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Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

Kobie said:
No, we don't. I'm not one to let your lies go unchecked.
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Yeah, because you have so much denial to deal with, you WILL move forward with us.
 
US Conservative said:
Kobie, who riots?
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Mostly opportunistic jerkoffs who use legitmately pissed-off, disaffected people as cover for rioting.

That doesn't come close to addressing my point. Because it's mostly black people who riot, that means that it's Al Sharpton and his Negro Mind Control making them do it?
 
apdst said:
Yeah, because you have so much denial to deal with, you WILL move forward with us.
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Post the quote of Al Sharpton calling for violence against police officers (or anyone, for that matter). Post it. Stop obfuscating, deflecting, denying ... whatever it is you do. Just POST IT.
 
Kobie said:
My point is that the justice system has crapped all over black Americans for decades. They are routinely sentenced and jailed at disproportional rates (even for non-violent and/or drug related crime), they are much more likely to be killed by police than their white counterparts, and many often see themselves as victims of undue harassment from LEOs. There is a deep-seated mistrust among many in the black community of the justice system -- one that makes it far less likely they'll just unquestioningly accept that same justice system's findings at face value.

Merry Christmas to you as well.
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Kobie, blacks commit more crime (violent and "white collar"), and many of the heavy sentences were legislated by black politicians in response to the flourishing drug use in that community.

In other words, that happens for a reason-even if you dont agree or know why.

See my sig and think about it for a minute. See if you can figure out why I told you to.
 
Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

CRUE CAB said:
"first Miranda right?" LOL Nothing stops an officer from asking you a question. You refuse, prepare to be treated like a criminal.
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If they cross the line "treating me like a criminal" for using my rights as an American, then they can prepared to pay a hefty sum of money through litigation.

Mason66 said:
You have to admit that there is a difference in answering questions when you are the focus and when it has nothing to do with you.

If a police officer asks you "How are you doing?" it is probably safe to answer him.
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Cmon, that's just disrespectful not to answer a greeting...
 
Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

Goshin said:
Bingo.

Until there's some reason to question the police statement that the guy pulled a gun on the cop, there's no reason to assume otherwise.


White people do this "unnecessary shooting" narrative thing too, when their interests are engaged. Case in point...

I married into a family of criminals. Well, my wife's immediate family were straight, but almost all of her uncles, cousins and etc were career criminals, some of them very serious felons with ties to what passes for organized crime locally. You can imagine how awkward family get-togethers were. :)

One of her uncles had been killed by the police a decade before, and they still carried the torch of him being a martyr who was needlessly murdered. As the story goes, he was drunk and disorderly and pulled a knife on the cops, who shot him from twenty feet away when he "charged". The family says he would never have actually stabbed anyone, why did they have to shoot him six times it was just a small pocket knife, he was drunk and they should have taken that into account, etc etc.... then they tried to bring ME into it and ask ME if I would have shot him!

I said "Whoa, hey.... I wasn't there, I don't know what happened exactly, so I can't really say what should or should not have happened." That answer didn't satisfy them much, but it was a much better answer than the raw truth... which would have been "if he'd charged me with a knife as the cops said he did, I'd have lit him up too." :doh
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Ayup - 21 foot rule.

'Nuff said.
 
US Conservative said:
Kobie, blacks commit more crime (violent and "white collar"), and many of the heavy sentences were legislated by black politicians in response to the flourishing drug use in that community.

In other words, that happens for a reason-even if you dont agree or know why.

See my sig and think about it for a minute. See if you can figure out why I told you to.
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Read the study I posted earlier. I'm not particularly interested in reading whatever hackish drivel you or someone else has to say about the "political left."
 
Kobie said:
Post the quote of Al Sharpton calling for violence against police officers (or anyone, for that matter). Post it. Stop obfuscating, deflecting, denying ... whatever it is you do. Just POST IT.
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"Mr. prosecuted, you won the first round, but don't cut tour gloves off..."

That speaks directly to physical violence.
 
Kobie said:
I'm not talking about raw numbers, I'm talking about rates. I'm on my phone now, so citing sources is a bit of a pain, but when I'm at work later I can post some actual stats.
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3% of the population (young, black males) commit 50% of the murders in this nation. Mostly gang related.
Facts are stubborn things, Kobie.
 
apdst said:
"Mr. prosecuted, you won the first round, but don't cut tour gloves off..."

