Deceased Woman Wants Dog Killed, Buried With Her

[Brother AJ]

http://6abc.com/439894/

Bela is currently being held at an animal shelter while the estate decides what to do. Volunteers are trying to stop the euthanization, even offering to pay to find the dog a new home. But Lay's attorney says that's against his client's wishes.

Legal analysts say the idea isn't entirely uncommon or illegal.

"Animals are considered property and that's what the point of a will is to dispose of property upon one's death. You have that conflicting though with rules that say you have to treat animals humanely," said legal analyst Mike Allen.

Good gawd, how selfish can you get huh? What a ****ed up world we live in where something like this is legal.

 

[beefheart]

I'd rather have the dog die before her, and then put her to death.

 

[DA60]

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Good gawd, how selfish can you get huh? What a ****ed up world we live in where something like this is legal.

So the fact that dozens of children in Pakistan got massacred...the fact that millions of children die every year from preventable illnesses/conditions...the endless wars that seem to accomplish nothing and bring untold misery to innocent people...none of this seems to register with you enough to start a thread.

But harm one dog and you are outraged (and no doubt you are not alone).

That's what's wrong with the world. Millions are suffering and no one give's a sh!t. Kill one dog - everyone freaks out.


That's the thing you gotta remember about WASPs. They love animals, but they can't stand people.

Gordon Gekko


BTW - I hope they don't kill the dog...and my guess is they won't.

 

[Crovax]

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Good gawd, how selfish can you get huh? What a ****ed up world we live in where something like this is legal.

Imagine how ****ed up the world would be if a person could kill a child they didnt want... oh wait

 

[AJiveMan]

That didn't take long.

 

[molten_dragon]

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Good gawd, how selfish can you get huh? What a ****ed up world we live in where something like this is legal.

Well, they're not exactly sure whether it's legal yet. That's what the court has to decide.

Personally, I think they're all being stupid, when there's a very simple solution to the problem. All the dead lady wants is for the dog's ashes to be mixed with hers. So just let one of the numerous people who volunteered to adopt the dog do it, under the condition that when it dies naturally, it will be cremated and the ashes mixed with the original owners. Problem solved.

 

[Ahlevah]

Connie Lay's will gives two options for her German Shepard, Bela, WXIX-TV reports. Option one is for the dog to be killed and the ashes mixed with hers.

The second option is to send Bela to Best Friends Animal Society in Utah. It's the largest no-kill animal sanctuary in the country, but Lay's attorney says her estate doesn't have the cash to make that happen.

So give the dog lovers an opportunity to raise money to send the dog to Utah or drive it there themselves. How much can it cost to pile a dog into a car and drive it from Indiana, especially with the price of gas dropping on a daily basis? :roll:

 

[Brochacholomigo]

I'd rather have the dog die before her, and then put her to death.

And bury her with it?

 

[radcen]

Well, they're not exactly sure whether it's legal yet. That's what the court has to decide.

Personally, I think they're all being stupid, when there's a very simple solution to the problem. All the dead lady wants is for the dog's ashes to be mixed with hers. So just let one of the numerous people who volunteered to adopt the dog do it, under the condition that when it dies naturally, it will be cremated and the ashes mixed with the original owners. Problem solved.

Agreed. It can be this easy.

But we're humans, so it probably won't be.

 

[Ahlevah]

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Good gawd, how selfish can you get huh? What a ****ed up world we live in where something like this is legal.

I think maybe we're misreading her motives. In her will, she provides two options. In one, the dog is euthanized, just as millions of dogs are every year by humane societies around the country. In the second option, the dog is to be sent to a sanctuary that specifically does not euthanize dogs. That seemed curious. So I can only speculate that she did this because she loved the animal so much that she wanted to ensure that if the dog survived her it would be treated humanely. She probably felt she would have no such assurance otherwise.

 

[AJiveMan]

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Good gawd, how selfish can you get huh? What a ****ed up world we live in where something like this is legal.

Dang, if I were in the same situation, and able to communicate, I'd ask my closest next of kin or friend if they would take care of my friend after I'm gone, the wish of this one does seem awfully selfish.

 

[herenow1]

So the fact that dozens of children in Pakistan got massacred...the fact that millions of children die every year from preventable illnesses/conditions...the endless wars that seem to accomplish nothing and bring untold misery to innocent people...none of this seems to register with you enough to start a thread.

But harm one dog and you are outraged (and no doubt you are not alone).

That's what's wrong with the world. Millions are suffering and no one give's a sh!t. Kill one dog - everyone freaks out.


That's the thing you gotta remember about WASPs. They love animals, but they can't stand people.

Gordon Gekko


BTW - I hope they don't kill the dog...and my guess is they won't.

Some people are crazy about their pets, spending a bunch of money on organic food bc dog food just isn't good enough. Letting them sleep in their bed, beg for food, let them lick their mouth, laugh when they bark and growl at them etc. I own pets but they are pets... Just pets!

