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Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

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I predict Al Sharpton will be speaking by the end of the day, and we'll see riots soon thereafter.



I predict that Santa Claus will be making a long delivery trip with with his reindeer and sleigh tonight.

And I'll bet that some people will be getting guns for Christmas. I hope that they don't shoot their eye out!
 
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"The officer had been given a body camera but was not wearing it at the time of the shooting. His car's dashboard camera also was not activated when the incident took place, Belmar said."

Officer kills armed black man near Ferguson, Missouri, police say | Reuters

Can't wait for the conspiracy theories to start flying.

The point is body camera's and dash cams are not the answer complete answer to shootings or violance.
 
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Apparently unlike you I watch the video.

You mean the gas station vid showing the guy pointing a gun at the officer? Or the vids captured by the news media?

Still no answer to my questions.
 
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Yes guns should be banned, starting with handguns and readily concealed weapons. Has nothing to do with Hands Up, Don't Shoot. It has to do with the death toll.



:lamo

When you get this done, let us know. :roll:
 
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Still desperately trying to move that goal post I see.

Whether or not people are intent on hating cops, and whether or not the more light that is "shed" from body cameras will help "vindicate" the tops to these people, has nothing to do with the statement in the post you quoted that started this line of conversation.

Whether or not people will still complain about the cops or say this cop was wrong, even if there was a body camera video, is entirely irrelevant to whether or not a body camera would shed more light on this situation.

A poster claimed a body camera would shed more light on this situation.

You claimed that it wouldn't.

You then tried to defend your ridiculous claim by talking about something that in no way, shape, or form defends it. (that people would still complain)

I claimed that it wouldn't make any difference to the haters. Here's the post;

No it won't. Haters will still rally against cops no matter what any video shows. What do they want? Dead cops. When do they want it? Now!

Now how has anything I've said since that post "moved the goalposts"? I keep saying variations of pretty much the same thing. That you don't want to accept there's truth in that is really not my problem.
 
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You mean the gas station vid showing the guy pointing a gun at the officer? Or the vids captured by the news media?

Still no answer to my questions.

The one showing a guy being harrassed by a police officer because he was shopping while black.
 
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Apparently talking about guns in a thread about a shooting is off topic, so a guy comes out of an open store with a grocery bag in his hand, talks to another guy a minute, and then starts walking across the parking lot of an open business with evidence of having just been a patron at that open business and an officer on an alleged routine patrol found what reason to find that suspicious enough to enter onto the private property and initiate an encounter with his business' customers?

I don't understand this ****. If a cop wants to talk to you the appropriate response is to just answer his questions. How ****ing hard is this. If you perceive it as harassment you take that up with his boss, not him, in the street.

Cops can be good, bad and all shades in between. Generally, only stupid people put themselves in a situation where a cop would kill them.
 
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Law abiding citizen you are definitely :lo
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Anyone who advocates doing something should be prepared to help get it done. :roll:

If not, don't talk about it.
 
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Yes guns should be banned, starting with handguns and readily concealed weapons. Has nothing to do with Hands Up, Don't Shoot. It has to do with the death toll.

good grief.

Simple solution. Don't pull and point a gun on anyone who is also carrying. I doubt the person would be shot.

"readily concealed weapons.". So we should ban knives, any sharp object, clubs, etc.

If we banned and got rid of all weapons, earth may be peaceful, but would have no way to defend itself when the alien attack came.:lamo
 
Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

good grief.

Simple solution. Don't pull and point a gun on anyone who is also carrying. I doubt the person would be shot.

"readily concealed weapons.". So we should ban knives, any sharp object, clubs, etc.

If we banned and got rid of all weapons, earth may be peaceful, but would have no way to defend itself when the alien attack came.:lamo

Suicide by cop happens. Wonder what makes a person suicidal? Hmmmmmm....living a life with no hope perhaps.
 
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The one showing a guy being harrassed by a police officer because he was shopping while black.

Why are you making this about race?

So if a police officer approaches anyone its harassment?
 
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I don't understand this ****. If a cop wants to talk to you the appropriate response is to just answer his questions. How ****ing hard is this. If you perceive it as harassment you take that up with his boss, not him, in the street.

