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Q3 GDP Grew 5%, "Fastest Rate In More Than a Decade"

You're misinformed.

OK, kinda why I posted that the way I did.

The USD tends to grow stronger vs the Euro when QE is announced. The exception is in 2014, when QE efforts have largely been phased out, and the USD still grew stronger. USD vs GBP shows no real correlation to rounds of QE. USD vs JPY shows no correlation to either QE or EUR or GBP. The Yuan is still largely pegged to the USD.

QE can act as an inflationary force... unless the country is in a liquidity trap and/or facing other serious deflationary pressures (as the US did from 2007 to the present). It also seems that QE didn't do much, since the banks do not seem to have substantially increased lending and/or it is only very recently that consumer borrowing has gone up. Oh, and the Eurozone and the UK have done their own rounds of QE.

A QE race that we are winning?

1) Even by your own claim, you're incorrect. QE has been mostly phased out, and the Fed is unlikely to start another round.

2) The USD is actually fairly strong right now -- strong enough to potentially harm exports, and make imports more expensive. (E.g. Strong dollar takes toll on U.S. businesses)

I understand how a strong dollar makes exporting from the US to other markets more challenging, in that it takes more of the foreign currency to pay for the US exported goods, but I don't see how a strong dollar makes US imports more expensive, it would make them cheaper, wouldn't it?

Now, we might make the claim that QE has boosted the stock market. In particular, it appears that cheap debt has fueled lots of stock buy-backs. However, AFAIK that doesn't have a big effect on GDP. Thus, it does make sense to look at what current GDP figures say about the economy, and conclude that things improved substantially for the US in Q3 2014, even as most other world economies took a bit of a nosedive.

Therefore: :2dance:

A combination of a US economic recovery, and a foreign economic set back I guess.

Still, all that toxic debt that the Fed's placed on their balance sheet. That bill hasn't come due yet, and it's going to have to at some time. I wonder the effect of this when it does.
 
That's what I said, genius. But go ahead and tell me which particular Obama policy caused this spike in GDP and why it took 6 years for it to happen. Then you can tell me if this level of GDP is going to continue and if so, why? And if not, why not? Let me thank you in advance for not answering a single one of those questions.
For one. you didn't ask me a Damn thing. Obama is helping whether you like it or not. Just by reading your denial in what's going on. I can tell you have a pre existing condition. But don't worry, Obama has you covered champ. Your party ****ed sh!t up. And have the nerve to get mad because your Fck up isn't being cleaned up fast enough. Smdh
 
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That's what I said, genius. But go ahead and tell me which particular Obama policy caused this spike in GDP and why it took 6 years for it to happen. Then you can tell me if this level of GDP is going to continue and if so, why? And if not, why not? Let me thank you in advance for not answering a single one of those questions.
Now what you can do is tell me how republicans helped in anyway. Genius
 
That's what I said, genius. But go ahead and tell me which particular Obama policy caused this spike in GDP and why it took 6 years for it to happen. Then you can tell me if this level of GDP is going to continue and if so, why? And if not, why not? Let me thank you in advance for not answering a single one of those questions.
GOP greets economic news with total silence

Maybe you should do the same. Lmao!

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gop-greets-economic-news-total-silence
 
Hey, if gas went up to $5.00 a gallon. Who would ya blame, Obama. It's under $2.00 in some places. Who do you blame for this tragedy sir?
No, I wouldn't blame Obama. The President has very little control over gas prices. It's all supply and demand. Why have oil prices fallen?

(1) The U.S. oil industry has dramatically increased production of oil. It is poised to overtake Saudi Arabia as the #2 oil producer in the world.
(2) OPEC decided it would not cut production, maintaining current supply levels. Essentially it is trying to keep the price as low as possible, hoping to drive the new U.S. oil producers (with lower profit margins due to higher costs) out of the market.
(3) A weakening economy in Europe, Japan, and other areas of the world has put downward pressure on the demand for oil.
(4) Speculators are bearish because of these factors, selling off oil in fear that it will get lower.

