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U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

So, nothing we need and nothing in significant amount in the way of resources. And not at all isolationist, just not choosing for once to open trade relations with a dictatorship when we don't have to.

Again, there is absolutely no good reason to change what has been the status quo.
even though the status quo was getting us exactly nowhere for 54 years.
 
even though the status quo was getting us exactly nowhere for 54 years.

Nope, although I do recall the last time an olive branch was provided to the Cuban regime by Clinton it wound up with a Brother's to the Rescue plane shot down. They tend to like the US being an antagonist to them. I agree something different could be tried, but that regime is as corrupt as pretty much every other socialist/communist government in the Caribbean and South America is. And it has a tourism industry where money only really benefits the government.
 
This is going to slam the critical tourist income of many of our friendly island territories and friends.

Another of Obama's "Reward your enemies and punish your friends" agenda.

Has any benefit to the USA or anyone else but the Cuban government and possibly Cubans even been suggested by Obama? No, just another of his guilt tripping apologizing for the existence of the United States to the rest of the world - and punishing Americans for it.

Puerto Ricans and US. Virgin Islanders aren't just "friends," they're family. Anyone born there is just as much an American as someone born in Cincinnati or Seattle.
 
Heya Grant. :2wave: Whats funny is how BO Peep said Assad and Gadhafi had to go. Step down. All for doing the same thing that the Castros have been doing for 50 some years. Remember how the left was so emotionally torn over the fact that they could kill their own people. Go after protestors and demonstrators. Political Opponents and Rivals. Check out some of the threads with our main leftists characters here. Quite a different tune then.....huh?
If Castro called himself a Fascist rather than a Communist the Leftists would be all over this guy like a cheap brown sweater. But because he is a Communist dictator the Left, including Obama of course, gives him a pass.

Jon Gruber was too kind to these feeble minded idiots.
 
"WHAT", no need to show how emotional you get...... Its not disingenuous at all. But it is BO peep playing hypocrite. Assad and Gadhafi were engaged in Mass extermination Campaigns????? Now that is some funny ****. Did you forget the Castros have been into mass extermination and have been doing it longer than both Assad and Gadhafi. Was there some reason you forgot to add that in when doing all that Naught and Naught you are into.

Do you have some validation of these Mass extermination campaigns they were running. Where is this Proof. Oh and again how was Gadhafi destabilizing a whole region? Same with Assad.....since they were the stability until some Rebel/Terrorists came along in both cases.

Do you know anything about Foreign affairs.....or do you just try and make **** up on the fly-by? :roll:

They don't talk to Cuban people who've escaped and they don't read. https://books.google.ca/books?id=zQ...ple killed trying to escape from cuba&f=false
 
Nope, although I do recall the last time an olive branch was provided to the Cuban regime by Clinton it wound up with a Brother's to the Rescue plane shot down.

Do Cuban planes have a right to enter US airspace without permission?
 
Probably the politicians who were unwilling to address the issue of normal relations with Cuba,
Probably? The pathetic US President called Cuba "isolated" which is either stupid or a lie or both. The fact is that Cuba can trade with South America, Europe, Asia, Canada, Mexico, and anywhere else in the world except the US and, i believe, the Marshall Islands. So how does that make Cuba "isolated"?

And why don't the Europeans, etc. invest in Cuba? Because it is simply not a good place to invest. Those type of questions can be asked until the truth eventually becomes clear.

So what has the US to gain and what do the people of Cuba have to gain from Obama's pronouncement? Nada. It will be the Castro clique who gains and no one else. As always.
 
You may want to familiarize yourself with the history.

Oh, you mean your revisionist history?

1996 shootdown of Brothers to the Rescue planes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Their report concluded that the authorities in Cuba had notified the authorities in the United States of multiple violations of their airspace since May 1994.[3] In at least one case (13 July 1995), the pilot had released leaflets over Havana. The United States authorities had issued public statements advising of the potential consequences of unauthorized entry into Cuban airspace and had initiated legal actions against Basulto, but had retained his certification to fly during appeal. After Basulto was warned by an FAA official about the possibility of being shot down, he replied, "You must understand I have a mission in life to perform", disregarding the potential danger involved.[4] He would later say he considered the group's activities to be acts of civil disobedience against the regime, and a demonstration that such disobedience was possible.[4]

According to Roque, Basulto had dropped the leaflets from 10 miles north of Havana, not the stated 12 miles, from a high altitude on a day when the winds would carry them south toward Cuba. Specifically, in a Cuban television interview days after the shootdown took place, Roque, from within Cuba, stated, "I personally have violated air space, specifically the last was on January 9, 1996, where I got a call the day before to participate in a flight to Havana where thousands of leaflets were going to be released from a height of more than 9,500 feet at a distance of less than 10 miles from the coast."

