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Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

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whysoserious said:
That's horrible advice. Depending on what the officer is trying to talk to you about, I would greatly advise against that.

Instead, ask if you are being arrested or if you should get a lawyer.
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Yes, it's always wise to escalate a harmless situation when simple manners would suffice. No matter who it is, if someone comes up to me and asks me a question, I try to answer it if I can or let them know that I can't. Since I'm not a criminal nor do I have a giant chip on my shoulder, I tend to treat police officers in the same manner. And just to be clear, that's not a hypothetical. I've been out walking my dog and been approached by a police car asking if I've seen something or someone they're looking for or been advised about something. I don't immediately go into full defense attorney combat mode just because they're police officers.

Respect and decency towards one another can go a long, long way.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Thanks for the info. And, again, the if the police's side of the story turns out to be true and the video shows what they say it shows, then shooting the guy was permissible. I'll continue to take it with a grain of salt for now.
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I agree with this position.
 
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donsutherland1 said:
This is what CNN is currently reporting:

But Berkeley's mayor, who is black, said Wednesday that this shooting cannot be compared to officer-involved deaths in nearby Ferguson and on Staten Island, New York -- incidents that spurred widespread protests after grand juries decided not to charge the officers.

"(It) does not appear .... that the police officer initiated" Tuesday's shooting, Mayor Theodore Hoskins told reporters Wednesday, citing, in part, the surveillance video that he says appears to show the teen aiming a gun at the officer.

Officer fatally shoots armed teen in town near Ferguson - CNN.com
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Here's a link to the video : CCTV footage appears to show Antonio Martin raising gun to police officer - video | US news | The Guardian

He definitely puts his hand out.
 
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paddymcdougall said:
Did that cop ever approach white men in the parking lot of that establishment while on routine patrol?

if so, it's not about race.
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That's not the standard. Besides, you would have to expect that in a predominantly black neighborhood, it would be predominantly blacks that are approached by cops. The issue here isn't race. It is that a man pulled a gun on a cop. Skin color in such a scenario is only important to those obsessed with race to begin with.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Thanks for the info. And, again, the if the police's side of the story turns out to be true and the video shows what they say it shows, then shooting the guy was permissible. I'll continue to take it with a grain of salt for now.
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If the protestors hadn't escalated the violence, it wouldn't have happened.

Its time for the hands-up-a-tards to realize they lose more credibility, everyday.
 
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Truckstop said:
I know, I have seen the stupid video. You do it your way, I'll do it my way, and this idiot will do it his way. In the end, the people that stay alive and out of jail will be the winners. Having had maybe 50 interactions with on duty law enforcement over 40 years I really am not scared of being railroaded or falsely imprisoned by some crazy cop. Most of them appreciate honesty and the ability to do what they need to do and get on with their day.
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Just as an aside - with this post, and your post previous to this one, I have to wonder why such a sane voice, a voice of reason, isn't posting more in the almost 4 years you've been a member. Your contributions would be valuable. Thanks for the input here.
 
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whysoserious said:
That's horrible advice. Depending on what the officer is trying to talk to you about, I would greatly advise against that.

Instead, ask if you are being arrested or if you should get a lawyer.
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kinda depends on what the question is

and how it is asked

i think a lot of it now is about respect.....

somewhere, somehow these kids got it in their heads that the police are the enemy

when an officer gets an "attitude" from a kid....white, black, brown or yellow...he is going to take more notice
 
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shrubnose said:
Until you post some evidence to support this I'm going to believe that your post is BS. :roll:
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Perhaps a little sarcasm alert was necessary - my apologies.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
8pm, 24 hours of it, looking forward to
'A Christmas Story'
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marathon.
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I love that movie, to me its the best Christmas movie ever.

I like some others, but that's my #1 pick.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
You passive-aggressively accused me of arguing that it's never okay to shoot a Black person in response to post when I literally said that it was okay to shoot a Black person.
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Oh don't give me that lame lib debating tactic of accusing people of being "passive aggressive". I was no such thing, and you know it. I am entitled to my opinion, same as you (as wrong headed as it is).
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Yes, it's always wise to escalate a harmless situation when simple manners would suffice. No matter who it is, if someone comes up to me and asks me a question, I try to answer it if I can or let them know that I can't. Since I'm not a criminal nor do I have a giant chip on my shoulder, I tend to treat police officers in the same manner. And just to be clear, that's not a hypothetical. I've been out walking my dog and been approached by a police car asking if I've seen something or someone they're looking for or been advised about something. I don't immediately go into full defense attorney combat mode just because they're police officers.

Respect and decency towards one another can go a long, long way.
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Two parish deputies showed up a buddy's house one evening, responding to a report of domestic violence. He and his wife were obviously puzzled beyond belief and told them that there was no trouble.

They didn't get belligerent. They didn't cause a scene. They didn't catch an attitude. They said, "come on in...see for yourself. Talk to the kids. My grandma stays with us, talk to her".
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Just as an aside - with this post, and your post previous to this one, I have to wonder why such a sane voice, a voice of reason, isn't posting more in the almost 4 years you've been a member. Your contributions would be valuable. Thanks for the input here.
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Thanks, I mostly come here to read other peoples perspectives on things. You and a few other seem to mostly have the same view as I do on a lot of things and say it better than I generally would.
 
