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Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

Aaaaannnd here comes the white defensiveness. Like clockwork.

And no, I am not going to just go away. Not until you deal with your gross lack of understanding of race and racism.

Annnnnd, there goes a race card...right on time.
 
That doesn't change the definition, nor the existence, of redlining. The map is an example, guy.

Give us an example more recent, guy. Perhaps from this century.
 
You have to ask what is enabling the police to be militarized and where the training is coming from

You also have to ask why blacks and Hispanics are succumbing to higher arrests. There is institutional racism that is a direct result of social policy, the policies in place are doing the exact opposite of the policies attention. The war on drugs is destroying the communities, and there is a lot more police officers hired into higher crime places causing arrests and violence to increase.

We can't blame the everyday cop, we can't blame the American people, what we need to do is blame the policies that are causi all of this to occur

Specifically, what policies are you talking about?
 
Specifically, what policies are you talking about?

War on drugs

Government officials bringing drugs into lower communities

Welfare state

Dept. of educations horrible job of advancing education in urban areas.

There's a lot of things, but those primarily are the things that are holding back the urban areas. The war on drugs criminalizes people for something that is unconstitutional, causing higher crime rates causing black market dealings causing violence all of this goes along with people in these areas not having real opportunity due to the fact that business won't open up, markets won't open all kinds of policies you just need to look and see side effect of failed economic policies and you'll understand the major factors in the urban community and how there is systematic racism.
 
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Not to pick at nits...but you listed those five cases. Why? I mean...the reality is that people die in violent confrontations with cops. Black people. White people. I recently posted the NYC Police shooting instances for 2011 and that very clearly shows that blacks are 3rd on the list of people that were killed in violent confrontations with cops.
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I posted a link earlier in this thread. When you look at police shootings, blacks are disproportionately killed based on their % of population. Yes, more white people are killed - but not when you look at it as as % of their population in the country.
 
I posted a link earlier in this thread. When you look at police shootings, blacks are disproportionately killed based on their % of population. Yes, more white people are killed - but not when you look at it as as % of their population in the country.
I posted the link to the NYC shootings from 2011 that show that not only are there fewer in number but also percentage. But if you are going to play with numbers then you have to play with all of them. You represent that there are more blacks statistically targeted by percentage. OK. Now...by percentage, which racial category commits the majority of criminal acts in this country?
 
War on drugs

Government officials bringing drugs into lower communities

Welfare state

Dept. of educations horrible job of advancing education in urban areas.

There's a lot of things, but those primarily are the things that are holding back the urban areas. The war on drugs criminalizes people for something that is unconstitutional, causing higher crime rates causing black market dealings causing violence all of this goes along with people in these areas not having real opportunity due to the fact that business won't open up, markets won't open all kinds of policies you just need to look and see side effect of failed economic policies and you'll understand the major factors in the urban community and while there is systematic racism.

Thank you. Also, just the fact that crack cocaine (which was used more by african americans than whites) had longer sentences than powder cocaine (which was used more by whites than african americans) shows the racism that has led to so many black people being jailed while whites walk free.
 
You are acting as if police brutality and racism don't actually exist.


They're far less of a issue than things like poverty, dependance, illegitimacy, violence and illiteracy are.

If Police brutality and racism were substantial issues these " protesters " wouldn't need to invent occurrences and lie to gin up support.
 
I posted the link to the NYC shootings from 2011 that show that not only are there fewer in number but also percentage. But if you are going to play with numbers then you have to play with all of them. You represent that there are more blacks statistically targeted by percentage. OK. Now...by percentage, which racial category commits the majority of criminal acts in this country?

commits or gets caught? please do post
 
Thank you. Also, just the fact that crack cocaine (which was used more by african americans than whites) had longer sentences than powder cocaine (which was used more by whites than african americans) shows the racism that has led to so many black people being jailed while whites walk free.

It's because the crime law is suggesting that if you alter a drug chemically your doing a worse drug offense then if it's the natural drug, such as turning speed into crystal meth.