All investigators have agreed that at least one of the planes did penetrate Cuban airspace that day; the dispute is over the location of shootdown.

Brothers to the Rescue had violated Cuban airspace various times, they did so the day of the shotdown, and paid for it. As an American, I'd expect my government to do the same if a Cuban plane violated American airspace without permission multiple times and paid no attention to the Cuban government's warnings of possible repercussions if they kept doing it. :shrug:
 
Probably? The pathetic US President called Cuba "isolated" which is either stupid or a lie or both. The fact is that Cuba can trade with South America, Europe, Asia, Canada, Mexico, and anywhere else in the world except the US and, i believe, the Marshall Islands. So how does that make Cuba "isolated"?

And why don't the Europeans, etc. invest in Cuba? Because it is simply not a good place to invest. Those type of questions can be asked until the truth eventually becomes clear.

So what has the US to gain and what do the people of Cuba have to gain from Obama's pronouncement? Nada. It will be the Castro clique who gains and no one else. As always.

and what, then, do you think the "Castro clique" will gain from this?
 
Oh, you mean your revisionist history?
What revisionist history?
Brothers to the Rescue had violated Cuban airspace various times, they did so the day of the shotdown, and paid for it. As an American, I'd expect my government to do the same if a Cuban plane violated American airspace without permission multiple times and paid no attention to the Cuban government's warnings of possible repercussions if they kept doing it. :shrug:
Leftists shrugged when the Communist shot down the civilian KAL 007 also. The doctrine comes before human lives.
 
Seems to be the trend... For what it's worth I don't feel the embargo was effective, but mostly because Cuba had other venues to get their benefits from besides the US. They're built on a heavy tourism industry which comes largely from other countries and that's one thing that hasn't changed since the Castro's took a foothold. They have luxurious resorts that welcome foreigners yet bar citizens from attending unless of course they work there for meager salaries. And the money goes to a corrupt regime, I do not see that changing with our relationship which really puts to question what sort of change people are expecting. I can tell you right off that normalizing relations with China and Vietnam hasn't converted them to democracies.

I do agree the US is hypocritical in those it does business with but then again, I'd like to see outsourcing made economically unfeasible so we aren't benefiting these communist countries the way we already do. Plus I suspect most people arguing for normalizing relations with Cuba don't don't have a whole lot of perspective with Cubans who personally experienced the government's policies there. The polls are reflecting a shift in Cuban-Americans opinions but the split in that is divided between the younger generations of Cubans and the older ones who fled Cuba when Castro gained power,
 
What revisionist history?
Leftists shrugged when the Communist shot down the civilian KAL 007 also. The doctrine comes before human lives.

Trying hard to conflate issues? Was KAL 007 responsible for multiple violations into Russian territory?
 
Trying hard to conflate issues? Was KAL 007 responsible for multiple violations into Russian territory?
I already got your point. Killing civilians is okay in order to protect a communist regime. Right?
 
I already got your point. Killing civilians is okay in order to protect a communist regime. Right?

Killing civilians to protect a regime? I didn't know the US was a communist regime. :lol: You're being hyperbolic now because you can't really post any of this so called history I should learn. Civilians don't get to complain if they unlawfully enter restricted airspace. They were warned by both the Cuban government and US government about their continued violations of international law. They refused to abide by those warnings, continued breaking international law and were shot down over it. I have no problem with any government doing this to any plane that continues to violate its airspace. Do you believe communists should get to fly into US airspace multiple times without regard for US sovereignty?
 
Or left loopholes in an Embargo.....huh? :2wave:

This is an ineresting timeline regarding Cuba. https://books.google.ca/books?id=r4... and mental patients out of hospitals&f=false

It get's really comical on May 5th when Jimmy Carter (who is Isaac Newton to BHO) welcomes all these newcomers with his toothy, self-satisfied, grin. Then watch the grin fade as the reality of the sense of betrayal by someone, as a fellow leftist who understood the innate evil of America, he knew and trusted..

It seems time for Castro to send another few boatloads over.
 
Killing civilians to protect a regime? I didn't know the US was a communist regime. :lol: You're being hyperbolic now because you can't really post any of this so called history I should learn. Civilians don't get to complain if they unlawfully enter restricted airspace. They were warned by both the Cuban government and US government about their continued violations of international law. They refused to abide by those warnings, continued breaking international law and were shot down over it. I have no problem with any government doing this to any plane that continues to violate its airspace.

Right. You have no problem. I said I got it.
 
Right. You have no problem. I said I got it.

Your hyperbole and dishonesty are noted. However, all it shows is that you'd be perfectly fine with a foreign organization violating US airspace. :shrug:
 
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