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One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

tres borrachos said:
Why am I getting the impression that some of these people are laying awake at night worrying about being choked by policemen?

In my list of things I'm afraid will happen to me, choking by cop falls right behind getting raped by Brad Pitt and right before getting kicked in the head by a herd of stampeding elephants in New Hampshire.
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If you had just watched Thelma and Louise, I can understand why you might be afraid of getting raped by Brad Pitt (I think he rapes one of them in that). :lol:

These people have such a distorted view of reality that you are probably right.
 
apdst said:
The Libbos are sticking to a fake narrative with Garner, the way they are with Brown.

Have you noticed that stupid-assed, flamebait question that Glen and Hatuey keep parroting? That proves my point.
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Its because they hang their argument on false narratives. So you aren't going to get meaningful discussion from them. They can only exist in spin-thats liberalism.
 
Hatuey said:
Lmao, cops can't order you to cease and desist. I don't think you actually know what that means. As to whether I'd fight or cooperate if a cop confronted me, I'd politely ask why it is I'm being ordered to do whatever. If a second cop then decided approach me from behind and put me in a chokehold, I'd defend myself from it just like I would any unidentified threat. :shrug: Before you get too excited, the answer is in bold.

Anywho, you going to answer the question or not? It's simple:

When someone's choking you, are you going to lie down there and let them continue to choke you?


Yes or no?
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So, we can expect to see an article about how you got your ass kicked by the cops for resisting?
 
tres borrachos said:
Why am I getting the impression that some of these people are laying awake at night worrying about being choked by policemen?

In my list of things I'm afraid will happen to me, choking by cop falls right behind getting raped by Brad Pitt and right before getting kicked in the head by a herd of stampeding elephants in New Hampshire.
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I think its because they actually believe that they have the right to fight with a cop, with no consequences.
 
apdst said:
So, we can expect to see an article about how you got your ass kicked by the cops for resisting?
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Apdst, you can expect whatever you want after you asked a hypothetical question and I answer it. However, whatever you expect has nothing your avoidance of the question. An avoidance which has not gone unnoticed. Here it is again:

When someone's choking you, are you going to lie down there and let them continue to choke you?

Yes or no answer.
 
apdst said:
Because it's flamebait and I'm not going to bite.
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Lmao, flamebait? You're offended/angered by having to tell people whether you'd allow yourself to be choked? :lol:
 
Hatuey said:
Lmao, flamebait? You're offended/angered by having to tell people whether you'd allow yourself to be choked? :lol:
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I'm not offended, but you sure do seem uptight about it. You don't get it, but that's no surprise. :shrug:
 
apdst said:
I'm not offended
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Then it's not flamebait. Now, would you let yourself be choked by a police officer? Yes or no.
 
Hatuey said:
Then it's not flamebait. Now, would you let yourself be choked by a police officer? Yes or no.
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I'm not going to give an officer a reason to get physical, so your question is irrelevant. I'm not that stupid, to put myself in that situation.
 
apdst said:
I'm not going to give an officer a reason to get physical, so your question is irrelevant. I'm not that stupid, to put myself in that situation.
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This has already been addressed and its entirely irrelevant to the question being asked. You don't have clairvoyance and cops are not immune from senseless violence. With that said: Would you allow a cop to put you in a chokehold? Yes or no.
 
Hatuey said:
This has already been addressed and its entirely irrelevant to the question being asked. You don't have clairvoyance and cops are not immune from senseless violence. With that said: Would you allow a cop to put you in a chokehold? Yes or no.
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You got your answer, now stop being contrary. You have no point, accept to be argumentative. Stop wasting everyone's time.
 
apdst said:
You got your answer, now stop being contrary. You have no point, accept to be argumentative. Stop wasting everyone's time.
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I have received no answer as the only two possible answers to that question start with yes or no. :shrug: So apdst, would you let a cop put you in a chokehold?
 
tres borrachos said:
Why am I getting the impression that some of these people are laying awake at night worrying about being choked by policemen?

In my list of things I'm afraid will happen to me, choking by cop falls right behind getting raped by Brad Pitt and right before getting kicked in the head by a herd of stampeding elephants in New Hampshire.
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Straw man.
 
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Zyphlin said:
He absolutely does have a record of stoking racial fires. I don't like him either.

The difference betweeen us it seems is that despite disliking him, I don't think it's wrong, unfair, or worthy of condemnation to call out people who's arguments are based on outright lies simply because I dislike Sharpton.
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I'll refer you back to my example of someone spreading gasoline and other flammable materials in a forest and then condemning those who would start fires which burnt down 3,000 forest acres. If he stokes the fire he has some culpability - I don't support those who outright lie about what he may or may not have done. As I've said, his fingerprints are not directly linked to the two cops being killed but then again, when he spread the gas and on the straw he shouldn't get away with condemning those who threw the match.
 
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I'd like to come back to this quote Zyph, and address a little more since I am on my laptop now and not on the phone...

Zyphlin said:
The group in question was reported to be in New York on December 13th as part of the Millions March NYC.