 

[paddymcdougall]

So give the dog lovers an opportunity to raise money to send the dog to Utah or drive it there themselves. How much can it cost to pile a dog into a car and drive it from Indiana, especially with the price of gas dropping on a daily basis? :roll:

Exactly - to expand on what you quoted -

The second option is to send Bela to Best Friends Animal Society in Utah. It's the largest no-kill animal sanctuary in the country, but Lay's attorney says her estate doesn't have the cash to make that happen.

Bela is currently being held at an animal shelter while the estate decides what to do. Volunteers are trying to stop the euthanization, even offering to pay to find the dog a new home. But Lay's attorney says that's against his client's wishes.

So if volunteers will pay for a new home, why don't they pay to send Bela to Utah? I'm not sure if the shelter has room for Bela, but hopefully they do. And then the shelter can find a home for the dog.

 

[joko104]

I think maybe we're misreading her motives. In her will, she provides two options. In one, the dog is euthanized, just as millions of dogs are every year by humane societies around the country. In the second option, the dog is to be sent to a sanctuary that specifically does not euthanize dogs. That seemed curious. So I can only speculate that she did this because she loved the animal so much that she wanted to ensure that if the dog survived her it would be treated humanely. She probably felt she would have no such assurance otherwise.

Sounds reasonable to me. She doesn't want the dog just put out on the street. If the dog is given to an animal shelter, they'll end up euthanizing it anyway as older dogs are rarely adopted. Obviously the woman cared greatly for this dog.

 

[jimbo]

Well, they're not exactly sure whether it's legal yet. That's what the court has to decide.

Personally, I think they're all being stupid, when there's a very simple solution to the problem. All the dead lady wants is for the dog's ashes to be mixed with hers. So just let one of the numerous people who volunteered to adopt the dog do it, under the condition that when it dies naturally, it will be cremated and the ashes mixed with the original owners. Problem solved.

Since thousands of animals get put down daily without any justification needed, I'd guess that there is nothing illegal about it.

But your solution is an obvious and a good one. Surely a person on a trip to eternity could wait a couple of years for her dog to join her.

 

[countryboy]

So the fact that dozens of children in Pakistan got massacred...the fact that millions of children die every year from preventable illnesses/conditions...the endless wars that seem to accomplish nothing and bring untold misery to innocent people...none of this seems to register with you enough to start a thread.

But harm one dog and you are outraged (and no doubt you are not alone).

That's what's wrong with the world. Millions are suffering and no one give's a sh!t. Kill one dog - everyone freaks out.


That's the thing you gotta remember about WASPs. They love animals, but they can't stand people.

Gordon Gekko


BTW - I hope they don't kill the dog...and my guess is they won't.

Soooo, using a false quote from a fictional character is somehow supposed to be convincing? Lame.


“You underestimate the power of the dark side”

Darth Vader






:roll:

 

[Brother AJ]

So the fact that dozens of children in Pakistan got massacred...the fact that millions of children die every year from preventable illnesses/conditions...the endless wars that seem to accomplish nothing and bring untold misery to innocent people...none of this seems to register with you enough to start a thread.

But harm one dog and you are outraged (and no doubt you are not alone).

That's what's wrong with the world. Millions are suffering and no one give's a sh!t. Kill one dog - everyone freaks out.


That's the thing you gotta remember about WASPs. They love animals, but they can't stand people.

Gordon Gekko


BTW - I hope they don't kill the dog...and my guess is they won't.

WTF?! Have you heard of the relative privation fallacy? Because you're committing it.

Fallacy of relative privation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fallacy of relative privation, or appeal to bigger problems, is an informal fallacy in which it is suggested an opponent's arguments should be dismissed or ignored, on the grounds of there existing more important problems, despite these issues being often completely unrelated to the subject at hand.[1]

A well-known example of this fallacy is the response "but there are children starving in Africa," with the implication that any issue less serious is not worthy of discussion; or the saying "I used to lament having no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet."

All of what you brought up is important and worth discussing, but that doesn't mean this dog's predicament is suddenly meaningless. Stop derailing the thread please.

Imagine how ****ed up the world would be if a person could kill a child they didnt want... oh wait

Same goes for you.

Well, they're not exactly sure whether it's legal yet. That's what the court has to decide.

Personally, I think they're all being stupid, when there's a very simple solution to the problem. All the dead lady wants is for the dog's ashes to be mixed with hers. So just let one of the numerous people who volunteered to adopt the dog do it, under the condition that when it dies naturally, it will be cremated and the ashes mixed with the original owners. Problem solved.

Yes, but the fact that it's even a QUESTION is certainly a problem.

Some people are crazy about their pets, spending a bunch of money on organic food bc dog food just isn't good enough. Letting them sleep in their bed, beg for food, let them lick their mouth, laugh when they bark and growl at them etc. I own pets but they are pets... Just pets!

This is not "crazy", it's showing these animals love. Love which these beings deserve. I feel sorry for your "pets".