It's not because someone is black and someone is white. I advocate to end the war on drugs it's an unconstitutional action. This isn't people in our courts being racism on huge demographic levels this is systematic racism due to failed policies the government has promoted the worse thing we can do is ask the government for more policies which I'm afraid will be the ultimate outcome of this entire fiasco right now
 
War on drugs

Government officials bringing drugs into lower communities

Welfare state

Dept. of educations horrible job of advancing education in urban areas.

There's a lot of things, but those primarily are the things that are holding back the urban areas. The war on drugs criminalizes people for something that is unconstitutional, causing higher crime rates causing black market dealings causing violence all of this goes along with people in these areas not having real opportunity due to the fact that business won't open up, markets won't open all kinds of policies you just need to look and see side effect of failed economic policies and you'll understand the major factors in the urban community and how there is systematic racism.

Show us, with supporting documentation, that those policies are intetionally designed to target and handicap black folks.
 
There's a lot of things, but those primarily are the things that are holding back the urban areas. The war on drugs criminalizes people for something that is unconstitutional, causing higher crime rates causing black market dealings causing violence all of this goes along with people in these areas not having real opportunity due to the fact that business won't open up, markets won't open all kinds of policies you just need to look and see side effect of failed economic policies and you'll understand the major factors in the urban community and how there is systematic racism.

Just so I understand, your assertion is that black people choose to engage in criminal activity and the fact that there are consequences for that behavior and collateral damage on the communities they live and conduct their illegal business in means that there is systematic racism?
 
War on drugs

Government officials bringing drugs into lower communities

Welfare state

Dept. of educations horrible job of advancing education in urban areas.

There's a lot of things, but those primarily are the things that are holding back the urban areas. The war on drugs criminalizes people for something that is unconstitutional, causing higher crime rates causing black market dealings causing violence all of this goes along with people in these areas not having real opportunity due to the fact that business won't open up, markets won't open all kinds of policies you just need to look and see side effect of failed economic policies and you'll understand the major factors in the urban community and how there is systematic racism.

Nonsense. Absolute race card nonsense.

Its drek like that that guarantees that the real issues that challenge Black Americans will never change.

The Government bringing drugs into the inner city ? Are you serious ? Hey, even if that BS was true, NO ONE is forcing anyone to pick up a crack pipe.

Inner city schools screwing kids out of a education ? Wow.

Utter nonsense. Education is only effective if those receiving it take education seriously.

No amount of funding in the World is going to change the Inner city attitudes that lead to high drop out rates, teen pregnancy and poor test scores.

Hey, look up what the Atlanta School district did a few years ago to boost their students test scores.

Those " racist " Black Teachers changed the answers on their students Test behind locked doors.

Bussinesses wont open up ? Why ? So they can be burned to the ground because morons get caught up in a " Gentle Giant " BS narrative ?

Its racist like you who perpetuate this abject idiocy and guarantee that REAL issues like povertyand crime and Black on Black violence will continue unabated.

How you sleep at night is beyond me.
 
Show us, with supporting documentation, that those policies are intetionally designed to target and handicap black folks.

Well the cia definitely brought drugs in to black communities in the 80s and 90s,

welfare was a result of the civil rights act which was a form of reparations towards the black community, in fact Lyndon Johnson actually said something to the effect of the white americans have a 50 yard head start so now we need to give the black Americans a handicap to advance and be able to keep up. Not in those words of course but something similar to that

There are policies that are geared towards the black community as a means for helping them but rather ending with in my interpretation systematic racism. Non intentional racism but a system that is unintentionally causing the black and Hispanic people of the United States a harder time for advancement because they are effected by these policies more directly then anyone. So how do we fix the situation? Get rid of the policies, however I don't think the people of the United States fully grasp economics strongly enough to understand that too much governmental dependence reduces growth of a market.
 
Nonsense. Absolute race card nonsense.

Its drek like that that guarantees that the real issues that challenge Black Americans will never change.

The Government bringing drugs into the inner city ? Are you serious ? Hey, even if that BS was true, NO ONE is forcing anyone to pick up a crack pipe.

Inner city schools screwing kids out of a education ? Wow.

Utter nonsense. Education is only effective if those receiving it take education seriously.

No amount of funding in the World is going to change the Inner city attitudes that lead to high drop out rates, teen pregnancy and poor test scores.