As you can see from that link, the event was organized and hosted by two women...Synead Nichols and Umaara Elliot. If you scan their website you will not see any claims of support from Al Sharpton or the civil rights group he founded, the National Action Network.
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Although that is true enough, Synead Nichols was the Organizer for the DC event..These groups are purposely staying loosely connected for just this type of deniability IMHO...

If you'll read, (And I believe I tried to pull it from a non biased, if not leaning toward the protesters side of things...)

Thousands of demonstrators from across the country, including Rev. Al Sharpton and the families of Eric Garner, Michael Brown, and Tamir Rice, are expected to converge on Washington, D.C., on Saturday to protest police violence.

Sharpton’s National Action Network organized the Justice for All march with support from about 50 organizations, including the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Urban League.


“We’re like the union for families, because they want an infrastructure to fight an infrastructure,” the civil rights leader told The Washington Post. “We do not want this to be an episodic movement. We want it to be real change.”

Family members of Trayvon Martin, the 17-year-old fatally shot by a neighborhood watch volunteer in Florida in 2012; John H. Crawford, III, shot and killed by police after picking up a toy gun in the toy section of an Ohio Walmart in August; and Akai Gurley, accidentally shot and killed by a New York officer in a Brooklyn, N.Y., housing project in November will join the march as well. Buses full of protesters from all over the United States are scheduled to arrive in D.C.

Other cities are also anticipating protests on Saturday, which has been called the National Day of Resistance. The Millions March in New York City is set to kick off at Washington Square Park.

Lead organizer Synead Nichols said in a statement, “We are a new generation of young multi*racial activists willing to take up the torch, and we’re not going to stand for this anymore.”

The Daily Fix: Families of Men Killed by Police to Join National March in Washington, D.C. | TakePart
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So, Ms. Nichols is behind the Millions March site, and was the lead organizer in DC...interesting.

Meanwhile, Sharpton was 225 miles away in Washington DC hosting his Justice for All March. This march was also on December 13th, the same day as the Millions March NYC, but in an entirely diffrent city.

You can google "National Action Network" and "Justice for All March" and find all sorts of links to instances on their website talking about the protest in DC they organized and hosted.
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Like I said it is easy to deny because these groups are indeed as far as I am concerned working together, however, they will publicly stay only loosely affiliated in order to deny any culpability when things like this happen...

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The only "evidence" that the New York crowd was in any way related to Sharpton has been:

1. Random right wing blogs that are either unsourced...OR the sources they link to actually don't verify any of the claims they make
2. Headlines or videos, such as a Fox and Friends video, where the NYC protests and the Al Sharpton protests are spoken about back to back giving the IMPRESSION they were directly related despite being entirely seperate events hosted by entirely different people.
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This respectfully IMHO, is just not true...

1. I stayed away from "right wing blogs" to get the information that Ms. Nichols was the lead organizer in Sharpton's DC event you say he was at during the "dead cops" chanting...And you should know that Sharpton doesn't have to be present controlling things for him to be involved behind the scenes...

2. It's easy to bash Fox, and just blame them for the accusations, but when the slightest digging is done into these individuals, you would see that they are indeed working closely...

Think of it this way...When Giffords was shot tragically, the liberal left media outlets took no time in linking that event with not only 2nd amendment supporters, but tea party movements...They never retracted that dishonest crap disguised as journalism, but somehow it is totally wrong to even think that the rhetoric, and emotions being stirred up today have anything to do with someone taking it to the next level...

Sorry, but I am not willing to give this movement that kind of pass. As much as I can't stand Di Blasio...he was calling for suspending protests until the slain officers were burried...How'd that work for him?

Hundreds of demonstrators marched down Fifth Avenue, despite Mayor Bill de Blasio's request for a moratorium on protests.

A number of protesters scoffed at the mayor's public appeal, made after the killings of two police officers.

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j-mac said:
So, Ms. Nichols is behind the Millions March site, and was the lead organizer in DC...interesting.
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Washington Square Park is in NY. All that quote says is that she was lead organizer of the march in NY - which is what he said earlier.
 
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J-mac...not only did your posts not counter what I stated, they actually reenforced my statements.

What they also did is highlight my other point in terms of the dishonest reporting of this by numerous portion of media.

j-mac said:
Although that is true enough, Synead Nichols was the Organizer for the DC event
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No, she's not. Read your story again. You're confused because it's seemingly intentionally misleading, a common theme thus far in stories covering this. Below is the quote from your post, with my emphasis added:

j-mac said:
Other cities are also anticipating protests on Saturday, which has been called the National Day of Resistance. The Millions March in New York City is set to kick off at Washington Square Park.

Lead organizer Synead Nichols said in a statement, “We are a new generation of young multi*racial activists willing to take up the torch, and we’re not going to stand for this anymore.”
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Synead Nichols is the lead organizer for the event in OTHER CITIES, specifically, the Millions March in New York City. Which is exactly what I said.

This is why you find her name no where on any press release or official website related to the "Justice for All" March, which is what happened in DC. It is also why you find her name all over the press releases and official website related to the "Millions March NYC".



If you'll read, (And I believe I tried to pull it from a non biased, if not leaning toward the protesters side of things...)

