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U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

Erod said:
It has held Cuba in control perfectly.
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Heya Erod. :2wave: Sure it did.


But if you want to see how much BO Peep is the Feckless Hypocrite. Look up what he had to say about Assad and Gadhafi.

Note how Castro has done the very same things.....that Assad and Gadhafi have been accused of. What was BO peeps words? They had to go Right?

Didn't BO peep call for Assad to step down? For Gadhafi to step down.

What happened here with Cuba and the Castro Brothers? "What"......no call from BO Peep for them to step down? My, my, my.....hows BO peep looking now?
 
JasperL said:
That's the idea - that it's far harder for a totalitarian regime to maintain that system in the face of freer markets and engagement with free economies. And we haven't normalized relations - we've taken ONE step, with lots more carrots to hand out or not depending on what happens in Cuba.

But, again, hate to keep mentioning this, but 'Will continuing a policy that's failed for 55 years finally succeed in perhaps 60 years, or 75 years?"

If this was 1960 or 1970 and we could still hold out some hope we'd pressure them through economic means to change their ways, great. But it's 2014. We tried, that way failed. Maybe move on to something different? RADICAL IDEA!!!
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You seem to forget that the Cuba sanctions were first ignored mainly by Russia who is now too broke to care, and then by Venezuela who is now too broke too care. Perhaps, in a few more decades, and after much US aid, we will see the Cuban per capita income rise by over 300% to approach that of Puerto Rico, the great US success story in that part of the world.

U.S. Quadruples Aid To Puerto Rico To Help Struggling Island's Poor Pay Power Bills | Fox News Latino
 
vesper said:
Really?
From the first paragraph of the link I provided explaining the Communist Party of China...

"The Chinese Communist Party's more than 80m-strong membership makes it the biggest political party in the world. Its tight organisation and ruthlessness help explain why it is also still in power.

The party oversees and influences many aspects of people's lives - what they learn at school and watch on TV, even the number of children they are allowed.

It is made up largely of government officials, army officers, farmers, model workers and employees of state-owned companies.

It is unrepresentative of China as a whole. Only a quarter of its members are women, for example. It is also obsessive about control, regularly showing itself capable of great brutality in suppressing dissent or any challenge to its authority. "

Basic definition of Communism- a way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property.

I'm sure you will find since the take over of the Communist Party in 1949, almost all lands are now either government owned or collectivities.

They are a Communist country.
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They can not be a communist country and at the same time be a capitalist country.

The two ideologies are not compatible. Either the government owns everything, or it does not. in capitalism, it does not.
 
MMC said:
Oh Sure Ttwtt :2wave: You know with this cream of the crop of lefties. Its all Kumbaya and emphasizing with the enemy.
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It surely worked well with China - freedom and human rights broke out all over inside China with ever expanding US trade deals, China now exceeds the US as the #1 world economy (see Walmart shelves) and they pose no military threat at all. ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It surely worked well with China - freedom and human rights broke out all over inside China with ever expanding US trade deals, China now exceeds the US as the #1 world economy (see Walmart shelves) and they pose no military threat at all. ;)
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With the Soviet Union dead and gone, with Russia no longer able to buy up Cuba's sugar crop at inflated prices, with oil prices having tanked and Venezuela on the brink of default, unable to ship free oil to Cuba indefinitely, the Castro brothers were staring into the abyss.

Marxist ideology, the political religion in which the regime is rooted, is a dead faith. The world communist revolution was a god that failed. It is over, finished. Outside of North Korea and Cuba, who preaches that Marxism-Leninism is the future toward which mankind is heading? Who still believes that?
 
MMC said:
Sure it could be changed. Sure we can just forget all that anyone does, Right. Even if they are were acting against us and even in killing Americans, Right? Just give that a pass to. Do you like playing Mr Rogers with an enemy?

I mean afterall. The civilian Americans killed by Cuba.....was on that Democrat's watch. Notice how nothing came of it. How that usually happens when Democrats are in power. Why do you think that is?

Is there some reason you keep forgetting what makes up their inherent flaws on Purpose?
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"civilian Americans killed by Cuba" refers to ???
 
