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U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

The embargo has been in place since 1960. It has failed.

Will giving the totalitarian Cuban gov't more money, recognition and power help to reverse its failure to allow basic human rights?
 
It was a backhanded poke at those concerned about dealing with a "COMMUNIST!!!@@!!" country like Cuba. We have normalized relations, and free and open economic relations, with FAR worse and no one bats an eye.

Oh, I knew exactly what you were doing. It's just that this is about Cuba. Saudi Arabia is not just off our shores and never had nukes pointed at us. Different country, different circumstances, different policy.
 
Oh, I knew exactly what you were doing. It's just that this is about Cuba. Saudi Arabia is not just off our shores and never had nukes pointed at us. Different country, different circumstances, different policy.

Five and a half decades ago.
 
Oh, I knew exactly what you were doing. It's just that this is about Cuba. Saudi Arabia is not just off our shores and never had nukes pointed at us. Different country, different circumstances, different policy.

Never had nukes pointed at us, they just fund terrorist attacks against us. I see your point - big difference.

But besides that, maybe it's too bad for the Castro brothers they're not sitting on a bunch of oil. Presumably we'd patch over any ideological differences and pesky issues like human rights and funding those who attack us so long as they 'partnered' with U.S. companies to get it out of the ground...
 
Will giving the totalitarian Cuban gov't more money, recognition and power help to reverse its failure to allow basic human rights?

That's the idea - that it's far harder for a totalitarian regime to maintain that system in the face of freer markets and engagement with free economies. And we haven't normalized relations - we've taken ONE step, with lots more carrots to hand out or not depending on what happens in Cuba.

But, again, hate to keep mentioning this, but 'Will continuing a policy that's failed for 55 years finally succeed in perhaps 60 years, or 75 years?"

If this was 1960 or 1970 and we could still hold out some hope we'd pressure them through economic means to change their ways, great. But it's 2014. We tried, that way failed. Maybe move on to something different? RADICAL IDEA!!!
 
This is great, 54 years of sanctions/embargo has done nothing, its time to stop this insanity. If we can do business with
china, we certainly can do business with cuba.

Way to go President Obama

Yes, it has done something and continues to do something. It has starved a communist nation that once would have allowed itself to be a forward staging area for our enemies and has kept it from becoming so. This is a mistake.
 
It has held Cuba in control perfectly.

I suppose - 'held Cuba in control' is a sort of vague accomplishment - what would the world look like if a tiny country like Cuba was not "in control?" But OK, a poor country has not gotten out of control.

But that can't be the goal, and in fact someone quoted the goals of some of the legislation and it was to foster democracy, human rights, etc.
 
Yes, it has done something and continues to do something. It has starved a communist nation that once would have allowed itself to be a forward staging area for our enemies and has kept it from becoming so. This is a mistake.

The embargo can't have prevented Cuba from becoming a staging area for nukes or something. Starving it would make it more likely they'd agree to play that role. What kept them from housing nukes or whatever is the U.S. military, not being cut off from Levis, Ford and Coca Cola.
 
Well, if Clinton validated it, then we dare not change it, right? He was, after all, a paragon of rectitude.

Sure it could be changed. Sure we can just forget all that anyone does, Right. Even if they are were acting against us and even in killing Americans, Right? Just give that a pass to. Do you like playing Mr Rogers with an enemy?

I mean afterall. The civilian Americans killed by Cuba.....was on that Democrat's watch. Notice how nothing came of it. How that usually happens when Democrats are in power. Why do you think that is?

Is there some reason you keep forgetting what makes up their inherent flaws on Purpose?
 
Yes, and it's so different now. Those leaders back then, not the same as the ones... oops, check that. Yep, same guy.

yeah, and don't those guys still torture people? I thought liberals were against that. but Obama says it's ok so........
 
Yes, and it's so different now. Those leaders back then, not the same as the ones... oops, check that. Yep, same guy.

Um, yeah, things are much different now.

The Cold War has been over for more than 20 years, yet some insist on continuing to fight it. Reminds me of the stories of shipwrecked Japanese sailors who were rescued decades after WWII but refused to believe the war had ended.
 
It's not as if the elite of the US haven't been going to Cuba anyways for years.
 
The embargo can't have prevented Cuba from becoming a staging area for nukes or something. Starving it would make it more likely they'd agree to play that role. What kept them from housing nukes or whatever is the U.S. military, not being cut off from Levis, Ford and Coca Cola.

It certainly has. And levis aren't even made in the US.
 
Um, yeah, things are much different now.

The Cold War has been over for more than 20 years, yet some insist on continuing to fight it. Reminds me of the stories of shipwrecked Japanese sailors who were rescued decades after WWII but refused to believe the war had ended.

Not to mention the people who say "The South will rise again!"
 
Yes, and it's so different now. Those leaders back then, not the same as the ones... oops, check that. Yep, same guy.

Heya Anthony. :2wave: Yeah and how many killed for opposing the Castro's? What 2 Generations of Cubans that have gone to the Wall and killed in the thousands?

Refugees machined gunned down off the Coast.

3 decades wherein Cuba provided troops to advance communist revolutions in Africa, the Caribbean, and Central America. But for some reason the temperamental leftists didn't see this as part of the Cold War. Now you know why they don't know **** when it comes to Foreign Policy. Especially with those from the Left we have hanging here.


The Bottomline.....BO peep is calling the Castros the legitimate government of Cuba. This is the Admission he is making.

Note how that all goes in line with what he had to say about Assad in Syria. Or why he involved us with taking out Qadhafi in Libya. Hows the Feckless Hypocrit looking now!!!!!
 
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Will giving the totalitarian Cuban gov't more money, recognition and power help to reverse its failure to allow basic human rights?

Oh Sure Ttwtt :2wave: You know with this cream of the crop of lefties. Its all Kumbaya and emphasizing with the enemy.
 
Oh Sure Ttwtt :2wave: You know with this cream of the crop of lefties. Its all Kumbaya and emphasizing with the enemy.

"Emphasizing"?

You know the righties have gone off the "with us or against us" deep end when they are champing at the bit to keep putting the screws to CUBA for no reason other than retribution for the Cold War.
 
The embargo can't have prevented Cuba from becoming a staging area for nukes or something. Starving it would make it more likely they'd agree to play that role. What kept them from housing nukes or whatever is the U.S. military, not being cut off from Levis, Ford and Coca Cola.



Did isolating Cuba help to bring down the Soviet Union.....who had to carry Cuba on its back the entire time while paying inflated Sugar prices to Cuba?


How did those Communist Revolutions in Africa work out, you know the ones where the Cubans sent troops?
 
"Emphasizing"?

You know the righties have gone off the "with us or against us" deep end when they are champing at the bit to keep putting the screws to CUBA for no reason other than retribution for the Cold War.

Emphasizing, empathy, sympathy... eh wtf? They all mean the same thing.
 
Yes, it has done something and continues to do something. It has starved a communist nation that once would have allowed itself to be a forward staging area for our enemies and has kept it from becoming so. This is a mistake.

A staging area for our enemies? Really? :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
"Emphasizing"?

You know the righties have gone off the "with us or against us" deep end when they are champing at the bit to keep putting the screws to CUBA for no reason other than retribution for the Cold War.


Nah not at all. Going off the deep end is how you trivialize all those that died for Freedom and Democracy in Cuba. Especially all those tortured and executed. But then this isn't surprising knowing that temperament of weakness defined.
 
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