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U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

Anthony60 said:
Then, I guess, we are all extreme. At least in your erroneous judgement.
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I see the right-wing nuts angry that the Cuban people will now have some relief from this ridiculous embargo. Typical asshole behavior.
 
MMC said:
Heya Moot.
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Yeah he promised change......and this may turn out to be a good thing. As the rest of his Foreign Policy is a considered to be a failure. But opening up relations doesn't mean Cuba is going to open up their Internet at this time.

Also, why would Rubio agree it will lift them economically but then say it will do nothing for human rights and Democracy in Cuba?
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Because he thinks it will secure him votes out of Miami. That's the only reason he is vomitting the garbage he is.
 
Roadvirus said:
The Sith Lord thinks he can do whatever he wants & whenever.
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Hey Roadvirus, it appears that way. Whatever he can't get through Congress, he has his pen ready for an E.O.. Have you read the Declaration of Independence lately? King George and Obama have a lot in common. Cheers and Merry Christmas!
 
MMC said:
So Rubio doesn't know what he is talking about. Probably due to him being Republican Right? Now what about Menendez? Are you going to say he doesn't know what he is talking about when BO peep went around his back on this issue too? Did you note that part about Menendez the Democrat telling Corker the Republican to hold Hearings on this matter.
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Rubio and Menendez are malcontents who bring nothing to the table on this issue.

MMC said:
You are making more out of Burma than whats actually there.
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The pardoning and release of thousands of political prisoners, allowing prominent opposition activists to return from exile, reducing internet censorship, eliminating media censorship boards, passing new labor laws including better wages and workers rights, etc. are all examples of the significant reforms brought about in Burma because of the diplomatic skill of this Administration.
 
CanadaJohn said:
What's childish is Obama's way of governing. If you can't see his petulance or choose to ignore it, that's on you not me.
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You aren't getting your way so you call the president petulant? Priceless!
 
Anthony60 said:
Don't hold your breath for a pro Obama rant, he is the one perpetrating this mistake.

They are a totalitarian regime. Political prisoners. State sponsor of terrorism. Oppressive, communist dictatorship. And we should ignore that and just open an embassy in Havana? Are you kidding? I see no upside. What upside are you seeing? And don't tell me that if we are nice to them they will change. And we get what in return?
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Perhaps if 19 Cubans hijack planes and kill thousands of Americans we could have normalized relations with them then...
 
About time... the embargoes and sanctions have done nothing other than to hurt the people... who then flee to the USA.
 
Anthony60 said:
So, we should trade with them because other countries do? The Castros are near the end of their lives, we have been embargoing them for 50 plus years. Why on Earth would we throw that away now, instead of letting them die off and giving the new leaders a choice to lighten up and be a freer country?

And again, what is the upside, you didn't put one in your response.
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How about the upside is that a friendly neighbor you trade with won't ever desire to house Russian nuclear missiles pointing at us juuuuuuust off our coast? I dunno... Just spit balling here.
 
Erod said:
Once again, Obama has caved to an enemy and gotten absolutely nothing in return.

You could buy a Cadillac from this guy for bag of Funyuns and a 40-ounce.

This thread is hilarious. It's like a big, Communist group hug. The Cubans here in the states are mortified.
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What's really cool about this thread is how its drawing a distinctive line between conservatives who think and then usual conservative hacks who have nothing to say other than... "I hate obama" as their every post. Don't you agree?
 
Anthony60 said:
Gee, what an upside. Trade with Cuba. Big deal. Who do you think will benefit from that? The people, or their dictators and army? Is that worth it? That's a hard decision?

And tell me, what did we get back? More freedoms for the Cuban people? Opening up the country? Maybe cut back on the human rights violations? I thought Obama and the left were oh so concerned about torture and treating people well. But now Obama will overlook that in Cuba's case?

There is no upside. That is why every President kept the embargo going. We never had one this clueless in office before. The Castros must be laughing at us.

"What, the U.S. is lifting the embargo? Oh, no! What did we have to give up for that? HUH? NOTHING? LOL!"
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Your hate.... It consumes you. Your journey to the dark side is nearly complete.
 
Anthony60 said:
Don't hold your breath for a pro Obama rant, he is the one perpetrating this mistake.

They are a totalitarian regime. Political prisoners. State sponsor of terrorism. Oppressive, communist dictatorship. And we should ignore that and just open an embassy in Havana? Are you kidding? I see no upside. What upside are you seeing? And don't tell me that if we are nice to them they will change. And we get what in return?
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How many years do we give the sanctions? It's already been 55. Go for an even 100?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Then, why doesn't the Congress stand up on its hind legs and put an end to this authoritarian rule? Has it really become so dysfunctional, so limp wristed, so impotent that a president can simply take over both branches of government?

Why don't our elected representatives address the issue of Cuba? Of illegal immigration? of health care? of anything at all? It's seriously time for a revolution at the ballot box in which we throw the rascals out and start over.
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Dude its gonna have to be a whole constitutional rewrite to fix it. A constitution that creates a government that represents people BEFORE it represents money.
 
Erod said:
Cuba is, and has been, controlled. The sanctions work beautifully.

And Cuba has not agreed to free elections, free press, free speech, free travel, or free anything for their citizens. So why are we doing this? We just traded three known spies for a plumber.
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Here's what I see - the Communist countries that we had diplomatic relations with: Russia, E Germany, Poland...not communist anymore. The ones we cut off like Cuba and North Korea are. So which strategy would you say has been more successful?
 
