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Police: Officer in Missouri shot, Killed man who Pulled Gun..... [W:22]

You mistake me for someone that gives a **** about your opinion or anything you have to say. Reread your intro to this conversation and start over. Or don't. I literally could not care less if you paid me to.

I love you too. <3
 
Why do blacks have the highest unemployment rates? Why do they have the highest dropout rates? Why do they have the highest teen pregnancy rates? Why do they have the highest incarceration rates? Why do they kill more people by percentage than every other racial group? Why do they lead every misery index category in the nation including in states with extraordinarily low percentage of total population like Alaska?

I'd want to see what happens to these numbers if we control for poverty rates, that is, if we compare a poor black to a poor white and a wealthy black to a wealthy white. I have a very hard time believing that if you compare black medical doctors in America to white medical doctors, you will find a higher crime rate among the black doctors. I know personally and closely at least four black doctors I can think of, and I don't think any of them is any more likely to commit a crime, be unemployed, or have unwed pregnant daughters than their white counterparts. Take for instance black kids adopted by wealthy white families - I doubt they'd have a higher school dropout rate than their white counterparts, except in cases where they might have suffered some sort of pre-adoption damage such as malnourishment early in life affecting brain development - which wouldn't be due to their skin color but rather to parental poverty.

I believe that the vast majority of the above stats is driven by poverty and other social ills rather than the amount of pigment in someone's skin. I certainly don't think that having that pigment in itself and independently of socioeconomic barriers makes someone more prone to criminal behavior. Melanin in the skin, that I know, doesn't go into certain brain cells and cause people to turn into raging criminal beasts.

So, while I see the good intentions in your post, I'd address the problem, if possible, without focusing on race. I'd hope for investors, educators, society in general, etc., to offer good jobs, good role modeling, good opportunities, good health care, good nutrition, good education to the POOR in America independently of race rather than to the black in America. When you focus on the recipient's race, you are in a sense implying that his/her race is what is causing the problem, and not the disadvantaged socioeconomic issues.

See, you are prescribing a socioeconomic solution (investors, etc.) so you need to acknowledge that the problem you are identifying is a socioeconomic one, not a skin color one. If the skin color were the determinant factor (I mean, if due to some crazy, inexistent biology that would only be believable in a sci-fi film, the melanin in someone's skin were the causal factor for the criminal behavior), no monetary investment would change that - by throwing money and good jobs upon that person you'd only produce a higher level criminal.

Tissue compatibility studies have shown that the human species doesn't actually possess races in the biological sense, since sometimes when you're white and you need a kidney transplant, your black neighbor might be a better donor than your white co-worker. It's been shown that the amount of melanin in one's skin is a minor cosmetic evolutionary trait linked to the origins of the human species in climates rich in sun rays, which is literally only skin deep and much less important in terms of biological identity than other markers such as tissue subtypes.

Thinking that being black *in itself* independently of all the other socioeconomic factors is what makes someone prone to criminal behavior is a severely misguided and ignorant idea. If we as a society started by recognizing such a basic scientific fact, maybe we'd seek the real solutions to the real socioeconomic problems instead of focusing on race all the time.

Given that our society doesn't seem to place a big value on scientific evidence (see for example the politically charged panic around Ebola which is a non-airborne virus that has a really hard time spreading in a country that possesses a decent public health system and decent isolation capacities and has killed virtually ZERO Americans while the flu generates no politically charged panic and kills 30,000 Americans every single year), I'm not holding my breath that the simple scientific facts I referred to will have any impact on this conversation, but one can only hope.
 
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I love you too. <3

Good morning.

Have you ever noticed using forums like these, that when you get under someone's skin or irritate them, they don't debate, they just attack you for your opinions, resort to calling others racists and bigots, then say they don't give a **** what you think? Ironic, ain't it? Me thinks those are the real R & B's. and I ain't talkin' 'bout rhythm and blues either.
 
Good morning.

Have you ever noticed using forums like these, that when you get under someone's skin or irritate them, they don't debate, they just attack you for your opinions, resort to calling others racists and bigots, then say they don't give a **** what you think? Ironic, ain't it? Me thinks those are the real R & B's. and I ain't talkin' 'bout rhythm and blues either.
:lamo Insult people? You didnt actually bother to read the thread or follow the conversation before Phys251 jumped in...did you?

On the other hand, its funny knowing that I am apparently in your head. Tho for what...I cant bother to remember.
 
I'd want to see what happens to these numbers if we control for poverty rates, that is, if we compare a poor black to a poor white and a wealthy black to a wealthy white. I have a very hard time believing that if you compare black medical doctors in America to white medical doctors, you will find a higher crime rate among the black doctors. I know personally and closely at least four black doctors I can think of, and I don't think any of them is any more likely to commit a crime, be unemployed, or have unwed pregnant daughters than their white counterparts. Take for instance black kids adopted by wealthy white families - I doubt they'd have a higher school dropout rate than their white counterparts, except in cases where they might have suffered some sort of pre-adoption damage such as malnourishment early in life affecting brain development - which wouldn't be due to their skin color but rather to parental poverty.

I believe that the vast majority of the above stats is driven by poverty and other social ills rather than the amount of pigment in someone's skin. I certainly don't think that having that pigment in itself and independently of socioeconomic barriers makes someone more prone to criminal behavior. Melanin in the skin, that I know, doesn't go into certain brain cells and cause people to turn into raging criminal beasts.