MMC said:
2 American Civilian Planes shot down in 96 killing 4 Americans.
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OK, I cut and pasted the above into the Google window, and immediately came up with:


this
I. SUMMARY

1. On 25 February 1996, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (hereinafter “the Commission” or “the Inter-American Commission”) received several complaints brought against the Republic of Cuba (hereinafter “the State,” “the Cuban State,” or “Cuba”) according to which a MiG-29 military aircraft belonging to the Cuban Air Force (FAC) downed two unarmed civilian light airplanes belonging to the organization “Brothers to the Rescue.”[1] According to a report issued by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), the incidents occurred on 24 February 1996 at 3:21 p.m. and 3:27 p.m., respectively, in international airspace. The air-to-air missiles fired by the MiG-29 destroyed the civilian light aircraft, immediately killing Armando Alejandre Jr. (45 years old), Carlos Alberto Costa (29), Mario Manuel de la Peña (24), and Pablo Morales (29). The complaint concludes with the Commission being requested to begin proceedings in accordance with Articles 32 et seq. of its Regulations and to declare Cuba responsible for failing to comply with its international obligations contained in the American Declaration of the Rights and Duties of Man (hereinafter “the Declaration” or “the American Declaration”) for violating the right to life and the right to a fair trial as set forth in Articles I and XVIII of said international instrument.
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and this:

Iran Air Flight 655 was an Iran Air civilian passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai. On 3 July 1988, the aircraft operating this route was shot down by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes. The incident took place in Iranian airspace, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, and on the flight's usual flight path. The aircraft, an Airbus A300 B2-203, was destroyed by SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles fired from Vincennes.
All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, died.[1] This event ranks seventh among the deadliest disasters in aviation history,
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I don't see what the rush is all about. This benefits the US how? It's not like Cuba is some resource haven or a land of eternal beauty.
 
clownboy said:
I don't see what the rush is all about. This benefits the US how? It's not like Cuba is some resource haven or a land of eternal beauty.
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Rush?

It's been over 50 years now, and 23 since the demise of the Soviet Union. Seems like enough time to me.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Rush?

It's been over 50 years now, and 23 since the demise of the Soviet Union. Seems like enough time to me.
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Enough time for what?
you can't have countries seizing Americans' property with impunity.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Rush?

It's been over 50 years now, and 23 since the demise of the Soviet Union. Seems like enough time to me.
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That falls under so? Again where do we benefit from changing that status? We have nothing to gain. They still have not changed their government. These are not our friends.
 
Dittohead not! said:
OK, I cut and pasted the above into the Google window, and immediately came up with:


this


and this:
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As usual lets us show how the US did the same thing huh? That's the spirit. Good job, I knew you could show how we are one of the worst things to ever happen to planet earth. We back **** that the Castro brothers are into. Just think you get to say you are a part of that. How ya feeling now?

Its not like it wasn't any secret or something. Of course, Iran has put down several revolutions for Democracy to. Killing and torturing people. Is that okay too?

We can see how those being killed and tortured in Cuba relates to such an incident with the US and Iran. Quite a comparison. But then Now guess what.....you get to come back with the US has tortured to, huh?
 
joG said:
Enough time for what?
you can't have countries seizing Americans' property with impunity.
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Our own government seizes American's property with impunity, but then, that's another issue. So, how long should we wait to recognize Cuba? It's been 54 years now. Is 60 years long enough? A hundred? When?
 
MMC said:
As usual lets us show how the US did the same thing huh? That's the spirit. Good job, I knew you could show how we are one of the worst things to ever happen to planet earth. We back **** that the Castro brothers are into. Just think you get to say you are a part of that. How ya feeling now?

Its not like it wasn't any secret or something. Of course, Iran has put down several revolutions for Democracy to. Killing and torturing people. Is that okay too?

We can see how those being killed and tortured in Cuba relates to such an incident with the US and Iran. Quite a comparison. But then Now guess what.....you get to come back with the US has tortured to, huh?
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I suppose. Is the problem with Cuba, then, that they're so much like the US? I mean, shooting down passenger planes, torturing prisoners, seizing American property (Jog's post) is that our job?
 
Jack Hays said:
I've been in favor of normalized relations for 20 years. The Castro regime collapses within a year of the opening of the first WalMart in Havana.
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Actually, it will take a couple of McDonalds as well.
 
Do Cubans in the US really want this? Seems like it is just an invention to say "Refugee status is over. Pack your bags."
 
Dittohead not! said:
Our own government seizes American's property with impunity, but then, that's another issue. So, how long should we wait to recognize Cuba? It's been 54 years now. Is 60 years long enough? A hundred? When?
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When it benefits us to change it, that's when. Are we going to start sending them foreign aid now? What's the upside in this, really?
 
Well it was nice knowing you Cuba.

American business ruins everything.
 
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