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U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years

ocean515 said:
There is a possibility the value would go down. Demand would certainly go up, which would put upward pressure on pricing for the finest brands. Lower quality labels would likely step in to market to the less discriminating.

At this point, the only real value of Cuba is tourism, so I suppose developers could show some interest. As to Obama and the 1% crowd, his future is already secure, the package wrapped and marketed, so it can't be that.
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How do you figure that? (Not to change the subject)
 
Fearandloathing said:
No. No. Go the other way.

As my late wife used to say "it's OK to look, but remember you're taking it out on me."

As long as only your eyes stray, you're cool.
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Agreed. Imagination is a gift, as long as you realize that the imagining is the gift.
 
tjm0817 said:
Nothing says "freedom" like keeping American citizens from traveling wherever they want to travel.
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In 2011, the travel rules were amended to allow all Americans to visit Cuba as long as they are taking part in a "people-to-people" tour.
 
vesper said:
I oppose it because of how it was done. Another Obama E.O. then turns around and wants Congress to make it permanent. Also Obama was disingenuous with his remarks.
Marco Rubio said the U.S. and Cuba were moving toward normalized banking and trade ties. He also said the U.S. was poised to open an embassy in Havana in the coming months.

"This is going to do absolutely nothing to further human rights and democracy in Cuba," Rubio said in an interview. "But it potentially goes a long way in providing the economic lift that the Castro regime needs to become permanent fixtures in Cuba for generations to come."

He's right. The people won't benefit from this. They will still be issued their allotted bags of beans and rice while the government gets rich.

It seems like every week from Obama we get a new E.O. dramatically changing just about anything. One week it is writing legislation from the WH on Obamacare. Another week it is making his own appointees avoiding the confirmation process in Congress. Another week it is granting amnesty and changing immigration laws. Another was to give the EPA power to advance Cap-n-Trade ..... decision based upon his goals and wishes that fit into the UN's plan of their international global warming carbon taxing agenda. And now this!

An abuse of executive power I have never seen the likes of in my lifetime. A constitutional crisis in the making.
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Yeah, but no politician criticizes human right abuses in Saudi Arabia.

This was long overdue, and Marco is just being a wanker.
 
The embargo has accomplished nothing in the last decade or two. Rampant commercialization and tourist traps won't make things any worse. (shrug)
 
Best tweet:

"It is crucial that we do not abandon the Cuban embargo, given its obvious success in ousting the communist regime"
 
jet57 said:
How do you figure that? (Not to change the subject)
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Former President, many years of work life ahead, global contacts, One World Order creditials. He's set, the package is already assembled.
 
Fearandloathing said:
No. No. Go the other way.

As my late wife used to say "it's OK to look, but remember you're taking it out on me."

As long as only your eyes stray, you're cool.
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"Just because you're on a diet doesn't mean you can't look at the menu."
 
ocean515 said:
Former President, many years of work life ahead, global contacts, One World Order creditials. He's set, the package is already assembled.
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Hyperbolic blather
 
ocean515 said:
Former President, many years of work life ahead, global contacts, One World Order creditials. He's set, the package is already assembled.
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Naahhh.

Anyway; how do you think that the Cuban people will react to this? Moreover, what do think Castro will say? His brother will do the bidding I'm sure.
 
jet57 said:
Naahhh.

Anyway; how do you think that the Cuban people will react to this? Moreover, what do think Castro will say? His brother will do the bidding I'm sure.
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I think they will believe anything would be better than what Socialism, or whatever you want to call the politics of Cuba, has done to them.
 
vesper said:
I oppose it because of how it was done. Another Obama E.O. then turns around and wants Congress to make it permanent. Also Obama was disingenuous with his remarks.
Marco Rubio said the U.S. and Cuba were moving toward normalized banking and trade ties. He also said the U.S. was poised to open an embassy in Havana in the coming months.

"This is going to do absolutely nothing to further human rights and democracy in Cuba," Rubio said in an interview. "But it potentially goes a long way in providing the economic lift that the Castro regime needs to become permanent fixtures in Cuba for generations to come."

