Absolutely I will take that bet. Google Play and Youtube Movies (which I didn't even realize existed) don't make the kind of money that a nationwide theatrical release does.
but they're releasing it at theaters, too.

and a lot more people will see it than would have had Little Kim just kept his mouth shut.
 
Not to be dense (okay, maybe a little dense) but NK has the internet capabilities of me in 1991. Do we actually know for a fact that NK was responsible for the Sony hack?
You realize that NK is a Chinese sock, right? NK is China doing what China can't be seen doing right now.
 
Box office is one thing, so is international distribution.

Yes, and Sony's profit from either is insignificant. Their profit comes from licensing deals. Get serious.
 
• Leading film markets worldwide by gross box office revenue 2013 | Statistic
Im sorry, you are incorrect sony often makes more from the international market than they do in the US alone. But im sure you are privy to "facts" nobody else has, no doubt. :doh

The international movie market is huge to Sony, facts are stubborn things.

Yep, you still don't know what you're discussing and it's so painfully obvious. I guess you must feel bad about getting obliterated in that Cuba thread so you're now here pretending you actually have a clue how this business works. Sigh, alright:

First fact: Sony's market share stands at 12% of actual box office returns: 2014 Market Share and Box Office Results by Movie Studio - in raw numbers, 1.2 billion
Second fact: Sony/Columbia's current 2014 revenue is 78 billion dollars. • Sony: total revenue 2008-2014 | Statistic
Third fact: This movie was estimated to bring in around 100 million. In short, it was going to bring in both production costs (44 million), marketing costs (estimated at 35 million) and just enough to turn a profit of a whopping 21 million dollars. Sony The Interview Loss - Business Insider

By not going putting into theaters, Sony lost 0.0175% of Sony/Columbia's annual revenue and 0.0026% of its entire revenue. Big deal on a what if estimate that wasn't guaranteed and doesn't take into account the percentage taken in by theater chains.

Now, with that said, Sony's revenue on licensing Seinfeld alone provides 1/4th of the total profit that The Interview was going to give back at the box office. That doesn't sound like a lot of money until you realize that this is for only 9 stations. In other words, by licensing just one show to 36 different stations, Sony already made what the The Interview was going to make from the box office of The Interview without even taking into account the percentage taken by theater chains. Now, if that doesn't tell you how irrelevant box office returns really are (mostly because of how many mouths eat before Sony actually gets a dollar), by not releasing this movie, they're losing out on:

A) the millions of dollars which come as a result of syndication
B) the millions which come from pay per view
C) the millions which would have from streaming services such as Netflix, Hulu, etc.

Do you realize why you're wrong to outright claim that Sony lost its profit? That's simply nonsensical. The majority of its profit actually comes from licensing these movies out to thousands of stations around the globe. Say it licensed this movie to a hundred stations (being conservative here) in the US for 20K over a 1 month period. That would put give Sony nearly $2,000,000 USD in profits or 10% of its estimated box office revenue. It wouldn't have to share in any way with theaters. Now, by not releasing the film, guess how much profit Sony makes?
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As I said, Sony's revenue doesn't really come from box office returns. That's chump change as comedies are gigantic risks. It comes from licensing these movies ou However, if you think I'm wrong, we'll see by the end of the month when actual revenue for this movie comes back. I'm putting its revenue from this movie somewhere at 200 to 300 million mostly because I think what Sony is doing is testing PVOD's capacity to draw millions and avoid the risky loss that comes with normal openings. At worst, it breaks even and the movie makes the same it would have at theaters thereby not actually really losing any profit at all.
 
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Yep, you still don't know what you're discussing and it's so painfully obvious. I guess you must feel bad about getting obliterated in that Cuba thread so you're now here pretending you actually have a clue how this business works. Sigh, alright:

First fact: Sony's market share stands at 12% of actual box office returns: 2014 Market Share and Box Office Results by Movie Studio - in raw numbers, 1.2 billion
Second fact: Sony/Columbia's current 2014 revenue is 78 billion dollars. • Sony: total revenue 2008-2014 | Statistic
Third fact: This movie was estimated to bring in around 100 million. In short, it was going to bring in both production costs (44 million), marketing costs (estimated at 35 million) and just enough to turn a profit of a whopping 21 million dollars. Sony The Interview Loss - Business Insider

By not going putting into theaters, Sony lost 0.0175% of Sony/Columbia's annual revenue and 0.0026% of its entire revenue. Big deal on a what if estimate that wasn't guaranteed and doesn't take into account the percentage taken in by theater chains.