Bodhisattva said:
About time... the embargoes and sanctions have done nothing other than to hurt the people... who then flee to the USA.
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First off Obama does not have authority to wave a magic wand and change everything even though he wished he did.
Second, the most number fleeing Cuba and ending up on our shores was directly related to when Castro's regime took power.
Third.....so you think it is about time these sanctions/embargos were lifted when they haven't been completely because Obama doesn't have such powers.
Let me add a fourth. which shows you like most don't know what the Hell they are talking about and are reacting solely on emotion..
What it also shows however, the number of morons among us, who have no clue. Who have no history that relates to Cuba. Who like to claim they are the sharpest pencils in the box but are actually full of crap.

It is people like you who does not question the motives or the constitutionality for Obama to make such an E.O. Oh no, you aren't interested in the details ....you could care less. why? because you are a Big Government kind of guy. Right?
 
Grant said:
In order to recommence diplomatic relations with Cuba Obama might have done some negotiating on the human rights issue, for example. Apparently this was not done.
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Just gonna pose a quick note here.... Ain't it funny that the pro human rights in Cuba folk in this thread tend to also be the pro torture people in another thread? Interesting, no?
 
Rials6 said:
If he is trampling on the constitution or breaking laws why aren't republicans doing anything about it? Because he's not. Your just repeating what you've heard on tv with no actual facts. He's a constitutional scholar so I'm sure he knows how far he can go with out breaking any laws. And what do you mean whatever he can't get threw congress? Congress doesn't vote on anything. Lmao!
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I don't know that I'd say he isn't, but I think the Republicans are willing to look the other way because one of their guys will be living in the White House in a little more than 2 years.
 
poweRob said:
Just gonna pose a quick note here.... Ain't it funny that the pro human rights in Cuba folk in this thread tend to also be the pro torture people in another thread? Interesting, no?
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Look who you replied to. If Obama had negotiated for human rights, he'd criticize Obama for that.

Of course, it's very hard to negotiate with people that you're not even talking to. That's the other side of that argument.
 
Rials6 said:
I'm waiting impatiently for this new house and Senate. Let's talk approval ratings then. You wanted it so bad,well you got it. I feel like it will guarantee a dem presidency in 2016. Go Cruz!
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I agree. I wish they had the balls to remove the filibuster. Then they'd own 100% of everything coming out of the legislature.
 
vesper said:
First off Obama does not have authority to wave a magic wand and change everything even though he wished he did.
Second, the most number fleeing Cuba and ending up on our shores was directly related to when Castro's regime took power.
Third.....so you think it is about time these sanctions/embargos were lifted when they haven't been completely because Obama doesn't have such powers.
Let me add a fourth. which shows you like most don't know what the Hell they are talking about and are reacting solely on emotion..
What it also shows however, the number of morons among us, who have no clue. Who have no history that relates to Cuba. Who like to claim they are the sharpest pencils in the box but are actually full of crap.
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Are you on your period? Seriously... WTF? :lol:

It is people like you who does not question the motives or the constitutionality for Obama to make such an E.O. Oh no, you aren't interested in the details ....you could care less. why? because you are a Big Government kind of guy. Right?
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I am about as anti-Obama as a reasonable person can be and want much smaller government... but don't let those facts stop your hormone driven rage. :mrgreen:
 
Bodhisattva said:
Are you on your period? Seriously... WTF? :lol:
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I was just thinking the same thing about you and others who have responded in this thread. You all remind me of my girlfriends on the rag during the month. Their perspective is tainted by emotion and lacks logical thought void of rational thinking.
 
vesper said:
I was just thinking the same thing about you and others who have responded in this thread. You all remind me of my girlfriends on the rag during the month. Their perspective is tainted by emotion and not logical thought void of rational thinking.
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I make a general statement about the sanctions not working, you come in like a fool blasting at me and I am on the rag? :lol:

Run along little one... the playground is calling your name. vesper
 
Bodhisattva said:
I make a general statement about the sanctions not working, you come in like a fool blasting at me and I am on the rag? :lol:

Run along little one... the playground is calling your name. vesper
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For the love of Pete. Just a few comments above you asked me if I was on my period in response to a post. And now you want to claim you were making a general statement? Stick a sock in it. You have been had.
 
vesper said:
For the love of Pete. Just a few comments above you asked me if I was on my period in response to a post. And now you want to claim you were making a general statement? Stick a sock in it. You have been had.
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Are you delusional to boot? Lets go over this r.e.a.l.l.y. s.l.o.w.l.y.

I made a general comment about it being good that the sanctions are ending.
YOU came in guns blazing about who the **** knows what and worse... who the **** knows why, to me and about me.
I THEN say, gee darlin', you on your period?
And NOW you think that I am claiming that my general comment was about the period comment?

Lady, you have some issues...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Are you delusional to boot? Lets go over this r.e.a.l.l.y. s.l.o.w.l.y.

I made a general comment about it being good that the sanctions are ending.
YOU came in guns blazing about who the **** knows what and worse... who the **** knows why, to me and about me.
I THEN say, gee darlin', you on your period?
And NOW you think that I am claiming that my general comment was about the period comment?

Lady, you have some issues...
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No. damn no. The posts are for all to view. I responded to your post gender free. You brought gender into the conversation when you could not justify your big government stance. You are the one who brought up gender as if that has something to do with my claim.
 
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