He's right. The people won't benefit from this. They will still be issued their allotted bags of beans and rice while the government gets rich.

It seems like every week from Obama we get a new E.O. dramatically changing just about anything. One week it is writing legislation from the WH on Obamacare. Another week it is making his own appointees avoiding the confirmation process in Congress. Another week it is granting amnesty and changing immigration laws. Another was to give the EPA power to advance Cap-n-Trade ..... decision based upon his goals and wishes that fit into the UN's plan of their international global warming carbon taxing agenda. And now this!

An abuse of executive power I have never seen the likes of in my lifetime. A constitutional crisis in the making.
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Well, he did promise 'change'.

But you're wrong, the people of Cuba will likely benefit a lot from the new changes. For one thing, Cubans will have more access to the internet and maybe even start doing more trade with the US. Their relatives in the US will also be able to send them more money. The US will also be opening a new embassy in Havana which will help normalize diplomatic relations and bring about mutual cooperation in many areas such as healthcare, immigration and fighting ebola. What isn't changing, at least not right away is the restrictions on US tourism. Only congress can change that. Which begs the question, why are US citizens less free to travel?
 
ocean515 said:
Ok. Don't be so hard on yourself, let others judge what you have written before you warn them what is coming.
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Wow, such a cutting edge retort....I'm really wounded by your complete lack of original wit./sarcasm off
 
Fantastic, now we can poison them with Mcdonald's, High Fructose corn syrup, Professional wrestling and Monster truck pulls.
 
jet57 said:
Naahhh.

Anyway; how do you think that the Cuban people will react to this? Moreover, what do think Castro will say? His brother will do the bidding I'm sure.
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How do you think they'll react to it? That's a big discussion going on now. I'm curious myself. Some people say they won't react well. Others say they will. I heard Bret Baier say it's like 1950 in Cuba.

Castro...hmmmm....that should be interesting.
 
beefheart said:
Long overdue! Embargo was much too long! Heck, the embargo on Vietnam ended years ago...and if you can, go visit the county, it is amazing.

I'd love to go scuba in Cuba....
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My husband and I go to Jamaica every few years with friends, and when we fly over Cuba I love to look down on it. It looks like an amazingly beautiful country.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Why be on a diet?

Marry the right woman, treat her right [semi-goddess worked for me] and you have everything.
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It was just another way of saying what your late wife used to say...."it's OK to look, but remember you're taking it out on me".
 
Moot said:
Well, he did promise 'change'.

But you're wrong, the people of Cuba will likely benefit a lot from the new changes. For one thing, Cubans will have more access to the internet and maybe even start doing more trade with the US. Their relatives in the US will also be able to send them more money. The US will also be opening a new embassy in Havana which will help normalize diplomatic relations and bring about mutual cooperation in many areas such as healthcare, immigration and fighting ebola. What isn't changing, at least not right away is the restrictions on US tourism. Only congress can change that. Which begs the question, why are US citizens less free to travel?
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Heya Moot.
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Yeah he promised change......and this may turn out to be a good thing. As the rest of his Foreign Policy is a considered to be a failure. But opening up relations doesn't mean Cuba is going to open up their Internet at this time.

Also, why would Rubio agree it will lift them economically but then say it will do nothing for human rights and Democracy in Cuba?
 
U.S., Cuba to restore diplomatic relations after 50 years
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good. should have done this a while back.
 
beefheart said:
Wow, such a cutting edge retort....I'm really wounded by your complete lack of original wit./sarcasm off
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Amazing. I had exactly the same thought when I read your original reply to me, so I unhooked my brain to reply in order to achieve the same level of accomplishment. It seems it worked!! :2dancing:
 
tres borrachos said:
My husband and I go to Jamaica every few years with friends, and when we fly over Cuba I love to look down on it. It looks like an amazingly beautiful country.
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I have a buddy with a dive shop in Dominican Republic.. I really need to get there. I can already go to Cuba with my other passport, and I can fly to Cancun for free, then hop a short flight over....so many other places I want to see first, I finally have some good vacation time built up, need to plan a big trip soon.
 
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