So, while I see the good intentions in your post, I'd address the problem, if possible, without focusing on race. I'd hope for investors, educators, society in general, etc., to offer good jobs, good role modeling, good opportunities, good health care, good nutrition, good education to the POOR in America independently of race rather than to the black in America. When you focus on the recipient's race, you are in a sense implying that his/her race is what is causing the problem, and not the disadvantaged socioeconomic issues.

See, you are prescribing a socioeconomic solution (investors, etc.) so you need to acknowledge that the problem you are identifying is a socioeconomic one, not a skin color one. If the skin color were the determinant factor (I mean, if due to some crazy, inexistent biology that would only be believable in a sci-fi film, the melanin in someone's skin were the causal factor for the criminal behavior), no monetary investment would change that - by throwing money and good jobs upon that person you'd only produce a higher level criminal.

Tissue compatibility studies have shown that the human species doesn't actually possess races in the biological sense, since sometimes when you're white and you need a kidney transplant, your black neighbor might be a better donor than your white co-worker. It's been shown that the amount of melanin in one's skin is a minor cosmetic evolutionary trait linked to the origins of the human species in climates rich in sun rays, which is literally only skin deep and much less important in terms of biological identity than other markers such as tissue subtypes.

Thinking that being black *in itself* independently of all the other socioeconomic factors is what makes someone prone to criminal behavior is a severely misguided and ignorant idea. If we as a society started by recognizing such a basic scientific fact, maybe we'd seek the real solutions to the real socioeconomic problems instead of focusing on race all the time.

Given that our society doesn't seem to place a big value on scientific evidence (see for example the politically charged panic around Ebola which is a non-airborne virus that has a really hard time spreading in a country that possesses a decent public health system and decent isolation capacities and has killed virtually ZERO Americans while the flu generates no politically charged panic and kills 30,000 Americans every single year), I'm not holding my breath that the simple scientific facts I referred to will have any impact on this conversation, but one can only hope.

Compare white politicians to black poliricians snd see what you come up with.
 
Good morning.

Have you ever noticed using forums like these, that when you get under someone's skin or irritate them, they don't debate, they just attack you for your opinions, resort to calling others racists and bigots, then say they don't give a **** what you think? Ironic, ain't it? Me thinks those are the real R & B's. and I ain't talkin' 'bout rhythm and blues either.

Liberals do it all the time. It's you people have.
 
Now, imagine if a couple of cops were allowed to walk, scot free.
 
Good morning.

Have you ever noticed using forums like these, that when you get under someone's skin or irritate them, they don't debate, they just attack you for your opinions, resort to calling others racists and bigots, then say they don't give a **** what you think? Ironic, ain't it? Me thinks those are the real R & B's. and I ain't talkin' 'bout rhythm and blues either.

That's how you know you're winning. :)
 
Good morning.

Have you ever noticed using forums like these, that when you get under someone's skin or irritate them, they don't debate, they just attack you for your opinions, resort to calling others racists and bigots, then say they don't give a **** what you think? Ironic, ain't it? Me thinks those are the real R & B's. and I ain't talkin' 'bout rhythm and blues either.

Oh yeah! I've noticed! :lamo
 
Wouldn't you assess the situation first?
WTF is there to assess?

Cops pulls up to guy.
Guy reaches into pocket, pulls out gun.
Cop shoots guy.

What else do you want?


For instance, in the case of Rice who was standing in the open: how about take cover and use the loud speaker? It was conveyed that he probably had a toy gun
And risk having the situation turn into a potential shootout, resulting in unknown casualties?
 
You are acting as if police brutality and racism don't actually exist.

They exist, just not as much as ****stains such as Al Sharpton & Eric Holder think and say exists. To types like them, every cop like to beat up people and all Whites are general racists.
 
They exist, just not as much as ****stains such as Al Sharpton & Eric Holder think and say exists. To types like them, every cop like to beat up people and all Whites are general racists.

I don't recall Sharpton or Holder ever saying or implying either of those things.
 
WTF is there to assess?

Cops pulls up to guy.
Guy reaches into pocket, pulls out gun.
Cop shoots guy.

What else do you want?

And risk having the situation turn into a potential shootout, resulting in unknown casualties?

It did turn into a shootout resulting in casualties... for no reason. So did John Crawford's case.

Again, I'll side with police a lot of the time, but those two cases were handled carelessly and I won't support the outcome.
 
Wouldn't you assess the situation first?
Assessment takes less than a second.

It's called the "OODA loop". I learned about it in the Army and I'm certain police train some version of it also.
  • Observation: the collection of data by means of the senses.
  • Orientation: the analysis and synthesis of data to form one's current mental perspective.
  • Decision: the determination of a course of action based on one's current mental perspective.
  • Action: the physical playing-out of decisions.
Part of the training police undertake, which is why we trust them with firearms in the first place, develops the automatic response of pulling the service weapon and moving when a detainee produces a weapon.

A cop drawing his weapon and firing on someone who points a gun at him is in perfect harmony with police training and desired action. This is exactly what we, the people, want cops to do.
 
Wouldn't you assess the situation first? For instance, in the case of Rice who was standing in the open: how about take cover and use the loud speaker? It was conveyed that he probably had a toy gun.

The Berkeley cop had a gun trained on him...assessment complete; time to react to the threat.
 
What make/model of gun is this? Looks like Hi-Point 00916 Compact 9mm.

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....is it just me or is the safety engaged? That would explain why the officer is still alive.
 
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Slide lock / release.

99.99% of auto have them.

Safety would have to be further to the rear in order to lock the striker or the sear.
I've never owned or handled a filthy high-point peasant as I'm a member of the Colt master race, but I'm pretty sure that's a safety:



I could be wrong though.
 
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