Hey, look up what the Atlanta School district did a few years ago to boost their students test scores.

Those " racist " Black Teachers changed the answers on their students Test behind locked doors.

Bussinesses wont open up ? Why ? So they can be burned to the ground because morons get caught up in a " Gentle Giant " BS narrative ?

Its racist like you who perpetuate this abject idiocy and guarantee that REAL issues like povertyand crime and Black on Black violence will continue unabated.

How you sleep at night is beyond me.

Wow I am advocating for free market solutions to obvious societal problems and you say I'm a racist and I'm using the race card?

1. Ever heard of Gary Webb and freeway Ricky Ross? Of yea being brought drugs by the cia and told to sell them

2. Did I advocate for more federal funding? No teachers changing test scores to receive more money is how the dept. of education is a failure

3. Business won't open up because poor communities have no aspirations to work, welfare.
Business won't open because they'll get robbed, higher crime rates due to things like black market sales in the drug war
Business won't open because the growth of the market won't occur in poor run down neighborhoods, again direct response to failure in federal policies

I feel like my explanations are far more conservative in terms of free market economical practice then you can even grasp, insulting me won't make you a real conservative you'll always be a statist neo-con in my opinion

Please give me a reasonable explanation on how to end this societal fiasco we are witnessing right now
 
Just so I understand, your assertion is that black people choose to engage in criminal activity and the fact that there are consequences for that behavior and collateral damage on the communities they live and conduct their illegal business in means that there is systematic racism?

It's a non intentional systematic racism being a result of failed federal economic policy
 
Well the cia definitely brought drugs in to black communities in the 80s and 90s,

welfare was a result of the civil rights act which was a form of reparations towards the black community, in fact Lyndon Johnson actually said something to the effect of the white americans have a 50 yard head start so now we need to give the black Americans a handicap to advance and be able to keep up. Not in those words of course but something similar to that

There are policies that are geared towards the black community as a means for helping them but rather ending with in my interpretation systematic racism. Non intentional racism but a system that is unintentionally causing the black and Hispanic people of the United States a harder time for advancement because they are effected by these policies more directly then anyone. So how do we fix the situation? Get rid of the policies, however I don't think the people of the United States fully grasp economics strongly enough to understand that too much governmental dependence reduces growth of a market.

Uh huh...I see...you can't show us a single official policy that you claim exists, so you're going to keep repeating the same lie over and over, because you believe that by doing so, people will believe the lie.

I already knew that; I just wanted you to admit it. Thank you for doing so.
 
Wow I am advocating for free market solutions to obvious societal problems and you say I'm a racist and I'm using the race card?

1. Ever heard of Gary Webb and freeway Ricky Ross? Of yea being brought drugs by the cia and told to sell them

2. Did I advocate for more federal funding? No teachers changing test scores to receive more money is how the dept. of education is a failure

3. Business won't open up because poor communities have no aspirations to work, welfare.
Business won't open because they'll get robbed, higher crime rates due to things like black market sales in the drug war
Business won't open because the growth of the market won't occur in poor run down neighborhoods, again direct response to failure in federal policies

I feel like my explanations are far more conservative in terms of free market economical practice then you can even grasp, insulting me won't make you a real conservative you'll always be a statist neo-con in my opinion

Please give me a reasonable explanation on how to end this societal fiasco we are witnessing right now

Not blaming it on " systemic racism " and have the courage and integrity to offer up a honest account of whats really wrong would be a start.
 
It's a non intentional systematic racism being a result of failed federal economic policy

What you are describing are individual people making poor choices and having to live with the consequences of their actions. That isn't evidence of racism, systematic or otherwise.
 
Uh huh...I see...you can't show us a single official policy that you claim exists, so you're going to keep repeating the same lie over and over, because you believe that by doing so, people will believe the lie.

I already knew that; I just wanted you to admit it. Thank you for doing so.

Did I ever say that these policies were intentionally created to target the black community in a negative manner? Please if I did show me my quote
 
Not blaming it on " systemic racism " and have the courage and integrity to offer up a honest account of whats really wrong would be a start.

It's an effect of faked policy I'd like to understand what an actual political solution would be
 
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