Cops can be good, bad and all shades in between. Generally, only stupid people put themselves in a situation where a cop would kill them.

That's horrible advice. Depending on what the officer is trying to talk to you about, I would greatly advise against that.

Instead, ask if you are being arrested or if you should get a lawyer.
 
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Why are you making this about race?

So if a police officer approaches anyone its harassment?

Because rain is about the weather.
 
True, and true. The main issue in this case, though, is whether or not the teen pointed a gun at the cop. I don't think this point has been clearly established yet, given some strange circumstances I detailed earlier. If the the teen did point a gun at the officer, case closed. If he didn't, then all hell breaks loose, as we'd be facing a major cover-up happening in the middle of an already explosive situation.

One thing that would help, I think, is that police leaders re-train officers to have body cameras and dashboard cameras on at all times, and that this footage be immediately and transparently available in any doubtful case. Trust and accountability must be restored from all sides, otherwise we are all as a society headed into a lot of trouble (which has started already, like the crazy guy who shot and killed two officers in New York City).

Me, while I wouldn't endorse for a second any case of unjustified police brutality, I'd also want my home and family and city to be protected by police.

The police serve society in a very essential job (and a difficult, honorable, and dangerous and even heroic one); on the other hand, we do need our police officers to be highly trained, responsible (as in, using the right level of force required by the circumstances), and accountable if they stray (with non-malicious human error being taken into account as attenuating circumstance, but malicious and deliberate misuse of force or cover-ups being severely punished). We need our citizens to be equally law-abiding, respectful of officers when the police are doing their job appropriately, and accountable for things like violent protests and looting. We need our criminals to be caught, prosecuted, and killed when justified (as in self-defense when they are trying to kill an officer). In summary, we need a state of law where all parties behave within it.

Unfortunately as a society we seem to be currently far from the ideal I've just stated.

Good post. What's most often overlooked in the "hold them to a higher standard" crowd is that citizens should then also be held to a higher standards in how they deal with officers. Typically though, they think holding cops "to a higher standard" simply means that people can be just a douchey or even threatening to cops and cops should do nothing but accept it with detached bemusement.
 
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If I post daily some very REAL accounts of brutality committed by black people, will you begin protesting 'the blacks'? Or will you join others tripping over yourself to defend them and point out that a small minority of black people do not represent black people? What about Muslims? If I post daily articles (with video to enhance the gore) of Muslims committing attrocities, will you too then wholeheartedly join in protests against 'the Muslims'?

Races and religions are not responsible for policing each other, police are.
 
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No it won't. Haters will still rally against cops no matter what any video shows.
What do they want? Dead cops. When do they want it? Now!



What we need is some patience. When do we need it?- Right fricking NOW!!
 
Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

I predict that Santa Claus will be making a long delivery trip with with his reindeer and sleigh tonight.

And I'll bet that some people will be getting guns for Christmas. I hope that they don't shoot their eye out!

8pm, 24 hours of it, looking forward to 'A Christmas Story' marathon.
 
Re: Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun.....

That's horrible advice. Depending on what the officer is trying to talk to you about, I would greatly advise against that.

Instead, ask if you are being arrested or if you should get a lawyer.

True, I guess if your coming out of a gas station at midnight with a gun you may have reason to keep your mouth shut. Pointing said gun at the officer when he tries to talk to you is the point at which you become stupid enough to get shot by a cop.
 
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Races and religions are not responsible for policing each other, police are.

Who polices the police?
 
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Who polices the police?

It used to be the law itself, now... not so much.
 
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Who polices the police?

The internal affairs division, and as all cops know, they do it rather zealously.
 
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It used to be the law itself, now... not so much.

Now nobody does. It will only get worse. There is no group that speed skates down a slippery slope like law enforcement.
 
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True, I guess if your coming out of a gas station at midnight with a gun you may have reason to keep your mouth shut. Pointing said gun at the officer when he tries to talk to you is the point at which you become stupid enough to get shot by a cop.

I'm sorry, but telling someone they should just answer police questions is not good advice. In fact, it's probably the worst advice you could give.

That doesn't mean you should be uncooperative, either.
 
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