So you have increased supply on the one hand and decreased demand on the other, coupled with speculation that prices will stay low or fall further. That is a textbook recipe for lower prices. And lower prices we have. Nothing to do with Obama, Bush, Congress, Republicans, or Democrats. Anyone who says otherwise is a partisan ignoramus.
 
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Well I respect what your saying. You are the exception. The the majority in this forum would think other wise.
 
No, I wouldn't blame Obama. The President has very little control over gas prices. It's all supply and demand. Why have oil prices fallen?

(1) The U.S. oil industry has dramatically increased production of oil. It is poised to overtake Saudi Arabia as the #2 oil producer in the world.
(2) OPEC decided it would not cut production, maintaining current supply levels. Essentially it is trying to keep the price as low as possible, hoping to drive the new U.S. oil producers (with lower profit margins due to higher costs) out of the market.
(3) A weakening economy in Europe, Japan, and other areas of the world has put downward pressure on the demand for oil.
(4) Speculators are bearish because of these factors, selling off oil in fear that it will get lower.

So you have increased supply on the one hand and decreased demand on the other, coupled with speculation that prices will stay low or fall further. That is a textbook recipe for lower prices. And lower prices we have. Nothing to do with Obama, Bush, Congress, Republicans, or Democrats. Anyone who says otherwise is a partisan ignoramus.
Well I respect what your saying. You are the exception. The the majority in this forum would think other wise. And that's a fact
 
Well I respect what your saying. You are the exception. The the majority in this forum would think other wise.
Then the majority are wrong. It is pretty obvious why oil prices are falling...unless you are a partisan ignoramus.
 
Pretty much summed up my opinion of libertarianism in a nutshell--as long as it sounds nice....

WTF did this have to do with the topic?
 
Then the majority are wrong. It is pretty obvious why oil prices are falling...unless you are a partisan ignoramus.

There a lot of those in Congress apparently and they are ALL Republicans. Is that a coincidence or is it just the GOP?

U.S. Rep. Roger Williams, R-Austin, said in a recent newsletter to constituents in his District 25 that Washington is making it harder to produce home-grown energy.

A reader wrote us July 1, 2013, asking us to check this claim: "In January of 2009, a gallon of gasoline cost $1.89. Today, the average cost of a gallon of gasoline is $3.51," Williams wrote in the mailer.

"It doesn’t take an economist to figure out how a gallon of gasoline has increased by $1.62 in four years. The liberal anti-free market policies of the Obama administration discourage the exploration of American sources of energy and hinder production and job growth."

This is a popular theme; we fact-checked Texas Republicans who blamed high gas prices on Obama in 2011 and 2012. Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst earned a Mostly False rating last year for claiming a gallon cost $4.50, and Michael Williams, now the state education commissioner, got a Half True for saying in 2011 that gas prices had gone up $2 under Obama.
Roger Williams: Obama policies contributed to raising gas prices from $1.89 in 2009 to $3.51 today | PolitiFact Texas
 
Just a couple of notes in this already partisan bitch fest.

A. "Progressive" individuals were in here pissing and moaning about the lack of Conservative or Republican leaning folks crying about Obama, so much so that they have decided to put words in people mouths pre-emptively.

B. Tools showing up saying EXACTLY what the pre-emptive idiots were looking for them to say.


I don't know which is more pathetic.


Can't we just be happy that the economy seems to be doing better and move the **** on?
 
You're misinformed.

The USD tends to grow stronger vs the Euro when QE is announced. The exception is in 2014, when QE efforts have largely been phased out, and the USD still grew stronger. USD vs GBP shows no real correlation to rounds of QE. USD vs JPY shows no correlation to either QE or EUR or GBP. The Yuan is still largely pegged to the USD.

QE can act as an inflationary force... unless the country is in a liquidity trap and/or facing other serious deflationary pressures (as the US did from 2007 to the present). It also seems that QE didn't do much, since the banks do not seem to have substantially increased lending and/or it is only very recently that consumer borrowing has gone up. Oh, and the Eurozone and the UK have done their own rounds of QE.



