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One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

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Declan said:
It is more than that. It is stop and frisk, racial profiling/driving while black, etc.
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does the fact that 6% of the population commits more than half the murders have any relevance to this alleged profiling?
 
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Did anyone catch the latest findings on the cop killer? Apparently on his cell phone he had video he recorded of the protest in NYC on December 1 along with a lot of anti-government, hate America stuff.



And where was Al Sharpton? He was in Missouri continuing to claim the Brown case to about racist cops and a need for Federal intervention over local police forces. Ironically, Sharpton has a blog at Huffo Puffo. His Dec. 1 entry was already connecting the Garner case in NYC to racism/police brutality before the Grand Jury had finished its deliberations.
Sustained Indignation*|*Rev. Al Sharpton
 
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mike2810 said:
Seems some want to ignore the situation involved with the events. I don't recall a police officer recently just walking up to a citizen and pulling the trigger.:mrgreen:

I would have more respect for the "movement" if the "movement" had not caused so much private property damage. The "movement" has hurt many innocent peoples homes or businesses.

The movement reacted way before the investigations were completed.
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As any NYPD cop will say, this "movement" is the same people who are in OWS and every protest that goes on in NY City.

NYPD chief sprayed with fake blood at Ferguson grand jury decision protest  | Daily Mail Online

1st ‘alleged’ cop-basher charged with assault | New York Post.

They deserve no one's respect.
 
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mac said:
Hundreds of thousands of police officers go to work everyday in America. A tiny fraction of them have ever shot anyone, or ever will. In nearly every case where someone has been shot, the perp was resisting arrest.

It's rediculous rhetoric like your post that fuels a senseless and misdirected rage.
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Just check the 'lean' and you'll know there is no cure for this attitude.
 
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Declan said:
It is more than that. It is stop and frisk, racial profiling/driving while black, etc.
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All this plus killing unarmed citizens? There's no real difference between 'liberals' and 'progressives' at all.
 
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Tettsuo said:
The movement would not exist if the police weren't killing unarmed citizens.
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Unarmed citizens wouldn't be getting killed, if they weren't breaking the law.
 
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Declan said:
It is more than that. It is stop and frisk, racial profiling/driving while black, etc.
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Have you ever been harassed by a cop?
 
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X Factor said:
Poor Al.
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Ockham said:
Al's a lucky guy that he has Kobie watching his back.
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Gotcha. Cops died, you all don't like Al Sharpton, so somehow that means it's perfectly fine and justified to outright misrepresent and/or lie about what he did/said because...**** al sharpton? Clearly, because cops died, people should be free to say outright falsehoods all they want and not be called on it because Al Sharpton is a piece of ****.

Astounding logic you two seem to be demonstrating.
 
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Tettsuo said:
The movement would not exist if the police weren't killing unarmed citizens.
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Or if people wouldn't grossly over react to two such incidents, representing a minute fraction of total police action in any given day, one of which there's pretty damning evidnece that said "unarmed citizen" was still acting in a legitimately dangerous manner and was attempting to become armed.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Gotcha. Cops died, you all don't like Al Sharpton, so somehow that means it's perfectly fine and justified to outright misrepresent and/or lie about what he did/said because...**** al sharpton? Clearly, because cops died, people should be free to say outright falsehoods all they want and not be called on it because Al Sharpton is a piece of ****.

Astounding logic you two seem to be demonstrating.
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Al Sharpton did say, "“You thought you’d sweep it under the rug. You thought there’d be no limelight,” Sharpton said. “We are going to keep the light on Michael Brown, on Eric Garner, on Tamir Rice, on all of these victims because the only way–I’m sorry, I come out of the ‘hood–the only way you make roaches run, you got to cut the light on.”

It's clear to anyone listening who these 'roaches' were. Al Sharpton Leads March in DC as NYC Protesters Chant: ‘What Do We Want? Dead Cops!’ | American Renaissance
 
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Grant said:
Al Sharpton did say, "“You thought you’d sweep it under the rug. You thought there’d be no limelight,” Sharpton said. “We are going to keep the light on Michael Brown, on Eric Garner, on Tamir Rice, on all of these victims because the only way–I’m sorry, I come out of the ‘hood–the only way you make roaches run, you got to cut the light on.”