So, Ms. Nichols is behind the Millions March site, and was the lead organizer in DC...interesting.
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No, she wasn't. You completely skipped over an entire paragraph in your own quoted source that indicated it was talking about protests in OTHER CITIES.

As to your other accusation...

Yes, undoubtably there is work amongst various activist groups. Just like there's work done together between the Tea Party Patriots, the Tea Party Express, Freedom Works, Americans for Prosperity, and a large handful of smaller more localized tea party groups. However, if the Tea Party Patriots host an event...one that Freedom Works had nothing to do with...and some portion of their event say something outlandish, it would be dishonest and an outright fabrication to come out and say "Matt Kibbe (The leader of Freedom Works) led/hosted said event!" simply because Tea Party Movement groups talk to each other and often coordinate with each other.

Millions March NYC had official sponsoring groups. Those groups are found on their second press release linked on their page. All Sharpton's NAN is not present on there at all. You can insinuate and speculate and baselessly suggest all the connection you want of what may've happened behind the scenes, but factually...Al Sharpton and his civil rights group had no hand in actively running, leading, or organizing the Millions March in NYC. Claiming that he hosted the event the chants were made at, let alone actively LEADING said chants, is outright falsehood.
 
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As to Giffords. You don't have to remind me. I remember it all to well. I also can happily link to my comments then. And even before we knew factually that Loughner had nothing to do with the Tea Party and had no seeming care or support for Sarah Palin, my stance was it was asinine, dishonest, hackish, and absurd to blame the tea party or Sarah Palin for the shooting or to even suggest they're culpable or responsible for the shooting happening. Sarah Palin and the various tea party groups did not openly and honestly advocate for violence, were not in any literal sense inciting people to commit a crime, and even in the hypothetical at the time that he was spurred by their comments I still felt it would have been ridiculous to blame them...and it was amazingly irresponsible for the media to keep jumping to that conclusion.

The difference here is that I'm not magically changing my opinion and my stance on that kind of issue simply because Al Sharpton is a putz, I disagree with much of this movement while I agree with much of the Tea Party movement, and because politically this issue is about "the enemy" rather than "my team".

It was ridiculous to massively give blame and wrongfully attack people, especially using outright falsehoods, for the actual SHOOTING then, and it is ridiculous to do it now. In both instances if you want to have a realistic conversation about the potential enflaming of peoples emotions and providing an atmosphere that is conducive to crazy people getting crazy ideas...that's reasonable. But that's a LARGE difference between directly blaming or claiming someones words or actions...that in no way, shape, or form openly and honestly called for illegal activity...contributed to the actual illegal act.
 
apdst said:
I think its because they actually believe that they have the right to fight with a cop, with no consequences.
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You do have the right to fight a cop.
 
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Zyphlin said:
J-mac...not only did your posts not counter what I stated, they actually reenforced my statements.

What they also did is highlight my other point in terms of the dishonest reporting of this by numerous portion of media.



No, she's not. Read your story again. You're confused because it's seemingly intentionally misleading, a common theme thus far in stories covering this. Below is the quote from your post, with my emphasis added:



Synead Nichols is the lead organizer for the event in OTHER CITIES, specifically, the Millions March in New York City. Which is exactly what I said.

This is why you find her name no where on any press release or official website related to the "Justice for All" March, which is what happened in DC. It is also why you find her name all over the press releases and official website related to the "Millions March NYC".



If you'll read, (And I believe I tried to pull it from a non biased, if not leaning toward the protesters side of things...)



No, she wasn't. You completely skipped over an entire paragraph in your own quoted source that indicated it was talking about protests in OTHER CITIES.

As to your other accusation...

Yes, undoubtably there is work amongst various activist groups. Just like there's work done together between the Tea Party Patriots, the Tea Party Express, Freedom Works, Americans for Prosperity, and a large handful of smaller more localized tea party groups. However, if the Tea Party Patriots host an event...one that Freedom Works had nothing to do with...and some portion of their event say something outlandish, it would be dishonest and an outright fabrication to come out and say "Matt Kibbe (The leader of Freedom Works) led/hosted said event!" simply because Tea Party Movement groups talk to each other and often coordinate with each other.

Millions March NYC had official sponsoring groups. Those groups are found on their second press release linked on their page. All Sharpton's NAN is not present on there at all. You can insinuate and speculate and baselessly suggest all the connection you want of what may've happened behind the scenes, but factually...Al Sharpton and his civil rights group had no hand in actively running, leading, or organizing the Millions March in NYC. Claiming that he hosted the event the chants were made at, let alone actively LEADING said chants, is outright falsehood.
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Ok, I see that, and that was confusing...You're absolutely right in that Millions March has no affiliation with NAN...In fact I found this in a WaPo article covering the DC march....

"...Charles Wade, co-founder of a group Operation Help or Hush, who plans to participate in the Millions March.

“This weekend, people were going to D.C., but they’re no longer going because there is a march by young people, organized by young people, that young people funded,” Wade said. “We’ve been excluded by the traditional groups, so we’ve started our own thing.”

Thousands join Al Sharpton in

So, that is all the indication I need to see that they are not connected...You are correct.
 
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