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One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle[W:132]

Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

By fairness, you mean the system should be rigged to achieve a desired outcome, at will.

Peaceful, or violent, that's exactly what the protestors want.

By fairness I mean that if there's evidence that the guy broke the law he goes to trial. And to extend that by fairness I mean that the laws themselves are fair and reasonable.
 
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One thing I noticed, the media's need to say this was an actual "revenge killing". Correct me if I am wrong, but this guy was a career criminal who shot his girlfriend and was on the run.

This was "suicide by cop" while trying to make a name for himself, the savage didn't care about the issue.

The guy travelled across a couple of jurisdictions to get to New York specifically to target the NYPD. He didn't target a random white cop (or even a white cop at all), he targeted the NYPD. His status as a repeat offender doesn't negate the impact of his stated motivations.
 
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Didn't take long to rationalize the violence. We knew that was coming, though.

Wasn't my intent. CPWILL corrected me and I wholly accept the correction.

Poorly worded on my part.
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

I stand corrected. Thank you.

:shrug: I can only imagine if my kids were killed. I doubt I would be telegraphing my intentions like that guy did, unless I had followers (as he perhaps does) that I could mobilize. Every parent can sympathize.
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

By fairness I mean that if there's evidence that the guy broke the law he goes to trial. And to extend that by fairness I mean that the laws themselves are fair and reasonable.

The grand jury said that evidence doesn't exist.
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

Sure, back off the racist crap now.

With all due respect, my reference was to a war between the cops and the anti-cop crowd. There are plenty cop haters out there that are not black.

In this particular case YOU are the one perpetuating the idea of a racial bias.
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

With all due respect, my reference was to a war between the cops and the anti-cop crowd. There are plenty cop haters out there that are not black.

In this particular case YOU are the one perpetuating the idea of a racial bias.

So... cop haters are at war with cops. That's your revelation?
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

The grand jury said that evidence doesn't exist.

Yes I know that. The problem is that the Grand Jury system may well be flawed with respect to cops. Since the local DA is the only person who presents evidence to the to Grand Jury and since his presentation has a huge effect on the outcome and finally since the local DA works glove-in-hand with the PD there's an obvious conflict of interest potential here. And again, the almost complete lack of police indictments by GJ in NY, given a near 100% success rate for non police indictments should tell you something.

Honestly police investigations should be done a special prosecutor, probably state appointed. At the very least it would put to bed any idea that bad cops are given a pass by their buddies in the DAs office.
 
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So... cop haters are at war with cops. That's your revelation?

I thought that my words were pretty clear.

Well, mother****ers, if you really wanted to start a war this is the way to do it.

Do you see that "if" statement? That's an indication that a war has not yet begun but continued actions along the lines of those being discussed will likely lead to a war.
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

Yes I know that. The problem is that the Grand Jury system may well be flawed with respect to cops. Since the local DA is the only person who presents evidence to the to Grand Jury and since his presentation has a huge effect on the outcome and finally since the local DA works glove-in-hand with the PD there's an obvious conflict of interest potential here. And again, the almost complete lack of police indictments by GJ in NY, given a near 100% success rate for non police indictments should tell you something.

Honestly police investigations should be done a special prosecutor, probably state appointed. At the very least it would put to bed any idea that bad cops are given a pass by their buddies in the DAs office.

So, you want to deny police officers their constutional rights?
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

I thought that my words were pretty clear.



Do you see that "if" statement? That's an indication that a war has not yet begun but continued actions along the lines of those being discussed will likely lead to a war.

Who are the "mother****ers"? If it's "cop haters", their war is already on (as obvious by their label) - so no one is starting anything.

Are you telling us cop haters have not been at war with cops and this crazy person marks the beginning of the cop hater vs. cops war? That's nonsense.
 
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So, you want to deny police officers their constutional rights?

How did you get that out of my post? A special prosecutor doesn't deny the cops their rights.
 
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How did you get that out of my post? A special prosecutor doesn't deny the cops their rights.

That's exactly what it does. It violates a cop's right to equal protection under the law.
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

That's exactly what it does. It violates a cop's right to equal protection under the law.


How does a special prosecutor - someone who simply has no ties to the local law enforcement machine - violate a cop's rights?
 
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How does a special prosecutor - someone who simply has no ties to the local law enforcement machine - violate a cop's rights?

"separate but equal"
 
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"separate but equal"

Assuming your disagreeing with my point you really need to say "how."

Special prosecutors get commissioned all the time: locally, at the state level and federally. They are typically done when for whatever reason the normal prosecutor or investigative agency cannot do the job.
There has never been on court opinion ever that has stated that special prosecutors by and of themselves violate anyone's rights.

So again tell me how anyone's rights are being violated.
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

How does a special prosecutor - someone who simply has no ties to the local law enforcement machine - violate a cop's rights?

Who appoints the special prosecuted? Bill De Blasio? Yeah, he would get a fair shake like that.
 
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Who appoints the special prosecuted? Bill De Blasio? Yeah, he would get a fair shake like that.

Do you believe cops get a fair shake currently?
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

Assuming your disagreeing with my point you really need to say "how."

Special prosecutors get commissioned all the time: locally, at the state level and federally. They are typically done when for whatever reason the normal prosecutor or investigative agency cannot do the job.
There has never been on court opinion ever that has stated that special prosecutors by and of themselves violate anyone's rights.

So again tell me how anyone's rights are being violated.

I'm illuminating the ease in which leftists decide which Americans are deserving of Constitutional protections, and which Americans aren't.

Business owners. No
Christians. No
the evil rich. No

Now we can add law enforcement officers to that list.
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

I'm illuminating the ease in which leftists decide which Americans are deserving of Constitutional protections, and which Americans aren't.

Business owners. No
Christians. No
the evil rich. No

Now we can add law enforcement officers to that list.

One - I'm not a leftist.

Two - How are their constitutional protections being violated?
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

Are you talking about Daily Kos using a bullseye to let their moonbats know to vote against Giffords?

of course you're not....because you're still peddling that same old "palin caused it" nonsense...

and isn't it interesting, too, that a leftist would bring that up....considering that the same leftist garbage who immediately tried to blamed Palin for Gifford's shooting (and the "Tea Party" for James Holmes) are doing backflips trying to pretend their, Obama's, Holder's, Sharpton's, De Blasio's and other assorted leftist race/class agitators hands are completely clean in these executions.

You sir or ma'am are a disgusting pig.

I'm NOT blaming Palin. I'm simply pointing out that the same people tripping over each other to absolve right-wing politicians and their "second amendment solutions" are queuing up en masse to play Blame That Liberal. Rank hypocrisy at its finest.
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

One - I'm not a leftist.

Two - How are their constitutional protections being violated?

They're not. The entire premise is ludicrous.
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

The guy travelled across a couple of jurisdictions to get to New York specifically to target the NYPD. He didn't target a random white cop (or even a white cop at all), he targeted the NYPD. His status as a repeat offender doesn't negate the impact of his stated motivations.


I'm not saying that, I'm saying the savage wanted to be a martyr. He cowardly attacked and killed these cops to make a name for himself but his catylyst I believe (though I may be hearing that he wasn't running? that would change my opinion) was shooting his girlfriend and being on the run.
 
Re: One NYPD Cop Dead, Another Critical After They Were Shot in Vehicle

The shooter said it was revenge for Garner and Brown.

When did he say this? Was he interrogated by ouija board?
 
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