It's clear to anyone listening who these 'roaches' were. Al Sharpton Leads March in DC as NYC Protesters Chant: ‘What Do We Want? Dead Cops!’ | American Renaissance
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Well thank you for this random non-sensical response that doesn't actually touch on my post.

You'd have a point if I was arguing that Sharpton didn't do anything to inflame the overall situation regarding the protests and unrest over Garner and Browns death. You'd have a point if I was suggesting Sharpton is a good guy or something other than a blowhard.

However, that wasn't my point. My point was when people are flat out lying or unknowingly repeating factually incorrect information that it's not wrong to call them on that just because the guy being lied about is a piece of crap.

Posters were suggesting that Sharpton called for cops to die and/or led/hosted the rally that had people saying such a thing. Kobie, correctly, called people on that falsehood...and then peopl started giving him a **** because apparently lying about Al Sharpton is okay because Al Sharpton is a jerk.

Nothing you posted in any way shows that the claims about Sharpton weren't false, nor did your post demonstrate why it is a condemnable act to point out said falsehoods.
 
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apdst said:
Unarmed citizens wouldn't be getting killed, if they weren't breaking the law.
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that's not always true. I have seen enough "wrong house" warrant entries in my career
 
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Zyphlin said:
Gotcha. Cops died, you all don't like Al Sharpton, so somehow that means it's perfectly fine and justified to outright misrepresent and/or lie about what he did/said because...**** al sharpton? Clearly, because cops died, people should be free to say outright falsehoods all they want and not be called on it because Al Sharpton is a piece of ****.

Astounding logic you two seem to be demonstrating.
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Poor All isn't getting lied on. He's doing everything he can to fuel the flames.


New York mayor calls for pause in protests after police killings
 
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TurtleDude said:
that's not always true. I have seen enough "wrong house" warrant entries in my career
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Fair enough, but in the case of Garner and Brown, they were breaking the law.

Personally, I've never been hastled by the cops. Want guess why?
 
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apdst said:
Fair enough, but in the case of Garner and Brown, they were breaking the law.

Personally, I've never been hastled by the cops. Want guess why?
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you're a narc?:mrgreen:
 
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apdst said:
Poor All isn't getting lies on. He's doing everything he can to fuel the flames.

New York mayor calls for pause in protests after police killings
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Your link in no way, shape, or form contradicts the fact that people absolutely are either lieing or unknowingly stating false infomraiton about Sharpton.

And thus we continue to see the issue here. The desperate attempt to perpetuate and/or defend the lies, while desperately trying to change the subject. And if people don't just roll over and accept the pathetic attempts to justify and/or continue to lie and just accept the change of subject, then they get attacked for it.

Is Sharpton aggrivating the situation? Absolutely. Whether or not he's aggrivating the situation has jack **** to do with the falsehoods posters were previously saying and that the majority of them have not admitted their error about yet.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Your link in no way, shape, or form contradicts the fact that people absolutely are either lieing or unknowingly stating false infomraiton about Sharpton.

And thus we continue to see the issue here. The desperate attempt to perpetuate and/or defend the lies, while desperately trying to change the subject. And if people don't just roll over and accept the pathetic attempts to justify and/or continue to lie and just accept the change of subject, then they get attacked for it.

Is Sharpton aggrivating the situation? Absolutely. Whether or not he's aggrivating the situation has jack **** to do with the falsehoods posters were previously saying and that the majority of them have not admitted their error about yet.
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It does prove that Sharpton is fanning the crap out of the flames.

Its time you stopped defending him and overlooking the hypocrisy of certain folks and admit that fact.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Gotcha. Cops died, you all don't like Al Sharpton, so somehow that means it's perfectly fine and justified to outright misrepresent and/or lie about what he did/said because...**** al sharpton?
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I think Al's got a very clear record of stoking the fire of racial divide. No I don't like him as my posting history can verify.

Zyphlin said:
Clearly, because cops died, people should be free to say outright falsehoods all they want and not be called on it because Al Sharpton is a piece of ****.

Astounding logic you two seem to be demonstrating.
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Logic has nothing to do with it - the facts are pretty clear. Granted, as I've already posted in other topics, Sharpton's fingerprints cannot be directly found, but the logic you seem to want everyone to believe is the arsonist who sets splashed gasoline and highly combustible materials in the woods is SHOCKED and APPALLED that 3,000 acres of forest were burned to the ground. Yes... astounding logic you have there Zyph.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Your link in no way, shape, or form contradicts the fact that people absolutely are either lieing or unknowingly stating false infomraiton about Sharpton.