Now, with that said, Sony's revenue on licensing Seinfeld alone provides 1/4th of the total profit that The Interview was going to give back at the box office. That doesn't sound like a lot of money until you realize that this is for only 9 stations. In other words, by licensing just one show to 36 different stations, Sony already made what the The Interview was going to make from the box office of The Interview without even taking into account the percentage taken by theater chains. Now, if that doesn't tell you how irrelevant box office returns really are (mostly because of how many mouths eat before Sony actually gets a dollar), by not releasing this movie, they're losing out on:

A) the millions of dollars which come as a result of syndication
B) the millions which come from pay per view
C) the millions which would have from streaming services such as Netflix, Hulu, etc.

Do you realize why you're wrong to outright claim that Sony lost its profit? That's simply nonsensical. The majority of its profit actually comes from licensing these movies out to thousands of stations around the globe. Say it licensed this movie to a hundred stations (being conservative here) in the US for 20K over a 1 month period. That would put give Sony nearly $2,000,000 USD in profits or 10% of its estimated box office revenue. It wouldn't have to share in any way with theaters. Now, by not releasing the film, guess how much profit Sony makes?
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As I said, Sony's revenue doesn't really come from box office returns. That's chump change as comedies are gigantic risks. It comes from licensing these movies ou However, if you think I'm wrong, we'll see by the end of the month when actual revenue for this movie comes back. I'm putting its revenue from this movie somewhere at 200 to 300 million mostly because I think what Sony is doing is testing PVOD's capacity to draw millions and avoid the risky loss that comes with normal openings. At worst, it breaks even and the movie makes the same it would have at theaters thereby not actually really losing any profit at all.

You said "Yes, and Sony's profit from either is insignificant. Their profit comes from licensing deals. Get serious.
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My point was that sony has an international market, with this movie or not. Keep up the effort, though.
 
You said "Yes, and Sony's profit from either is insignificant.

Lmao, yes, because profit from the box office is in fact insignificant. It's literally 1.5% of Sony's total revenue. This movie? It wouldn't even have broken the 0.003% mark. That you think Sony actually "lost its profit" because of it completely ignores where the profit for these movies come from.

My point was that sony has an international market, with this movie or not.

Already accounted for in the links provided. You're seriously out of your league here. That you seriously tried to pass off 10 billion in yearly box office revenues for an entire industry without actually bothering to look at how much the company in question makes is pretty laughable. Tell us again how Sony is shaking in its booties after losing an estimated 0.0026% as opposed to the millions in guaranteed revenue it will make from licensing? :lol:
 
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Lmao, yes, because profit from the box office is in fact insignificant. It's literally 1.5% of Sony's total revenue. This movie? It wouldn't even have broken the 0.003% mark. That you think Sony actually "lost its profit" because of it completely ignores where the profit for these movies come from.



Already accounted for in the links provided. You're seriously out of your league here. That you seriously tried to pass off 10 billion in yearly box office revenues for an entire industry without actually bothering to look at how much the company in question makes is pretty laughable. Tell us again how Sony is shaking in its booties after losing an estimated 0.0026% as opposed to the millions in guaranteed revenue it will make from licensing? :lol:

More "insight" from the guys who always knows. :lamo
 
More "insight" from the guys who always knows. :lamo

Hey, some of us have spent most of our lives outside of a classroom. You should try it sometime, it's great for the knees.

Merry Christmas!
 
Hey, some of us have spent most of our lives outside of a classroom. You should try it sometime, it's great for the knees.

Merry Christmas!

Thats interesting because you think you have a grasp based on 4 minutes online, this isn't the first time you've demonstrated that. Have a happy Kwanza.
 
Not to be dense (okay, maybe a little dense) but NK has the internet capabilities of me in 1991. Do we actually know for a fact that NK was responsible for the Sony hack?

That is a good question and there is no good response to it. Intelligence is always going to be statistical and its results reputed by circles that want a different interpretation. The full information cannot even be published.

So how are we to deal with this dilemma going forward?
 