That speaks directly to physical violence.
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What?

Link so I can make heads or tails out of ... that.
 
US Conservative said:
3% of the population (young, black males) commit 50% of the murders in this nation. Mostly gang related.
Facts are stubborn things, Kobie.
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Read the study I linked to so you can actually comprehend what I was talking about rather than throwing out-of-context numbers at me that have NOTHING to do with what I was talking about. Jesus, show a shred of ****ing honesty for ONCE when dealing with someone else's arguments. It's Christmas.

US Conservative said:
No they aren't-they are saying these race baiters contributed to the situation-and they are right.
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Bull**** they're not!
 
US Conservative said:
No they aren't-they are saying these race baiters contributed to the situation-and they are right.
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When is it ok to talk about race? When you want to? Because unless you're saying racism is dead, then it's got to be ok to talk about racism at some ****ing point.

So please, in all of your infinite wisdom on race, when is it ok for black people to talk about their feelings on racism in the United States?
 
Kobie said:
Crown Heights was in 1991. That's like blaming any anti-black sentiment today on David Duke.

Sharpton is no saint; I've said this often. However, I've repeatedly asked for specific words of his that have incited Brown/Garner protesters to be violent. None have been provided.
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Racial tension was high back then as well, remember the LA riots? I was living in LA when that went down (not in the ghetto part of course).

And while many had moved on, the race baiter in chief exacerbated things from the start of his first term. Remember the beer summit? The black panthers at polling locations that Holder would not prosecute?

Face it, exacerbating racial tension is politically beneficial to Obama.
 
whysoserious said:
When is it ok to talk about race? When you want to? Because unless you're saying racism is dead, then it's got to be ok to talk about racism at some ****ing point.

So please, in all of your infinite wisdom on race, when is it ok for black people to talk about their feelings on racism in the United States?
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People can talk about race anytime they want. We only ask that they know what the **** they're talking when they do.
 
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US Conservative said:
Yes, and both the cop and bystanders rapidly moved away from the guy because of his phone. These lefties never think anything through-they feel and emote.

Beyond that, if a cop were to question me, I dont plan on making any sudden movements like the dead thug. I swear these guys want to get shot-they resist, assault cops, etc and after they are shot our lefties forget about all of that and put it on the cop.
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You seem to have misunderstood me.

1. I was proposing different hypotheses from a neutral standpoint, and saying that I didn't endorse any; I did say later that I thought the more likely one is that the police are right.
2. I did say after seeing the second video that it lends credence to the police version as likely to be accurate (see post #412).
3. I said several times that if the police version is accurate, then good riddance that the thug got killed, and the officer is to be praised.

Now, come again? What is your point, again? Besides, I'm not a liberal. I'm slightly more to the left all things considered, and the slight part is because many of my positions are conservative so they counter-balance my more liberal positions, with the final average sitting very slightly to the left.
 
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apdst said:
Al Sharpton on Ferguson: 'We lost the round, but the fight ain't over' - Washington Times
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"We lost the round, but the fight ain’t over,” he said, Newsmax reported. “You won the first round, Mr. Prosecutor [Bob McCulloch], but don’t cut your gloves off, ‘cause the fight’s not over. Justice will come to Ferguson."
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That's a boxing metaphor. You know, when a fight is over, a boxer cuts off his glove (well, cuts off the tape securing his gloves). THAT'S a call to violence?
 
US Conservative said:
Racial tension was high back then as well, remember the LA riots? I was living in LA when that went down (not in the ghetto part of course).

And while many had moved on, the race baiter in chief exacerbated things from the start of his first term. Remember the beer summit? The black panthers at polling locations that Holder would not prosecute?

Face it, exacerbating racial tension is politically beneficial to Obama.
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Yeah, cool man.
 
Kobie said:
That's a boxing metaphor. You know, when a fight is over, a boxer cuts off his glove (well, cuts off the tape securing his gloves). THAT'S a call to violence?
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Sharpton said, "fight". Fighting is violence.
 
Kobie said:
Read the study I posted earlier. I'm not particularly interested in reading whatever hackish drivel you or someone else has to say about the "political left."
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Facts are facts. And your ideology forces you to pretend they are not. You can't fix something until you admit that there's a problem Kobie. Stop making convenient excuses.
 
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