 

[molten_dragon]

Yes, but the fact that it's even a QUESTION is certainly a problem.

The dog was her property, and she specified what she wanted done with that property in her will. Why shouldn't it be a question? I don't agree that the dog should be euthanized, especially if people are willing to look after it, but that's the way the laws are written.

 

[Brother AJ]

The dog was her property, and she specified what she wanted done with that property in her will. Why shouldn't it be a question? I don't agree that the dog should be euthanized, especially if people are willing to look after it, but that's the way the laws are written.

Well apparently you think it shouldn't be questioned if you don't agree? I understand that this is the way the laws are written, but the legality of something is not justification enough. I feel that other animals being property is incredibly unjust in general.

 

[AJiveMan]

Some people are crazy about their pets, spending a bunch of money on organic food bc dog food just isn't good enough. Letting them sleep in their bed, beg for food, let them lick their mouth, laugh when they bark and growl at them etc. I own pets but they are pets... Just pets!

Some people are obviously not as close to their "pets" or "dogs" as some, like me.

His food bowl always has a supply of Kibbles n Bits - it's the only dry food he likes enough to eat (okay- now he's spoiled- right?)

His water bowl is always full of fresh clean water - more than most dogs get being chained to a tree or a crappy dog house outside.

He is my shadow, ever present, next to me nearly 24/7/365. No French kisses unless by accident. In the evening when I lie down to sleep, he comes along beside me, I give him the belly rub, ear massage, he roots the blankets on the bed and snorts and wrestles a bit, comes close to by ear and licks my ear ever so gently - kisses, then he lies next to my legs nearly all night long, in bed.

yes, he's more, much more than a pet, he is my companion by day and night, and he watches and listens constantly, always on alert to let me know when cars, people, or anything else is not normal as it should be, yes, we are close, very close.

when I talk to him, I think he understands what I'm saying, but, only one or two words at a time, so he understands the meaning of the message I'm giving him.

no, he never needs to beg or do tricks for a treat, he doesn't need to roll over, or to speak, he get's his treats after the people eat their dinner, he thinks he's getting what we had to eat, but don't tell him that, he doesn't know any different.

a friend for life.

 

[paddymcdougall]

Some people are obviously not as close to their "pets" or "dogs" as some, like me.

His food bowl always has a supply of Kibbles n Bits - it's the only dry food he likes enough to eat (okay- now he's spoiled- right?)

His water bowl is always full of fresh clean water - more than most dogs get being chained to a tree or a crappy dog house outside.

He is my shadow, ever present, next to me nearly 24/7/365. No French kisses unless by accident. In the evening when I lie down to sleep, he comes along beside me, I give him the belly rub, ear massage, he roots the blankets on the bed and snorts and wrestles a bit, comes close to by ear and licks my ear ever so gently - kisses, then he lies next to my legs nearly all night long, in bed.

yes, he's more, much more than a pet, he is my companion by day and night, and he watches and listens constantly, always on alert to let me know when cars, people, or anything else is not normal as it should be, yes, we are close, very close.

when I talk to him, I think he understands what I'm saying, but, only one or two words at a time, so he understands the meaning of the message I'm giving him.

no, he never needs to beg or do tricks for a treat, he doesn't need to roll over, or to speak, he get's his treats after the people eat their dinner, he thinks he's getting what we had to eat, but don't tell him that, he doesn't know any different.

a friend for life.

Good on you, mate! (as the ozzies say)

We got dogs once we started working from home. They are amazing. Right now, one of them is having some health issues; when I take her to the vet her brother just howls. My husband stays with him, but the brother hates having his pack separated. We do try to be with them as much as possible and to take good care of them because they bring so much joy to us.

I think we have the health issues under control; I hope so. We don't want to lose her.

It would be so much harder if we went to work every day and left them. I'm glad we're able to be with them; I know not everyone can.

So yea for you, taking such good care of your friend!

and now one of mine is saying it's dinner time... I best go!

 

[EnigmaO01]

So give the dog lovers an opportunity to raise money to send the dog to Utah or drive it there themselves. How much can it cost to pile a dog into a car and drive it from Indiana, especially with the price of gas dropping on a daily basis? :roll:

Oh jeeze this is Indiana? No wonder. :roll:

 

[Ahlevah]

So if volunteers will pay for a new home, why don't they pay to send Bela to Utah? I'm not sure if the shelter has room for Bela, but hopefully they do. And then the shelter can find a home for the dog.

Apparently it's a sanctuary, so if the dog can get there it could live out its life there.

 

[Paleocon]

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Good gawd, how selfish can you get huh? What a ****ed up world we live in where something like this is legal.

This is what liberals have brought us with their idea that people should be allowed to do whatever they want. It should not be legal to mix human and animal ashes.

 

[Kobie]

This is what liberals have brought us with their idea that people should be allowed to do whatever they want. It should not be legal to mix human and animal ashes.

Why on earth not?