1) Even by your own claim, you're incorrect. QE has been mostly phased out, and the Fed is unlikely to start another round.

2) The USD is actually fairly strong right now -- strong enough to potentially harm exports, and make imports more expensive. (E.g. Strong dollar takes toll on U.S. businesses)

Now, we might make the claim that QE has boosted the stock market. In particular, it appears that cheap debt has fueled lots of stock buy-backs. However, AFAIK that doesn't have a big effect on GDP. Thus, it does make sense to look at what current GDP figures say about the economy, and conclude that things improved substantially for the US in Q3 2014, even as most other world economies took a bit of a nosedive.

Therefore: :2dance:


No, " QE hasn't been phased out ".

Its effects on interest rates are very much in effect which is WHY its still substantially influencing the Stock Markets record highs.

Why do you Libs keep ignoring the fact that the FED is sitting on a massive pile of excess reserves ?

That it can't get rid of ?
 
For one. you didn't ask me a Damn thing. Obama is helping whether you like it or not. Just by reading your denial in what's going on. I can tell you have a pre existing condition. But don't worry, Obama has you covered champ. Your party ****ed sh!t up. And have the nerve to get mad because your Fck up isn't being cleaned up fast enough. Smdh
There is a reason why I thanked you in advance for not answering my direct questions and that is because I knew you wouldn't. Thanks for proving me right. I'd ask you again to explain which Obama policies brought about the 5% GDP growth, but you wont answer for one simple reason--you cant.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/24/b...lumn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

GDP figures were revised to 5%, up from 3.9%. Growth in Q3 was mostly due to:
• Investment by businesses
• Increased consumer spending
• Improvements in trade

Consumption may be up in Q4 due to falling gas prices. This means Q3 was the strongest quarter since 2003.

Keep in mind that there is obviously much more to an economy than GDP, but it's still a good sign.

Hey wait a minute. Wasn't reduced government spending under Sequestration supposed to send us back into the economic doldrums instead of increasing growth?
 
Sequestration did affect GDP in 2013. CBO estimated a 0.6% reduction in 2013's GDP, other estimates ranged from 0.4% to 1%.

Sequestration didn't have any major effects in 2014. Government spending didn't change much:

2013 Expenditures: $3.4 trillion
2014 Expenditures: $3.5 trillion (planned)

Government employment didn't change, and as has been the case during the entire recovery, the job growth is in the private sector.

While government expenditures do affect GDP, government spending does not appear to have contributed to the overall GDP growth rate (or the Q1 loss) for 2014.
 
Pretty much summed up my opinion of libertarianism in a nutshell--as long as it sounds nice....
Libertarianism does not sound nice to me...

And yes I know he's being sarcastic...
 
Libertarianism does not sound nice to me...

And yes I know he's being sarcastic...

Libertarianism is a bunch of non-sequitur soundbites that make no sense when strung together. We would live in a world where 5% growth would be a reference to to the sod on top our prairie shanty after a spring rain.
 
Advil wont grow you a pair of balls, dude.
Typical libertarian response. Did you even read the article about the formation of your pseudo political ideology?

Libertarianism is a extreme form of corporatism, that would allow corporations to run rampant, turn america into a bigger oligarchy than it already is, and destroy the working class once and for all. That's why it was made up by corporatists like Volker and kolch senior.

It originally meant anarcho socialism, they stole the word and twisted its meaning to a extreme.
 
Typical libertarian response. Did you even read the article about the formation of your pseudo political ideology?
No.

Libertarianism is a extreme form of corporatism, that would allow corporations to run rampant, turn america into a bigger oligarchy than it already is, and destroy the working class once and for all. That's why it was made up by corporatists like Volker and kolch senior.

It originally meant anarcho socialism, they stole the word and twisted its meaning to a extreme.
If that garbage is the best you've got, then you got squat.
 
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