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whysoserious said:
That's horrible advice. Depending on what the officer is trying to talk to you about, I would greatly advise against that.

Instead, ask if you are being arrested or if you should get a lawyer.
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This past summer I was out watering the last remaining live vegitation in my side yard. It was the weekend so I was dressed in my rattiest shorts and t-shirt, hadn't shaved and as I was just outside my house, didn't think to grab any sort of ID. Despite the water hose in my hand, one of my neighbors called the police to report my suspicious activity. Officer shows up and starts questioning me. He tries to make it seem like harmless small talk, asking me the names of my dogs, what year my car sitting in the drive was, things like that but I totally got that he was testing me, seeing if my answers made sense. I guess I could have clammed up and been incensed that he we questioning me of all people (why my innocence should have been obvious to him) and tell him last I checked this was still America and demand a lawyer, but all that would have done is drug out what was a twenty minute encounter. I just can't be too upset with someone who was actually potentially protecting my house. I can't even be too pissed at whichever neighbor reported me (even though I do think it a little silly).
 
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countryboy said:
Oh don't give me that lame lib debating tactic of accusing people of being "passive aggressive". I was no such thing, and you know it. I am entitled to my opinion, same as you (as wrong headed as it is).
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I'm not criticizing your opinion; I'm criticizing your allergy to the facts. The fact is that you accused me of doing something in response to a post where I did the exact opposite. Do you realize that you could have just said, "Oh. I didn't see that you had said that. My mistake."? Jesus Christ, dude. Integrity is a lot easier than this **** show.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Yes, it's always wise to escalate a harmless situation when simple manners would suffice.
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If asking an officer "why am I being arrested" or "should I get a lawyer" escalates a situation, then the police have a problem and need to be re-trained. Thank you for unwittingly highlighting the problem of excessive force and please stay in Canada.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
1. The police said he pulled a gun. If they police are telling the truth, then it was permissible to shoot him. I'm not inclined to just accept what the police say just because they said it.

2. The police said he pulled a gun AFTER the protesters came to the scene. Therefore, asking why protesters were mad in light of the fact that the police said he pulled a gun is nonsensical since the police hadn't even provided their side of the story yet.

3. I support these protests wholeheartedly and while I can understand why some people would "taunt" officers (built up anger and frustration), it bothers me. I don't think that that is the way to express one's frustration.
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The only reason you support the protesters is that you didn't take the time to read on the incident. The convenience store footage has been released and the guy did indeed pull a gun. It was an unregistered gun with the numbers filed off. This thug has a long record with the police.

The protesters should be kicked in the nuts repeatedly to ensure that this sort of stupidity isn't passed down to future generations.
 
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X Factor said:
This past summer I was out watering the last remaining live vegitation in my side yard. It was the weekend so I was dressed in my rattiest shorts and t-shirt, hadn't shaved and as I was just outside my house, didn't think to grab any sort of ID. Despite the water hose in my hand, one of my neighbors called the police to report my suspicious activity. Officer shows up and starts questioning me. He tries to make it seem like harmless small talk, asking me the names of my dogs, what year my car sitting in the drive was, things like that but I totally got that he was testing me, seeing if my answers made sense. I guess I could have clammed up and been incensed that he we questioning me of all people (why my innocence should have been obvious to him) and tell him last I checked this was still America and demand a lawyer, but all that would have done is drug out what was a twenty minute encounter. I just can't be too upset with someone who was actually potentially protecting my house. I can't even be too pissed at whichever neighbor reported me (even though I do think it a little silly).
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You can certainly use your own discretion on when it is appropriate to talk with police. That seems like a reasonable situation. Another question you might answer is "do you have a weapon on you?".
 
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gdgyva said:
kinda depends on what the question is
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Agreed - it depends on the question. But if you aren't sure, it's better to be silent and request a lawyer than it is to do anything else.
 
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Truckstop said:
Thanks, I mostly come here to read other peoples perspectives on things. You and a few other seem to mostly have the same view as I do on a lot of things and say it better than I generally would.
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it is always nice when your views are shared by others

and i agree with CJ.......

always good to hear another sane voice in here

dont be so bashful......

they cant take away your birthday......lol
 
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apdst said:
At which point he can place you under arrest and hold you for 24 hours.

Is your next piece of advice to resist arrest?
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Why would I resist arrest? If I was arrested for no reason and treated unjustly I would sue their ****ing balls off, though.
 
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What this cop did was outrageous. Any reasonable person understands immediately that it was his duty to let the suspect shoot him. Obviously this young man was simply trying to defend himself against the danger--which is was entirely reasonable of him to perceive--that the white cop was about to murder him.
 
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Truckstop said:
You seem to be freaking out over it, I have no issue with it at all. Cooperate to me is "just answering his questions". If your a paranoid nut case that thinks cops are trying to find a reason to arrest you then yes just shut up and lawyer up. Just remember that to do that means you will probably be taken in until they can figure out why you need a lawyer.
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I don't think you could find one person who studies law that thinks "just answer the officers" questions is a good idea.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Clamming up is also considered obstruction. So if you even just look like someone they are looking for and get all uppity, expect to be treated as such.
If you refuse to defer to the authority vested in the officer by the state you live in. I don't care how much of a beat down you receive.
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No, it's not.

What's the first Miranda right? LOL
 
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