Thats interesting because you think you have a grasp based on 4 minutes online,

Lol what? I've work in or around media for 10+ years and have a pretty strong grasp on revenue and entertainment companies bring in their revenue. Mostly because I find it important to understand how other departments within a media conglomerate work. I did it when I worked in France, I'm doing it now that I work for a much more visible company. Hell, I predicted Glenn Beck's FOX dismissal a full month before it happened.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/bias-...e-booted-his-radio-show-8.html#post1063455705

You don't get to do that by being in a classroom all day. It takes some workplace experience, my man!
 
Another utter fail for Sony... all this is US ONLY! How on earth is it "sticking it to NK" if the freaking movie is only released in the US? Pathetic.

It's not as though there aren't workarounds. Hola, for example.
 
Official Google Blog: “The Interview” now available on Google Play and YouTube Movies



I don't know if I'll get gigged for this. I don't think I should considering the fact that it's breaking news and it's being posted directly from the source. The Interview is now available for download. Sony has given a massive middle finger to NK and decided to release the movie online. Admittedly for around the same prices a movie theater would charge. Let's see what the reaction is when NK gets their Wifi password back and realize the movie is now out there for the world to see.

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Obama did not criticize Sony for no reason. We cannot allow a third world thug to censor our information system. That won't fly.

What to do is another question. Sony has been cajoled into the role of the missing hero. That cannot be the general solution, however. Too many heroes die. So what to do?
 
Obama did not criticize Sony for no reason. We cannot allow a third world thug to censor our information system. That won't fly.

What to do is another question. Sony has been cajoled into the role of the missing hero. That cannot be the general solution, however. Too many heroes die. So what to do?

I think what Sony is doing is a winning strategy given the circumstances. On one hand, it's taking a relatively low budget movie and testing to see if it really can make money as PVOD. On the other, it is saving political face by releasing the movie to the audience which made this movie's popularity rise in the last few weeks (the internet). I don't think it has much more options than that right now and anyone who thinks otherwise is playing Who Wants to Be The Least Practical Jingoist.
 
I think what Sony is doing is a winning strategy given the circumstances. On one hand, it's taking a relatively low budget movie and testing to see if it really can make money as PVOD. On the other, it is saving political face by releasing the movie to the audience which made this movie's popularity rise in the last few weeks (the internet). I don't think it has much more options than that right now and anyone who thinks otherwise is playing Who Wants to Be The Least Practical Jingoist.

Sony is undoubtedly playing a poor hand with virtuosity.
That does not mean that a long term solution based on the hope of an automatic hero will work.
 
Ooh, is it on the Pirate Bay?

Pirate Bay was taken down thanks to Sony a few days before they stopped the release :) But yes it is all over the net 2 hours after they "released it" in the US, which means they gonna be losing a lot of money as people will be downloading it illegally instead of renting it legally... hence my criticism. Sony had the prefect opportunity to have the first world wide online release of a movie but they blew it... I am guessing it is because they did not want to prove to the industry that it can be done and is actually profitable.
 
Having to explain to you that subsidiary does not mean they decide how many deals Columbia comes up with before distribution really is tiresome. A controlling stake does not mean the micromanagement you believe it does. Not only that, it does not mean the subservience you think it does. Ultimately, this decision on distribution came down to Columbia's executives in the US not Sony's executives in Japan. Is this really hard for you to understand?

In other words you did not know it was a Sony company.
 
Sony is undoubtedly playing a poor hand with virtuosity.
That does not mean that a long term solution based on the hope of an automatic hero will work.

You are right. However, it's the best they have right now. I think the first step is to figure out how NK's hackers got into their servers. After that, they should heavily invest in some better security. Once that is done, it's up for them to come up with a policy for any similar events in the future. This caught everyone by surprise and I think what Sony is doing is fine for now (because of how unprepared everyone was) but simply unacceptable in the future.

What I find more troubling is Obama commenting on this, and everyone and their mama telling Sony that they should release the movie. Sony hesitated because it simply hadn't encountered anything like this before. Any decision it took after that is entirely its own to make. It wouldn't be the first company that decides to pull out of a deal/agreement because of security concerns and the possible damage to its image.

For jingoists who don't have anything to lose, Sony releasing it allows them to put up their 'Murica game. However what if it were to be released and god forbid an actual attack occurred? Sony would spend years getting over the terrible publicity such incidents make. FFS, the first thing DKR's production company did was cancel the openings in about 4-5 different countries the minute the news of the Aurora shooting came out.
 
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