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One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

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Amadeus said:
I think they should do what de Blassio said, and take special care when dealing with police.
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Why should they have to take special care? Are all cops racist?
 
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Amadeus said:
He never said that. De Blasio told his son to take special care when dealing with the police who are there to protect him (almost an exact quote).
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Please provide a quote.
 
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j-mac said:
Why should they have to take special care? Are all cops racist?
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Seriously? Because it's always a good idea to keep in mind that all the power is in their hands. If they want to make your life a living hell they have all the power needed to do it.
 
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apdst said:
Patrick Lynch is one guy and he isn't a police officer, he's a union honcho.

Now, post a quote of NYPD officers saying De Blasio has blood on his hands.
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Patrick Lynch isn't just one guy. He represents the entire NYPD as their union president.
 
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j-mac said:
Please provide a quote.
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De Blasio talks of biracial son after Eric Garner grand jury - NY Daily News

He added, "(Wife) Chirlane and I have had to talk to Dante for years about the danger that he may face … how to take special care in any encounters he has with the police officers who are there to protect him."

De Blasio’s wife, Chirlane McCray, is black, and their children, Chiara and Dante, appeared in his campaign ads during the 2013 race for mayor.
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Amadeus said:
He never said that. De Blasio told his son to take special care when dealing with the police who are there to protect him (almost an exact quote).
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Because of the boy's race.
 
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Amadeus said:
Patrick Lynch isn't just one guy. He represents the entire NYPD as their union president.
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Is a cop? No. Is a member of the NYPD? No.

Now, post a quote of a NYPD officer accusing De Blasio of these murders.
 
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Henrin said:
Seriously? Because it's always a good idea to keep in mind that all the power is in their hands. If they want to make your life a living hell they have all the power needed to do it.
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That's one possible answer, however, I don't think that Amadeus was getting at that, and as usual we have to play twenty questions before we can get a progressive to say what they think...

But to the power thing, I am not saying that there are cops out there that get off on the whole power trip thing, and use it to be total assholes, as with anywhere in life...Hell we are dealing with that even here right? But, to say that the police (a broad brush) are out to unjustly hassle one group of people (blacks) because of the color of their skin, or their religion, or any of the other supposed 'protected classes' in this country is just ridiculous.
 
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Henrin said:
Seriously? Because it's always a good idea to keep in mind that all the power is in their hands. If they want to make your life a living hell they have all the power needed to do it.
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If a cop makes your life a living hell, there's about a 99% chance that its because of something you did.
 
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j-mac said:
Why should they have to take special care? Are all cops racist?
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Blacks are generally seen as being more threatening than any other racial group. Not just by cops, but by many people. Cops, however, are the ones who are most likely to confront blacks. If de Blasio is telling his children to respect a cop and to do as he is told to avoid confrontation, shouldn't you be applauding him? Isn't that what conservative say whenever a black is accidentally choked/shot/killed by police?
 
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apdst said:
Is a cop? No. Is a member of the NYPD? No.

Now, post a quote of a NYPD officer accusing De Blasio of these murders.
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Does Lynch represent the police? Yes or no.

If I'm mistaken, then I'll modify my words.
 
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j-mac said:
Thanks for posting that....Now, tell me if you would, what do you think De Blasio means by this part:

"I have had to talk to Dante for years about the danger that he may face … how to take special care in any encounters he has with the police officers who are there to protect him."
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I've already done that. See above.
 
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Amadeus said:
Blacks are generally seen as being more threatening than any other racial group. Not just by cops, but by many people. Cops, however, are the ones who are most likely to confront blacks. If de Blasio is telling his children to respect a cop and to do as he is told to avoid confrontation, shouldn't you be applauding him? Isn't that what conservative say whenever a black is accidentally choked/shot/killed by police?
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This incident just made things worse. You can thank the hands up folks for this one.
 
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Amadeus said:
Does Lynch represent the police? Yes or no.

If I'm mistaken, then I'll modify my words.
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No, he represents the policeman's labor union.

Now...again...quote a NYC cop accusing De Blasio of these murders.
 
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Amadeus said:
Blacks are generally seen as being more threatening than any other racial group. Not just by cops, but by many people....
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Why do you suppose that is? I don't buy into that btw. I don't discount that others may feel differently, but in my experience, I generally don't fear blacks just because they are black when walking down the street....I may fear gang members, black, white, hispanic, etc. I may fear criminals....but not because they are black. That is a mischaracterization I think.

If de Blasio is telling his children to respect a cop and to do as he is told to avoid confrontation, shouldn't you be applauding him? Isn't that what conservative say whenever a black is accidentally choked/shot/killed by police?
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But that's not what he is saying when he is highlighting, and I quote: "the danger that he may face …" That's not teaching respect, that's teaching fear.
 
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Amadeus said:
I've already done that. See above.
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No, you really didn't, but I give you as much time as you need....
 
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apdst said:
This incident just made things worse. You can thank the hands up folks for this one.
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Don't change the subject. Are you saying that de Blasio shouldn't teach his children how to deal with police officers in an appropriate manner to avoid confrontation?
 
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Amadeus said:
Don't change the subject. Are you saying that de Blasio shouldn't teach his children how to deal with police officers in an appropriate manner to avoid confrontation?
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Last time I checked the subject is: two NYPD cops were murdered by a hands up'er in retrobution for the deaths of Eric Garner and Michael Brown.
 
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Amadeus said:
Don't change the subject. Are you saying that de Blasio shouldn't teach his children how to deal with police officers in an appropriate manner to avoid confrontation?
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Well, first you have to articulate if you think that fearing the police is the correct thing to teach his son, and further if you think that publicizing that message during a time that fed division, and anger aimed at the police was the right thing to do?
 
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j-mac said:
Why do you suppose that is?
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Negative racial stereotypes.

But that's not what he is saying when he is highlighting, and I quote: "the danger that he may face …" That's not teaching respect, that's teaching fear.
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De Blassio also said the police are there to protect him in the same breath.
 
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Amadeus said:
Negative racial stereotypes.
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What effect on those stereotypes did this crime have, ya think? Do you think it will have a very negative impact on the interaction between cops and black folks? Especially when these murders are condoned by some people.
 
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j-mac said:
Well, first you have to articulate if you think that fearing the police is the correct thing to teach his son, and further if you think that publicizing that message during a time that fed division, and anger aimed at the police was the right thing to do?
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Again, he told his son that he may face danger if he deals with the police inappropriately. Something that conservatives generally want black parents to teach their children when dealing with the authorities.

“It’s different for a white child. That’s just the reality in this country,” de Blasio said. “And with Dante, very early on with my son, we said, ‘Look, if a police officer stops you, do everything he tells you to do, don’t move suddenly, don’t reach for your cellphone,’ because we knew, sadly, there’s a greater chance it might be misinterpreted if it was a young man of color.”

There is absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging this reality.
 
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apdst said:
What effect on those stereotypes did this crime have, ya think? Do you think it will have a very negative impact on the interaction between cops and black folks? Especially when these murders are condoned by some people.
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If a lone gunman can upset the relationship between blacks and cops, then it wasn't a very stable relationship to begin with.
 
Amadeus said:
Negative racial stereotypes.



De Blassio also said the police are there to protect him in the same breath.
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Negative racial stereotypes ?

Has the " Hands up dont shoot " crowd done anything to dispel any of those stereotypes ?

No, nothing at all. If anything they've reinforced them.
 
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