And thus we continue to see the issue here. The desperate attempt to perpetuate and/or defend the lies, while desperately trying to change the subject. And if people don't just roll over and accept the pathetic attempts to justify and/or continue to lie and just accept the change of subject, then they get attacked for it.

Is Sharpton aggrivating the situation? Absolutely. Whether or not he's aggrivating the situation has jack **** to do with the falsehoods posters were previously saying and that the majority of them have not admitted their error about yet.
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What exactly are the lies being told about this pillar of society???
 
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Zyphlin said:
My point was when people are flat out lying or unknowingly repeating factually incorrect information that it's not wrong to call them on that just because the guy being lied about is a piece of crap.
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Yes, and you've been belaboring that point for the last several pages. You're a very noble person and we get it.
 
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apdst said:
It does prove that Sharpton is fanning the crap out of the flames.
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Which would be relevant to my post if I was suggesting otherwise.

Its time you stopped defending him and overlooking the hypocrisy of certain folks and admit that fact.
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See, apparently unlike you, I don't abandon principle and standards simply because it's political beneficial.

Sharpton being a scumbag who's contributed to the enflamed situation regarding these two deaths does not mean people should be free to outright lie about him in order to make their point.

Highlighting said lies does not mean I support his enflaming of the situation, nor does it mean I'm defending his enflaming of the situation.

It's possible to be critical of a person, while still dealing in reality.

Sorry that's so difficult for you to do, but that's not my problem.

I've acknowledged repeatedly in this and other threads that Sharpton has contributed to enflaming the situation regarding Garner and Browns deaht.
 
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Ockham said:
I think Al's got a very clear record of stoking the fire of racial divide. No I don't like him as my posting history can verify.
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He absolutely does have a record of stoking racial fires. I don't like him either.

The difference betweeen us it seems is that despite disliking him, I don't think it's wrong, unfair, or worthy of condemnation to call out people who's arguments are based on outright lies simply because I dislike Sharpton.

Logic has nothing to do with it - the facts are pretty clear.
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You would think they are...and yet you've still got posters who have been repeatedly claiming that Al Sharpton called for dead cops, or suggesting that he led/hosted protests with people calling for dead cops.

When the facts show that's absolutely false.
 
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washunut said:
What exactly are the lies being told about this pillar of society???
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That Sharpton stated a desire for....or led/hosted protests with people calling for...dead cops. Specifically in reference to a youtube video of a december 13th protest that was happening in New York City where people were chanting "what do we want, dead cops".
 
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As I've said here and in other threads...

Sharpton is a rabble rousing asshole that is a barnacle on the ass of the black community, showing up whenever there's a chance to self promote and heighten his own persona, and routinely enflaming situations for his own self interest.

I don't like the guy, I generally don't care what the guy says, I think he's an ego centric glory hound that gets far too much attention and given far too much standing by too many people, such as the President.

His promoting of false narratives during this entire ordeal has been ridiculous, and while I respect the fact he has urged against violence and urged against making these protests about peoples "anger", his continued attempts to push this as a massive racial "us vs them" situation has stoked the fires and helped to create the sensationalistic atmosphere surrounding these deaths.

However, as is the case so often on this board and elsewhere, when people can't even attack an easily attackable target without resorting to distortion, misrepresentaiton, and outright lies then it creates a situation where honest debaters have to address said lies. Not because they necessarily support the people those lies or distortions are being said about, but because an honest and legitimate conversation about REALITY can't be had when said discussion is being blanketed by, or built upon a foundation of, outright lies and falsehoods.

Throughout this thread, as well as others, people have repeatedly built abject lies into the foundation of their attacks against Sharpton and their claims of his culpability, and those accusations have to be addressed and dealt with before the foundation can be talked about in a realistic and honest fashion. And thus far only one poster has even acknowledged their error...and even that poster did so in a mocking and sarcastic manner suggesting he didn't even truly acknowledge the error of his claims.

Meanwhile, other posters who haven't made the claim have been attacking and condemning those who are pointing out the lie...indicating that they, if not directly believing said lie, are in favor of said lie being propogated and repeated as part of the basis to attack Sharpton.
 
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